I have a new 1533 with the 1525 loader. It seems that when I am trying to get a load of soil or ? The bucket rolls a few inches either up or down. I seems like there is play in the hyd. cylinders that control loader roll. I'm sure there shouldn't be any play and the loader should remain rigid...right?
Play in 1525 loader
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Wayne County Hose
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Sounds like worn piston seals. Do a search, you'll find a ton of stuff on it.
MFRED
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How many hours on your tractor? It is possible the cylinders were never fully filled with oil by working them fore & aft. Just cycle the loader up & down, dump & curl. Be sure to hold the lever until you can hear the motor start to work. A few cycles should bleed any air in the system out. Hopefully it works, thats what it sounds like.
I have the exact same issue with mine. I purchased it at the end of last summer. When I think I have the bucket level and ready to pick up material the bucket will tilt up while scooping. The loader arm does not move just the bucket tilts and rolls under pressure. This is extremely annoying
I have to place the bucket flat then slightly roll it to hold the pressure down. This can not be normal. It is like the bucket is loose. Has anyone else had this same issue? Is this the start of the hydraulic issue? Have I forgot how to use a loader
I have to place the bucket flat then slightly roll it to hold the pressure down. This can not be normal. It is like the bucket is loose. Has anyone else had this same issue? Is this the start of the hydraulic issue? Have I forgot how to use a loader
Nasty135
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One thing you might double check in the amount of play your seeing, Could it possibly be slightly worn pins in the bucket to cylinder attachment on all connection points, make sure to keep grease in them.. The little bit of play I have in mine is from worn pins...
Just a thought , something to check..Don't know if this is your case or not...
Just a thought , something to check..Don't know if this is your case or not...
I will check but I have less than 30 hours and I hope the pins are not that bad. I also grease everything quite often. This has also been an issue since it was at 0 hours.
The play at the cutting edge is about +/- 2-3"
I just though I was using the loader wrong. Maybe it is time to call the dealer? Thanks for the input.
The play at the cutting edge is about +/- 2-3"
I just though I was using the loader wrong. Maybe it is time to call the dealer? Thanks for the input.
MFRED
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Are you using your regen function to dump then trying to scoop? I bet that's it! When you use the regen you are allowing oil to escape faster than it can return, thus when you level & put pressure the opposite way the cylinders aren't full of oil.
MFRED,
After thinking about what you said I am not using the regen to dump. This could be the source of my so-called floppy bucked syndrome. I found this link to a good description of the regen function which the manual does very little to explain.
3 position valve-vs-4 position valve
I will check this week.
Thank you
After thinking about what you said I am not using the regen to dump. This could be the source of my so-called floppy bucked syndrome. I found this link to a good description of the regen function which the manual does very little to explain.
3 position valve-vs-4 position valve
I will check this week.
Thank you
My loader only has a couple hours on it...at most. I am aware of the fast dump but haven't used it. Maybe I did something and didn't realize I did. Never the less, how do I get the oil to refill the cylinders...just cycle the loaders bucket roll function?
HarryVanderpool
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Without seeing this first hand it sounds to me like your loader is working normally.
First of all, forget the idea that your boom or bucket should ,"remain ridged".
They are not ever ridged unless you welded them in a position and had steel wheels. Even then things flex or deflect some.
When you enter the soil or a pile with your bucket, you sometimes are exerting considerable forward roll pressure on your bucket. Then as the bucket begins to bite it is pulled down and you are now needing roll back presure to keep the bucket from diving deeper.
The compression and expansion of your hydraulic hoses on both sides of the cylinders between these two directions alone is enough to cause much of the drift.
Add to this boom flexure and tires; sounds normal to me.
This is called porpus-ing.
Normal.
With practice, you will get better and better at going with it and controlling bucket vector.
Forget "ridged". Its not there.
Have fun!
First of all, forget the idea that your boom or bucket should ,"remain ridged".
They are not ever ridged unless you welded them in a position and had steel wheels. Even then things flex or deflect some.
When you enter the soil or a pile with your bucket, you sometimes are exerting considerable forward roll pressure on your bucket. Then as the bucket begins to bite it is pulled down and you are now needing roll back presure to keep the bucket from diving deeper.
The compression and expansion of your hydraulic hoses on both sides of the cylinders between these two directions alone is enough to cause much of the drift.
Add to this boom flexure and tires; sounds normal to me.
This is called porpus-ing.
Normal.
With practice, you will get better and better at going with it and controlling bucket vector.
Forget "ridged". Its not there.
Have fun!
HVP
Thanks for your reply! But, the loader didn't act like this in the beginning. It is not a normal amount of play. I have yet to try to bleed the air out of the cylinders...will try that tomorrow IF I get out to where it is stored. It is certainly not normal. If I were to try to raise the tractor off of the ground using the loader the bucket will roll significantly under the pressure. It did not do this in the beginning. If I were to raise the tractor(even with the blade edge of the loader) it would go right up without flopping around. Thanks.
Thanks for your reply! But, the loader didn't act like this in the beginning. It is not a normal amount of play. I have yet to try to bleed the air out of the cylinders...will try that tomorrow IF I get out to where it is stored. It is certainly not normal. If I were to try to raise the tractor off of the ground using the loader the bucket will roll significantly under the pressure. It did not do this in the beginning. If I were to raise the tractor(even with the blade edge of the loader) it would go right up without flopping around. Thanks.
HarryVanderpool
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Humph!
Please let us know what you find out.
Thanx!
Please let us know what you find out.
Thanx!
Shawn
Did you ever come up with a resolution? I guess I have kind of forgotten about this issue because I haven't been using the loader very hard. Last week we were clearing a property of a bunch of trees etc so revisited this issue. I could hardly even grab a load from a compost pile to turn it.
Did you ever come up with a resolution? I guess I have kind of forgotten about this issue because I haven't been using the loader very hard. Last week we were clearing a property of a bunch of trees etc so revisited this issue. I could hardly even grab a load from a compost pile to turn it.
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I had an issue with cavitation in my 1548, the bucket would roll out quickly than the fluid would flow out of the cylinder at one one end faster than it would come in, causing a delay when returnig, Massey's solution at the time was to place an orifice inline to slow the whole process down and allow the fluid to escape slowly and allow fluid in and stop the cavitation, just slowed everything down and irritated you even worse, anyway at the time the mechanics told me there were some issues with the smaller tractors 1528 1533, but this was the first time they had come across it in a 1548. Cavitation would cause the sloppiness in the bucket as you have described, and Massey definitely had an issue with it, I believe there were even bulletins on it so check with your dealer. I don't have any problems with my 1533, but I have a John Deere 2305 and it has a similar issue, my deere dealer tells me it is common among all compact tractors as they don't have the pump capacities like the larger ag tractors maybe it's just his excuse not to fix it, but it makes sense. I find with my 2305 if i roll the bucket all the way out and hold the pressure there for a few second, then when i roll it back it stays rigid takes a little longer but it works. Hope this long and drawn out explanation helps.
