Power steering loosing power

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BigPete - great advice and certainly the next step. Just before coming home this afternoon and reading your post this is what transpired:

The service manager had called while I was out so I went by the dealership. Let me paraphrase my conversation with him.

SM: You can take your tractor home now. Everything checks out. I added 250 lbs to the box blade to bring the ballast up to spec and it steers fine.

Me: Did you put any weight in the bucket? The capacity of the bucket is 781 lbs.

SM: No. The front axle is already over capacity with just the loader on it.

Me: That is the specified loader for this tractor.

SM: (silence)

I suspect he knows there is no way he can steer that tractor in its current condition with the bucket anywhere near capacity. (Maybe if I put enough weight on the 3pt hitch the front wheels will come right off the ground and steering can be accomplished with the brakes.)

So up the hall to see the dealership's owner. I explained the fallacy in the SM's test and asked what he thought I should do next. He didn't think I should contact Deere directly as it would raise a red flag. The owner admitted that the RM was already involved and was not at all helpful.

I impressed on the owner that I have a substantial investment in this tractor and need to protect that investment. I also suggested that if his SM had spent as much time and energy fixing the problem as he has trying to explain it away, we would be done by now. I also reminded him that I am a long time Deere customer and there were others following this story through an Internet forum. I then asked if it is really worth it to Deere to loose a good customer, a fair amount of goodwill and possibly some other future customers just to avoid the expense of fixing this one little problem?

I left it at that and asked that he give me a call in a few days to let me know what to do next. So the dealer has one more chance before I call the CCC. So far everything is still on a friendly but serious tone and I hope to keep it that way.

Tomorrow I will pay a visit to the previous owner of this dealership and get his input. When he owned it a few years ago didn't have anymore talent back in the service department than the current owner but he always worked hard to get problems resolved. (Someday I should tell the bushhog chain guard story.) He is a good guy and will tell me it straight.

JSDK55 - I will pass on your experience to the dealer. Maybe there is a TSB on this issure sitting somewhere under a 5 year old Playboy magazine and a pile of Big Mac wrappers.
 
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#12  
Update:

There has been no resolution to the problem yet. I am being patient and have not made the call to CCC. Yesterday the dealership owner called to say the Deere regional manager wanted to see the tractor and would come by the first week of January.

For the last week I have been talking directly to the senior mechanic about the problem. I asked if he thought it would be worth checking the spindles for binding, granting it was a long shot. So yesterday he suspended one end of the front axle on a jack stand and put a floor jack with a big swivel pad (my idea, thank you) under the opposite wheel. After disconnecting the ball joint at the steering cylinder he was able to swivel the spindles by hand with no trouble. Like I said, it was a long shot.

This afternoon I went to the dealer again (I think they are tired of seeing me) to bring the tractor home as I didn't want it sitting out in the weather for another 3 weeks. In the course of our conversation about the results of his test the mechanic tells me he has no equipment to check the output of the power steering control valve, but hopes to have something by the end of January. Hmmmm. I guess when the service manager told me that "everything checks out" he really meant "the few things that I checked checked out but I didn't check what really needed to be checked".

Maybe I should be thinking orange.

Merry Christmas, everyone.
 
   / Power steering loosing power #13  
Something MUST be wrong with your tractor---one of my favorite JD compact tractor ads stated: "If it were possible to run a backhoe, steer, and load at the same time, a John Deere tractor could handle it." From what I interpret from your posts the SM you are dealing with is an ignorant jerk. It appears you know more about your tractor than HE does. Good luck--it would be a shame if this problem turns you to another brand but I would not blame you.
 
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Update:

The JD Regional Manager has yet to come by and look at my 4110 despite his promise to do so the first week of January. My patience is now a bit thin so it is time to make the call to CCC. Wish me luck.
 
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GOOD LUCK....if I were you I would be very disgusted with the manner in which your dealership has handled this.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Update:

The JD Regional Manager has yet to come by and look at my 4110 despite his promise to do so the first week of January. My patience is now a bit thin so it is time to make the call to CCC. Wish me luck. )</font>

Keep us posted, please. Remember, if it used to work fine until the change of hydraulic fluid, then it's totally illogical for them to try to claim this is "normal."

The idea above about bleeding the thing somehow makes sense to me, but I don't know jack about this stuff. Good luck!

Bob
 
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I don't understand needing the regional manager to fix a power steering problem. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't understand needing the regional manager to fix a power steering problem. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )</font>

I hear you. But, ever since my JD dealer "fixed" my SCV problem, I've had a bunch of inexplicable (appraently) problems, which, depending on which service person I speak to, are either normal or weird. I'm about out of patience also.

I can fully understand how he's been getting this run-around, like I have, and the need to escalate the problem to higher levels. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Bob
 
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Art, I think it boils down to "the service guys are clueless".
 
   / Power steering loosing power #20  
They are two different pumps on most tractors to run the two systems you've mentioned and otherwise it's just a priority valve. I don't see this as a problem but procrastination!
 

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