Private Drive Sign

[clemsonfor]

OK, here are links to the videos.

The first video is from a camera about 225 feet from the gate and the gate is 12 feet wide.

Security cam video 1 - Tractor Videos - Kubota, John Deere, New Holland and More
Security cam video 2 - Tractor Videos - Kubota, John Deere, New Holland and More
Security cam video 3 - Tractor Videos - Kubota, John Deere, New Holland and More

That makes you want to kill or beat the ***** of of that sorry *** looser. He probly so ld that chian saw for $25-50 too. It would not pay to catch someone like that in the process, cause id prolly end up sued or in jail, due to the sorry nature of courts not allowing you to hardly protect your property or stuff, and sticking up for the guy doing the ILLEGAL activity on YOUR property.

 

[Travelover]

Slightly off topic, but can you combine multiple frames from a video into one high quality image of a face or license plate? That would be slick.

 

[RoadHogg]

Oh there have also been times where I park half on the old discontinued road making it a bit tough to get by, after all it is my property and I pay taxes on it! I have calmed down over the years and if we see two or three unkown cars a month it is a high number, but I still get a bit upset over it.

I like the parking idea. What's so bad about a parking ticket...that's about the worst they could do to you. Buy the biggest huge old truck you can find and park it smack in the middle of the road with the hood up. Claim, "It just broke down." if someone complains.

 

[RoadHogg]

That makes you want to kill or beat the ***** of of that sorry *** looser. He probly so ld that chian saw for $25-50 too. It would not pay to catch someone like that in the process, cause id prolly end up sued or in jail, due to the sorry nature of courts not allowing you to hardly protect your property or stuff, and sticking up for the guy doing the ILLEGAL activity on YOUR property.

I can't disagree with your sentiments here, however, what I, and probably others, need to remember is, there's a HUGE difference between stealing and destroying "things" and hurting or killing "people". Even though we feel like doing a thief harm because of their invasion and disrespect, if it's only stuff they are taking or wrecking, hurting or killing someone over it simply isn't right.

 

[beppington]

We purchased land on a discontinued road. ...

If it's not paved, why don't you just make it really, really bumpy?

 

[EarPlug]

Well, this past year we have a fellow named Ward Bird that held out his pistol to get someone to leave his property and is now serving 3 - 6 years in Prison for his actions. He was convected of criminal threatening and the state supreme court up held the ruling. I am sure there is more to the story than he just held up his gun to the woman, but really she was lost and way off from the town maintained roadways.

Man's Prison Sentence Sparks Anger In Community - New Hampshire News Story - WMUR Manchester

Bottom line is I guess, be careful on how you handle those trespassers and also what you say to them, courts are not overly protective of land owners.

Earlier this year in Colorado we had a case where a homeowner confronted a Sheriff's Deputy and 2 Social Service workers who came on his posted "No Trespassing" property. He was armed with a shotgun and ordered them to leave. They did but he was later arrested for and charged with one count of felony assault on a police officer and two county of felony menacing on the two social services case workers.

He was later acquitted on all charges! The Judge says that even Law Enforcement MUST obey No Trespassing signs. A very interesting case to say the least. Read more about it here - Rural Justice (read from the bottom up)

Jack

 

[jonyyuma]

Now if I don't have up a no-trespassing sign, will i be in danger of be arrested for wearing my permited pistol while i working on my tractor at my homesite? BTW Why do Jehovas people keep coming back? Jy.

 

[HeyNow]

Now if I don't have up a no-trespassing sign, will i be in danger of be arrested for wearing my permited pistol while i working on my tractor at my homesite? BTW Why do Jehovas people keep coming back? Jy.

For the challenge...

 

[WayneB]

If it's not paved, why don't you just make it really, really bumpy?

I maybe got carried away with the road issue in this posting, mainly I was pointing out to be careful with what one thinks is his or her rights.

As for the road it is basically the same way it was when we bought the property and will remain that way as long as I own both sides of the land it runs through.

I for one always felt you had a right to protect your property, after all we do live in "Live Free or Die" New Hampshire. But, the fact of the matter is there are laws and everyone has to live within them.

 

[F1520]

We purchased land on a discontinued road....

I thought Vermont was the only state engaged in the "ancient roads" idiocy.

I thought that when a road was officially discontinued, it no longer existed. If the road no longer exists, the old roadbed then reverts to private property, and anyone who traverses it is trespassing.

I'm with beppington... make that "road" look like the surface of the moon!

 

[merrickvilleguy]

I think map sites like Google Earth and Bing is also a cause for concern. Many of these people driving your road may have cased out the place beforehand online...and may already have an idea of what is on your property. It's scary thinking about it. People don't honor signs and our privacy has been posted online for everybody to see...

Anything posted on google maps is visible from the road (or orbit at very low resolution) ... it isn't private, add on the refresh rate of the images, I wouldn't worry about people using it to case your place.

That being said here is a bit of useful information for the paranoid among us:

• farmers have tractors, implements and equipment
• cottagers have boats/atvs/snowmobiles/etc and are rarely around to notice them missing
• rural folks have few neighbours to see whats going on making it easy to get away with thefts

I bet those 3 points are common to most of us, and thats without knowing a damned thing about you. A thief doesn't come to steal your kubota b class tractor ... he comes to steal your tractor ... the fact that you are a farmer makes it a near sure bet you have one ... and thats without casing your home

 

[YesDeere]

if it's only stuff they are taking or wrecking, hurting or killing someone over it simply isn't right.

If someone takes my "stuff" I should just let them go??? Wow. Maybe make him a sandwich for the road. Not trying to pick on you RH but come on. Someone willing to do these things have never been taught a lesson. I know when I was a kid and took something I wasn't supposed to I got smacked. Obviously the law rarely teaches a lesson and this persons parents didn't either. Sometimes a solid as* whippin is the answer. Called an attitude adjustment.

 

[CompactTractorFan]

BTW Why do Jehovas people keep coming back? Jy.

They don't come here...anymore...

 

[WayneB]

I thought Vermont was the only state engaged in the "ancient roads" idiocy.

I thought that when a road was officially discontinued, it no longer existed. If the road no longer exists, the old roadbed then reverts to private property, and anyone who traverses it is trespassing.

I'm with beppington... make that "road" look like the surface of the moon!

With most roads that are discontinued the land returns to the abutters. If there are two owners on each side of the road then the road is divided in the center and each landowner owns to the center of the old road. Way back when they were discontinuing roads there was also a statement placed in the closing regarding the land being returned to the abutters and also abutters had a right to ingress and egress on the old road way to access the property. In our case we own both sides of the road for about 800 feet but there are other owners that can enter and use the road.

The roadway was used on a regular basis for more than twenty years prior to us buying the property. The judge determined that not only did the land owners have a right to use the land so did the entire public due to the fact it had always been available for use. Further more upon discontinuing the road it was not stated "subject to gates and bars?" This is one of the legal issues that most people can get caught up in and there is little or nothing one can do but go to court and spend large sums of money to attempt to win the case.

What seems so typical can turn to A-Typical in an instant! One just has to be extremely careful with what they say or do as you can end up in court very quickly

 

[nickel plate]

Called an attitude adjustment.

That phrase has several definitions. Mine dates back to the early seventies when annually attending an LMA (Lumber Merchant's Association) three day seminar at the Asilomar, near Monterey and Carmel, CA., that meant that the bar was open and on the house for an hour in the early evening before the next meeting. Loved it and hated it.

 

[nworcest]

It sounds as though you have a Class V road. You can petition the town/city council to convert it to a Class VI, or even "Full Discontinuance", or there is process at the annual town meeting.

See:
http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibrary/referencelibrary/c/classviroads/documents/chnrpcfactsheet.pdf

I've not been to a council or Town mtg for many years, but I recollect that it was a regular occurence.

Ned W.

With most roads that are discontinued the land returns to the abutters. If there are two owners on each side of the road then the road is divided in the center and each landowner owns to the center of the old road. Way back when they were discontinuing roads there was also a statement placed in the closing regarding the land being returned to the abutters and also abutters had a right to ingress and egress on the old road way to access the property. In our case we own both sides of the road for about 800 feet but there are other owners that can enter and use the road.

The roadway was used on a regular basis for more than twenty years prior to us buying the property. The judge determined that not only did the land owners have a right to use the land so did the entire public due to the fact it had always been available for use. Further more upon discontinuing the road it was not stated "subject to gates and bars?" This is one of the legal issues that most people can get caught up in and there is little or nothing one can do but go to court and spend large sums of money to attempt to win the case.

What seems so typical can turn to A-Typical in an instant! One just has to be extremely careful with what they say or do as you can end up in court very quickly

 

[dcyrilc]

Slightly off topic, but can you combine multiple frames from a video into one high quality image of a face or license plate? That would be slick.

I'm not sure what can actually be done, but I work for one of the local cities in the traffic signal shop and I make up fiberoptic cables for the bomb squad robot when needed. I gave these videos to one of our detectives to see what they could do with it. Our city has the best video enhancement software in the state and does work for other agencies when asked. They had no luck getting a plate off the video. It was great that they tried for me though. Sometimes it's nice having contacts.:thumbsup:

 

[Wis Bang]

You Dad is a better man than I am. My tractor tends to have mechanical issues if the job entails pulling the cops out of the mud.

My dad retired from the local municipality. He knew alot of cops.

Mom had a home sewing business; she sewed the stripes on this guy's boss's uniforms; he didn't get away w/ it! His later embarrassment made sure that his fellow officers didn't try and go that way & he smiled at dad every time he drove thru his speed trap..................

 

[WayneB]

It sounds as though you have a Class V road. You can petition the town/city council to convert it to a Class VI, or even "Full Discontinuance", or there is process at the annual town meeting.

See:
http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibrary/referencelibrary/c/classviroads/documents/chnrpcfactsheet.pdf

I've not been to a council or Town mtg for many years, but I recollect that it was a regular occurence.

Ned W.

So as not to take away from this main issue of the posting I sent you a PM regarding my issues.

Wayne

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Seems to me there are two totally different issues rattling around this thread regarding rights to use the road.

One is whether this is still a public easement that anyone can use, and the effect of the government's abandonment of the maintenance. A nine page outline for MO law can be found at: http://www.missourisurveyor.org/docs/OWN POSS 2010 MO.pdf

The other is whether the neighbors have a private easement to use the road.