PO'ed Veteran

[terry.dinerman]

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I understand the anger you are feeling at seeing the open society you have defended for a lifetime, being slowly fenced in....

It is indeed a sad sign of the times. I am with you 100%.

I won't add much more than my 2 cents to the volumes already written on this thread regarding the origins of the decay that provokes these small attacks on our personal liberty and private behavior, the Net has done an admirable job of that.

I will point out however, that everywhere I look, I can still find beacons of hope in the form of people that still have a sense of Honor, and find such folks in all ages and flavors.

It ain't all bad news....Buddy, but it's the bad news that sells....

Look at the folks here on the Net....some pretty fine specimens here, if you ask me, and drawn from a world spanning pool...

Keep up your standards, try to ignore the petty insults, look past the bad news on the propaganda (media) outlets and try to find the hope that's just outside the notice of our media and lawmakers, working hard to do "...ride, shoot straight and tell the truth..."

Be Safe!

Terry

 

[MossRoad]

Ha! Well played sir!

Sorry about that. I have 4 older siblings and just couldn't resist. :laughing:

 

[brin]

]Oh please such drama![/B] Back then it was Elvis gyrating his hips, and that dam* rock and roll music that was destroying the youth of America, but you know what my parents turned out just fine, and raised two fine kids in the end. It's all a matter of perspective.

Thanks ! So Pushing _Tin you are saying I have a future as an Actor...Wow !:thumbsup:

 

[Pushing_Tin]

I'm glad to see that everybody can express their opinions without having the thread locked down. While I may disagree with some of you, I sure do respect your thoughts and enjoy reading about your perspectives.

 

[dcyrilc]

I'm glad to see that everybody can express their opinions without having the thread locked down. While I may disagree with some of you, I sure do respect your thoughts and enjoy reading about your perspectives.

IMO, that is because everyone is respecting each other and their opinions. It's the threads which degrade to the point where people and opinions are being put down and insulted that get shut down. As long as we continue to treat each other with respect, the thread should remain open.



BTW, as far as what I think...
...this Marine has to stand with 20 20.

 

[jbooth]

Well, I believe we have now solved most of the worlds problems.

Home depot is bad. A clerk doing what she has been instucted to do and probably making $2.35 an hr. (if part time and probably is) to do it is to blame. You still have the freedom to go to a small lumber yard if you can pay their prices.

No good kids. Working at McDonalds, getting orders wrong. Do you realize the poor kid will have to work 2 hrs to afford a gallon of gas or liquid nail so she/he can huff it. Give the kid a break, at least she/he is working. We still have the freedom of going to Burger King or the mom and pop cafe if McDonalds hasn't run them out of business.

We can whine and ***** about kids or adults who don't have the same lifestyle as we have or pretend to have, but we need to realize they have the right to live as they choose provided they live within the laws.

Our problem is mainly it is hard to fit in this society anymore. When I was young I worked exclusively on farms and was thankful for the jobs. I was actually needed. Now there are no farm jobs for youngsters due to liability and laws. If the "hard fit" isn't true why are there so many of us playing with our "toy tractors" and playing farmer. I'll bet most have a "city" job to enable us to get out and do what we really want to do on week-ends.

I want to thank PO'd Veteran and all veterans for their service. I also would like to point out that we all can thank them for preserving our right to have these rants. Some places your opinions are not tolerated.

 

[MossRoad]

I don't have the answers to protect every single person on the planet, but I do know it should not be about harassing the innocent. .

You think getting carded for age verification is harassment? What about being asked for your drivers license if you get pulled over for a burned out tail light? You are driving a car. It should be obvious that you have a driver's license shouldn't it? Should a cop ask to see your license? Should cops sit by the side of the road with a radar gun? Even people going the speed limit get nervous when they see that. That seems like harassment of innocent folks by law enforcement. How about using a credit card? If the clerk asks to see ID is that harassment?

I think there are much larger issues to be concerned about than being asked to show ID for age verification for controlled substances.

 

[brin]

Well I will throw this one out there for everyone to chew on. Years ago in another lifetime I was a Police Officer and I attended the Traffic Institute at Norwestern University and I remember back then a discussion among all the police officers in the class and the instructor took place on the theory ( at that time ) of " Stop and Frisk " which means stopping someone without probable cause...just to check them out and there was a concensus in the room including the instructor that we would never see such a law in the US...only countries like Russia , China etc. would that ever be tolerated.

Well guess what...we have had stop and frisk now in this country for years - at least since the early '80's ...think of the roadblocks that stop folks for no reason ..just to check for license, insurance. Driving under the influence...there is no probable cause..it is just stop and frisk...So we were all wrong...I think this alone proves 20 -20's concerns are valid...Just my 2 cents.

 

[MossRoad]

Well I will throw this one out there for everyone to chew on. Years ago in another lifetime I was a Police Officer and I attended the Traffic Institute at Norwestern University and I remember back then a discussion among all the police officers in the class and the instructor took place on the theory ( at that time ) of " Stop and Frisk " which means stopping someone without probable cause...just to check them out and there was a concensus in the room including the instructor that we would never see such a law in the US...only countries like Russia , China etc. would that ever be tolerated.

Well guess what...we have had stop and frisk now in this country for years - at least since the early '80's ...think of the roadblocks that stop folks for no reason ..just to check for license, insurance. Driving under the influence...there is no probable cause..it is just stop and frisk...So we were all wrong...I think this alone proves 20 -20's concerns are valid...Just my 2 cents.

I've never been frisked in a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone here at TBN every been frisked at a DUI checkpoint?

I was, however, directed to leave into a dead end neighborhood with the only way out being to go around the block only to be stopped at the same DUI checkpoint. Now that was aggravating.

 

[brin]

I've never been frisked in a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone here at TBN every been frisked at a DUI checkpoint?

I was, however, directed to leave into a dead end neighborhood with the only way out being to go around the block only to be stopped at the same DUI checkpoint. Now that was aggravating.

It is the stop part Moss, without probable cause and then once the officer stops you if he sees anything in your car that he deems suspicious he can frisk you and even search your car and you did nothing to provoke any of this....The officer never had probable cause and in my day , back in the '60's , you needed probable cause to stop someone...now days you don't..Now there will be those that say ..well, it does not bother me since I am doing nothing wrong..Well maybe and then again maybe not..it depends on the officer and his intent and honesty..The real point is...we used to be free to drive without interference unless we violated some law...that is no longer the case ..Is it ?

 

[20 20]

I think there are much larger issues to be concerned about than being asked to show ID for age verification for controlled substances.

You are correct, my point is if we don't take care of the little crap that happens sooner or later we'll be standing in slurry stores.

 

[20 20]

Well I will throw this one out there for everyone to chew on. Years ago in another lifetime I was a Police Officer and I attended the Traffic Institute at Norwestern University and I remember back then a discussion among all the police officers in the class and the instructor took place on the theory ( at that time ) of " Stop and Frisk " which means stopping someone without probable cause...just to check them out and there was a concensus in the room including the instructor that we would never see such a law in the US...only countries like Russia , China etc. would that ever be tolerated.

Well guess what...we have had stop and frisk now in this country for years - at least since the early '80's ...think of the roadblocks that stop folks for no reason ..just to check for license, insurance. Driving under the influence...there is no probable cause..it is just stop and frisk...So we were all wrong...I think this alone proves 20 -20's concerns are valid...Just my 2 cents.

Thank you Brin this is exactly my point, when is enough, enough.

 

[/pine]

Now in FL you can be pulled over just because an officer does not see a seat belt across your shoulder...before the new law went into effect they had to have another reason to pull you over to cite you for a seat belt violation...

It really irks me that you're required to wear a seat belt in an enclosed vehicle yet motorcyclists are not required to wear helmets...go figure..!

 

[riptides]

I've never been frisked in a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone here at TBN every been frisked at a DUI checkpoint?

I was frisked and detained by US Customs on entry to NYC,
detained again on entry into Washington state,
detained and jailed on entry into an "ally" of ours.

Talk about civil liberties being "Challenged".

 

[sodamo]

I've never been frisked in a DUI checkpoint. Has anyone here at TBN every been frisked at a DUI checkpoint?

I was, however, directed to leave into a dead end neighborhood with the only way out being to go around the block only to be stopped at the same DUI checkpoint. Now that was aggravating.

Physically frisked - no
Visually and verbally - yes