Piranha Bar

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TomIre

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Is this the type of stuff a piranha bar is good at tackling. I haven't been too keen on backing my bush hog into it. I know there are a good number of rocks!
So, thinking of getting a piranha bar to tackle it. IMG_20180702_181731861.jpgIMG_20180702_181758508.jpg
 
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Yes. Certainly is.
 
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Ratchet rake. You can稚 dig with it, but great destruction of brush. NOT SAYING TOOTH BARS CANT! I use the rake for lots of stuff. My only complaint is the straps. I値l end up getting the chain binders.
 
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Thanks. Don't know why it took me a while to figure this one out. What's the advantage of a ratchet rake over the piranha bar? Seems to me the ratchet is the weak point? The piranha bar can always be unbolted if you want to take it off - right?
 
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Watch the Ratchet Rake videos on U-tube.
 
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I have watched. Both seem to do the same job but everyone says the ratchet straps wear out and have to be replaced with chain binders. What's the ratchet take advantage over a bolt on?
 
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I have watched. Both seem to do the same job but everyone says the ratchet straps wear out and have to be replaced with chain binders. What's the ratchet take advantage over a bolt on?

You can order the ratchet rake with chain binders INSTEAD of straps!
 
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1. My Ratchet Rake is strapped to my bucket 50% of the time. I have been using the same two nylon straps for almost five years, though I have replaced one of the ratchet-tightening mechs once, cost $16.00 at TSC. I recently replaced one of the two 25" wire cables that attach to the RR, go under the bucket, then are held by the nylon straps. RR, LLC provided two replacements for $11, nominally the cost of shipping and handling.

Nylon straps stretch a tiny amount, rather than breaking. Straps are a planned fail point. Better a nylon strap break than bucket potentially be pinched. (No reports of pinching that I have read.)
LINK: https://ratchetrake.com/images/ratchet_rake_fs.pdf

When the nylon straps collect a lot of dust, they are difficult to pull through the ratchet mech. I remove straps from mech about once a year and wash them in a bucket. I blow dust out of the two mechs with compressed air. I am age 70. Up to age 60 I would have used brute force to override dust.

2. Ratchet Rake is of 1/2" steel construction, (5/8" in widest iterations) one thickness throughout the tool. The downward oriented teeth, combined with two articulations from the bucket and combined weight of FEL + bucket + RR is key to tearing out brush and functioning as a light Box Blade facsimile. The second row of teeth, longer and perpendicular to first row, are used together to push dirt and grade. I use RR to prepare a small garden each March in Florida.

When I need to dig/excavate I use a Bucket Spade. My digging involves planting or removing small trees and removing Palmettos. With Piranha your hole has to be at least as wide as your bucket. I have no need for 48" nor 60" nor 72" holes.

Had I the need for a digging toothbar, for a house foundation, or burying farm animals for instance, Piranha would be my first choice.

I operate my L3560 around 200 engine hours per year.
 

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OK, a lot not everyone☺! Dont plan to dig with either. Primary use will be brush clearing as shown in picks.
Not trying to be argumentative but what's the ratchet take advantage?
 
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The Piranha is for digging. Only. It tears out brush by digging it up. You use it going forward, I own a Piranha, but I don't have your kind of growth.

The ratchet rake is for raking. You use it mostly in reverse. It tears out brush without digging. It is a much neater solution for your type of brush. I do not own a ratchet rake.

It is POSSIBLE to remove a Piranha, but I sure wouldn't want to be the one doing it. I consider its installation permanent.
 
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It's easy to unbolt the Piranha. Mine needs a couple light taps from a hammer to get free of the bucket. The biggest issues with removing it are that it's heavy and has sharp edges, and you have to find a safe place to put it. I take it off when I'm loading material that's on pavement.

I used mine to rip out some brush. It works on smaller diameter stuff. The edges are sharp enough to cut stems, and the points can grab them so you can pull them out of the ground. It's not all that good at gathering up material. A grapple works better for my brush, where there's a lot of material that's larger than the Piranha can handle. A lot of my brush requires a chain saw.

A trick for brush hogging where there might be rocks is to go forwards and run the loader really low so it'll find the rocks before the brush hog does.
 
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I have a Piranha Bar and it definitely tears out brush and saplings by catching them on the teeth and ripping them out by the roots. I have similar undergrowth to yours. Might depend on how much power your tractor has, too. Will be doing a little more of that. Also slices through my clay soil like butter. I sometimes want to remove the sod before working an area, and it would clearly do that too. Very multi-purpose implement for my needs. Also agree, very easy to install/uninstall. Two bolts. I even did the installation myself.

I have decided not to go for a grapple *at this point* (though they do look very useful!). I can clear my trail with the Piranha bar then use the pallet forks to haul everything to the burn pile.

To clarify: I have much more need for digging/leveling than for brush clearing (I like to leave brush wherever I can). That's why the PB suits me.
 
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TomIre, based on your stated uses I would get a RR. I have the Piranha and have to agree with Jeff. The RR is for brush clearing and the tooth bar is best suited to digging. The Piranha will happily dig out brush but it is rough method of doing what the RR is designed to do.

I will be getting the RR in addition to the Piranha as they both have there purpose.

OK, a lot not everyone☺! Dont plan to dig with either. Primary use will be brush clearing as shown in picks.
Not trying to be argumentative but what's the ratchet take advantage?
 
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This is all really helpful and I very much appreciate everyone's input. I'm thinking now that that are different tools. Like any tool you can use it different ways. Seems to be some overlap between the capabilities of the two. Started out thinking piranha but leaning towards RE now. Maybe I should get both too! Also see why the RR should last as it is designed, I think, to sort of back drag the brush so the strap doesn't get the stress i thought.
Thanks again, I'll head back to YouTube and keep reading here. Maybe I'll have a eureka moment! Probably either took would work just used differently.
 
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You can't argue with the effectiveness of the Piranha as shown in Biodegraded's photos. Very cool pictures.

Around trees or other obstacles where you can't get a straight shot at the brush I think the RR will be very handy. Also think I can rake out debris and tall grass under blueberry bushes with the RR.
 
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:)

Bruce
 
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Wanted to thank everyone for their posts and input. The penny finally dropped for me yesterday while watching some RR videos on YouTube! Ordered a RR today. I think it will do exactly what I want.
Now the only problem is I'm thinking I'll need a grapple and a third function remote . . . !����
 
 

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