Buying Advice Powerstar T4.75

[inane2]

Good morning guys. Newb here, been lurking for a while.

I'm currently in the market for a new tractor. I just sold my faithful New Holland TT75A (MFWD, Bush Hog FEL). Great, hard working tractor, did everything I asked it do to and then some. I'm just wanting a few more bells and whistles. I didn't anticipate my TT would sell as quick as it would, so I'm currently tractorless and that's fine for a few weeks.

While prepping my TT for sale, I decided on buying a new T4030 ROPS, MFWD and FEL. I found out there are a little hard to come by right now thanks to the Powerstar being "introduced". T4.75's started popping up at my local dealers and I think they look really sharp. However, they are all cab models with NH FEL's. I had never considered buying a cab model until now. My farm terrain would be pretty open to it, except right along fence rows. Plus, the AC would be nice for summer bush-hogging.

With that said, I sat in a cab T4030 and a cab T4.75. In my opinion, it's like night and day. The Powerstar beats the T4030 in every category (room, ergonomics, view, etc.) However, the T4030 can be bought much cheaper simply due to NH phasing them out.

While at the NFMS, I asked several NH reps about the ROPS T4.75 (they had 2 cab models there). They informed me that NH started building them in Turkey the first of February. One rep said expect late fall delivery and another told me April delivery. So, I may wind up with a cab because of the wait for a ROPS.

While reviewing the literature for the T4.75, I noticed it has a FIAT engine, the FC5 (not an Iveco). However, it has an internal EGR system. This is where my hesitation comes in. I work on diesel engines 40+ hours a week and believe me, I have seen the EGR woes that manufacturers (and owners) have experienced when first introducing EPA components in an engine, from Navistar all the way to Cummins. Couldn't find much info online about the FC5, but I'm guessing it's a new engine.

Are there any T4.75 owner's out there? There are about 6 Powerstars at local dealers around me and they've been there for about 4-5 weeks. There is not any real incentives on them right now other than 0% for 48.

I'm still debating the cab vs. ROPS but the availabilty may settle that for me ( I don't think I'd ever regret a cab, even if I can't bush-hog as close). I am going to splurge for Power Shuttle though. For what I want, it just seems like I stepped into the NH market at a akward time. I've always bled blue, but, for the first time, I'm also considering orange paint (M7040).

I did find this price list online :

http://wctractor.com/Price%20Lists/Price%20List%20POWERSTAR.pdf

I also found this order sheet from early 2011 :

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/maintenance/equipment/contracts/tractor_utility/2011/New%20Holland%20(CNH)/Powerstar%20Series.pdf

I know this post is about the T4.75, but one local dealer does have a T4.90, so if that's what you're looking for, they're out there!

I appreciate any comments, thanks!

 

[ohio farmer04]

look for one to local have one in stock see it and could not find it on lot it very busy year part sale my dealer sold out dec 2011 and new ower has two store prices 33.5000 /47,000 price list no deals i did not ower /sale person go back after part sale get price ! i do not need the loader all have on add 5,600 6,600 dealer 30 miles have two store to in stock list cab 4x4 12.x12 loader $47,000 to high i think think i can get one with no loader cab buddy seat 38,000 t0 $40,000 cash out door to my farm look at a case dealer same tractor in red and get prices to
tractor house .com T4030 with cab good tractor will cheaper if get one

what prices you got?

 

[ohio farmer04]

read power star borad on here to

 

[inane2]

Hello!

I haven't actually got down to pricing on the tractors. I'm using that price list I attached in the original thread to give me an idea on the T4.75. NH's programs on the T4030 are much better than on the T4.75. Just like a new vehicle, they dont' have to offer much on a new model.

I read the entire thead on here concerning the PowerStar line. Seems like this has been an ongoing issue with this series.

 

[jdbnh]

well the only real issue NH has had with powerstar was just the date they kept saying they would come out kept getting pushed back, but finally they are here!! great tractors, great response from customers so far too. the reason the release date was pushed back was jsut to make sure the tractors quality was up to standrds especially since it is a new model.

You said you saw a T4.90? as a dealer i am wondering how that is possible because all the 90 and 100 dealers had on order from teh start where cancelled becuase the TIer 4 requirement is so close for those models, NH decided to wait and put the Tier4 emissions requirments on those models and then we all will reorder.

 

[jdbnh]

alos, if you have any more thoughts or questions on the T4 jsut let me know or pm me.

 

[foreman Etexas]

Good morning guys. Newb here, been lurking for a while.

I'm currently in the market for a new tractor. I just sold my faithful New Holland TT75A (MFWD, Bush Hog FEL). Great, hard working tractor, did everything I asked it do to and then some. I'm just wanting a few more bells and whistles. I didn't anticipate my TT would sell as quick as it would, so I'm currently tractorless and that's fine for a few weeks.

While prepping my TT for sale, I decided on buying a new T4030 ROPS, MFWD and FEL. I found out there are a little hard to come by right now thanks to the Powerstar being "introduced". T4.75's started popping up at my local dealers and I think they look really sharp. However, they are all cab models with NH FEL's. I had never considered buying a cab model until now. My farm terrain would be pretty open to it, except right along fence rows. Plus, the AC would be nice for summer bush-hogging.

With that said, I sat in a cab T4030 and a cab T4.75. In my opinion, it's like night and day. The Powerstar beats the T4030 in every category (room, ergonomics, view, etc.) However, the T4030 can be bought much cheaper simply due to NH phasing them out.

While at the NFMS, I asked several NH reps about the ROPS T4.75 (they had 2 cab models there). They informed me that NH started building them in Turkey the first of February. One rep said expect late fall delivery and another told me April delivery. So, I may wind up with a cab because of the wait for a ROPS.

While reviewing the literature for the T4.75, I noticed it has a FIAT engine, the FC5 (not an Iveco). However, it has an internal EGR system. This is where my hesitation comes in. I work on diesel engines 40+ hours a week and believe me, I have seen the EGR woes that manufacturers (and owners) have experienced when first introducing EPA components in an engine, from Navistar all the way to Cummins. Couldn't find much info online about the FC5, but I'm guessing it's a new engine.

Are there any T4.75 owner's out there? There are about 6 Powerstars at local dealers around me and they've been there for about 4-5 weeks. There is not any real incentives on them right now other than 0% for 48.

I'm still debating the cab vs. ROPS but the availabilty may settle that for me ( I don't think I'd ever regret a cab, even if I can't bush-hog as close). I am going to splurge for Power Shuttle though. For what I want, it just seems like I stepped into the NH market at a akward time. I've always bled blue, but, for the first time, I'm also considering orange paint (M7040).

I did find this price list online :

http://wctractor.com/Price%20Lists/Price%20List%20POWERSTAR.pdf

I also found this order sheet from early 2011 :

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/maintenance/equipment/contracts/tractor_utility/2011/New%20Holland%20(CNH)/Powerstar%20Series.pdf

I know this post is about the T4.75, but one local dealer does have a T4.90, so if that's what you're looking for, they're out there!

I appreciate any comments, thanks!

We have also looked at the price of the new powerstar(well wife did) the only thing she wonted was the buddy seat but we can get an M8540 kubota(0%-60MNTHS) for the price we would spend on the 4.75.(42,000) The place were you got the prices on-line is were she stopped in and looked at them WCT in bryan,tx.

 

[downslope]

...While reviewing the literature for the T4.75, I noticed it has a FIAT engine, the FC5 (not an Iveco). However, it has an internal EGR system. This is where my hesitation comes in. I work on diesel engines 40+ hours a week and believe me, I have seen the EGR woes that manufacturers (and owners) have experienced when first introducing EPA components in an engine, from Navistar all the way to Cummins...

Can you or some of the others reading along explain a little to us about the internal EGR and the problems these have caused? Is the T4.75 what's called a Tier 3 engine? Do you know why is it on the big Case/NH tractors they are using the Exhaust Fluid and that seems to work OK? Would the ones with the exhaust fluid be meeting Tier 4 specs and not have EGR? I assume the smaller tractors like the Workmaster are made in Turkey and have the EGR engines also? Sorry for all the questions but I've been thinking of purchasing a small Workmaster or A series, so if they have EGR that has the potential for problems I might have to think twice. Does Kubota use EGR on tractors this size? I have a TD with a Tier 2 Iveco and like it, no problems so far, but it weems that a lot of things are changing.

 

[jdbnh]

Can you or some of the others reading along explain a little to us about the internal EGR and the problems these have caused? Is the T4.75 what's called a Tier 3 engine? Do you know why is it on the big Case/NH tractors they are using the Exhaust Fluid and that seems to work OK? Would the ones with the exhaust fluid be meeting Tier 4 specs and not have EGR? I assume the smaller tractors like the Workmaster are made in Turkey and have the EGR engines also? Sorry for all the questions but I've been thinking of purchasing a small Workmaster or A series, so if they have EGR that has the potential for problems I might have to think twice. Does Kubota use EGR on tractors this size? I have a TD with a Tier 2 Iveco and like it, no problems so far, but it weems that a lot of things are changing.

the tractors that have the DEF fluid are tractors that you want to have moer power, run cooler, and have the best fule economy possible because these are high horsepower tractors and run all day long.....the smaller hp tractors that will have the EGR system are in the utility line up of tractors. they arent a high hp engine and the filter system will work just fine. Put this filter system in the High Hp tractors though and you will have issues, this is a WHOLE nother thread and i wont go into that part of it........right now and probably until at least 2013, tractors like the work master and smaller will not have any kind of new exhaust system. eventually they will but not yet. at the moment everythign over 175 hp has the DEF fluid. they are also starting to do it on about 115hp tractors and up. some models below this hp they are starting to implement the EGR liek in the Powerstar T4.90 and 100 we will see later this year.

the DEf fluid is the change from tier 3 up to tier 4. these engines run cooler, have better hp and torque, and have the same fuel economy as you would have gotten out of a engine back in the Tier 2 days.

 

[downslope]

the tractors that have the DEF fluid are tractors that you want to have moer power, run cooler, and have the best fule economy possible because these are high horsepower tractors and run all day long.....the smaller hp tractors that will have the EGR system are in the utility line up of tractors. they arent a high hp engine and the filter system will work just fine. Put this filter system in the High Hp tractors though and you will have issues, this is a WHOLE nother thread and i wont go into that part of it........right now and probably until at least 2013, tractors like the work master and smaller will not have any kind of new exhaust system. eventually they will but not yet. at the moment everythign over 175 hp has the DEF fluid. they are also starting to do it on about 115hp tractors and up. some models below this hp they are starting to implement the EGR liek in the Powerstar T4.90 and 100 we will see later this year.

the DEf fluid is the change from tier 3 up to tier 4. these engines run cooler, have better hp and torque, and have the same fuel economy as you would have gotten out of a engine back in the Tier 2 days.

Hey, thanks for the info. You say the EGR will be on the T4.90 and 100 later this year. But is it already being used on the 4.75 like inane2 said? And on the Workmaster/A Series?

 

[jdbnh]

yes the T4.90 and 100 will have it later this year. that is why they rescheduled the build dates on them instead of builiding some with out it and then having to switch and build some with it. No the workmaster and the T4.75 DO NOT have it. that will come later in a year or so.

 

[Turbys_1700]

I would expect a growing # of mechanics involved in modifying exhaust restricted tractors in the future. Don't know how the EPA is gonna enforce it since tractors are not required to get exhaust inspections. I am pretty sure that the fine if caught would be around $10K. Look for a lot of backyard modifications on those politically correct EPA tractors.

 

[kubotachief]

I sat in the t4 75 today. Seemed very comfortable and user friendly. Got the brochure from the dealer and I noticed they don't list an overall width or a weight. Anyone know the specks? I tried to look on new Hollands website but i can't down load the specks, iPad isn't compatible with adobe I guess.

 

[jdbnh]

weights are as follows for the tractor only

2wd rops.....4960#
4x4 rops.....5886#
2wd cab....5555#
4x4 cab......6172#...........dry weights

4x4 width is 7 foot at the narrowest.

 

[ohio farmer04]

what price quote?

 

[jdbnh]

on which one ohio farmer?

 

[inane2]

Thanks for the info jdbnh!

I guess I do have two questions concerning the T4.75 :

1. Do you have any idea on the ROPS availability?
2. Are all the Powerstars (so far) coming equipped with NH FEL's?

Where I'm at, most NH buyers will pass on the NH FEL and buy a Bush Hog brand FEL because of cost. All of the T4's I've seen have had a FEL. I'm not opposed to buying the NH model, it looks like it was made specifically for the T4 as the arms are curved. The BH loader would probably have straight arms and may not look as good.

I'm definitely going to buy something this month, probably towards the end. I know the fear of the incentives changing April 1st for the worse is always here each year. From what I've seen, typically the financing rolls right on over through April. I like the price of the T4030 better, but I think the cab of the T4 is way more refined.

Priced some orange paint yesterday. One thing in their corner they have that I like is 0% for 60 instead of 48. If I'm going to splurge on a cab and power shuttle, 12 more payments lightens the load a little!

Thanks again for your insight.

 

[ohio farmer04]

power star cab 4x4 12x12 1 remote no loader bubby seat price?

 

[jdbnh]

Thanks for the info jdbnh!

I guess I do have two questions concerning the T4.75 :

1. Do you have any idea on the ROPS availability?
2. Are all the Powerstars (so far) coming equipped with NH FEL's?

Where I'm at, most NH buyers will pass on the NH FEL and buy a Bush Hog brand FEL because of cost. All of the T4's I've seen have had a FEL. I'm not opposed to buying the NH model, it looks like it was made specifically for the T4 as the arms are curved. The BH loader would probably have straight arms and may not look as good.

I'm definitely going to buy something this month, probably towards the end. I know the fear of the incentives changing April 1st for the worse is always here each year. From what I've seen, typically the financing rolls right on over through April. I like the price of the T4030 better, but I think the cab of the T4 is way more refined.

Priced some orange paint yesterday. One thing in their corner they have that I like is 0% for 60 instead of 48. If I'm going to splurge on a cab and power shuttle, 12 more payments lightens the load a little!

Thanks again for your insight.

we should actually have 5 ROPS tractors on the yard in a few weeks, so they are coming if not already out there.

If you want a loader on the tractor we have the option to order it and it is factory installed which saves the dealer money and inturn the customer. You can get after market loaders for them, but you are correct, they do not fit as well, and a little known fact, if you need warranty work done on the tractor and have an after market loader on it, NH or any other brand doesnt pay warranty to have that loader taken off. Just FYI.

I deliverd a T4 today actually and that is all the customer talked about was how nice and ergonomic the cab was compared to previous NH and new Deere and Kubota models he was shopping up until this week when he decided on the NH T4. NH did a LOT of customer inquires on the cab and whole tractor for that mater before even starting on producing it. the cab was actually built first and the rest of the tractor buitl around the cab. it is usually the other way around for the most part. for instance you have two AC blower fans and it will freeze you out!! they also work independtly so you arent stuck in the heat if one goes out!! that idea came from the south part of the USA where they did customer surveys and ideas.

On the financing we usually have quarterly terms, 3 months at a time, like right now they dont expire until the end of March and those started in Jan, sometimes they will cahnge for the better in the course of the 3 months but never worse. the big change is after the quarter is up then they usually do something different but not always. it does make it tricky sometimes. As far as Orange having 0 for 60, ask your NH dealer to see how much it would cost you to buy the 1.9% rate for 60 down to 0%. usually even with an extra $1000 to $2000 to do that, you still come out better on payments. was the orange priced close to the T4? if it was higher, which was the case with my customer today so we didnt have to change the rate, the 1.9% wont mater as far as payment. If we do buy the rate down for a customer i usually try to split the cost so it is better for you.

anyway, sorry to be so long winded. The T4 and later on the T4 90 and 100 i believe will be a GREAT adition to the blue family. So far so good.....

 

[inane2]

Wow, thanks for the info, that was very helpful!

I love the T4 cab. It's better than the previous NH's, better than the Kubota I tested and better than my neighbor's John Deere. I had never considered a cab until I sat in a T4 at the NFMS.

Makes perfect sense on the loader, I'd prefer to have mine installed at the factory vs. added in later.

The Kubota was higher than the T4. Interesting on buying down the interest rate. I was looking over a T4 invoice and a T4030 invoice. The T4 has a 3% program for cash purchase, the T4030 was much, much better. But, the T4 cab is much more comfortable and more ergonomic. Can't swing the cash purchase so it will be CNH Credit for me. Will I have to go through another credit check? I financed my TT for 32 months on a 48 month note.

The only must have option for me on the T4 is power shuttle, I'm fine with an 8 speed or 12 speed. I'd love the instructor seat. I know I can add this later. I've found the parts online, but don't know about the availability. Do you know about this? I'd like the visibility package in the roof, are you seeing this option frequently? Power shuttle a must, instructor's seat and visibility package would be a plus.

Thanks again for your valuable input to this topic and to the forum!