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[4570Man]

Excuse me per minute

You better check your own post because it says hour.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yes Sir. We appreciate our Farmers. A lot of the guys I work with, their Dads are Farmers and they Farm when they home so thank you I know its a hard life. No I actually never owned a Diesel GM truck before. I had a 2012 Dodge Cummins and loved it. Never gave me any problems. I passed it on to my Son and its still going strong. Before that I had Fords and when they came out with the 6.0 liter Ford I went through 2 of them do to the emissions. The wife said she better never see another Ford in the driveway..lol. My Son actually talked me in to trying out the GM so I gave it a try. I do like the new Dodge though. Very Nice

Good deal and thanks! We ain’t going nowhere without affordable diesel fuel.
I am in the final stages of trading in a ?8 550 with a 6.4 on a 2020 RAM 5500 chassis 6.7 Cummins.
I am simply amazed at what these trucks cost now. I bought my first house for less.
I had an 07 Duramax 3500 chassis pre emissions truck and loved it.
I don’t have any DEF diesels and I’m a little “anxious”

 

[WM75Guy]

I don’t have any DEF diesels and I’m a little “anxious”

Consider what DEF you are going to use. With the Duramax I saw quite a few posts on GM and Duramax owners websites where people used Blue DEF instead of GM DEF and had issues. It would not register on the sensor even though the tank was full. They went into limp mode, had to drain the tank, and replace the sensor. I use GM DEF on the 2017 and never had an issue. I buy it at the dealer as it is cheaper than the auto parts places.

 

[rScotty]

Consider what DEF you are going to use. With the Duramax I saw quite a few posts om GM and Duramax owners websites where people used Blue DEF instead of GM DEF and had issues. It would not register on the sensor even though the tank was full. They went into limp mode, had to drain the tank, and replace the sensor. I use GM DEF on the 2017 and never had an issue. I buy it at the dealer as it is cheaper than the auto parts places.

That sort of sizes up the whole problem with aftermarket products... Especially fluid products. There just isn't any easy way for us owners to tell which are good and which are not.

In this case, we don't have to wonder. Because if the Blue Fluid Manufacturer didn't even know enough simple science to check if his fluid would show up on the fluid sensors it was designed to work with, then how much of the more technical and chemical info did they either not know or deliberately ignore?

I'm not saying that they did....but how do I know? How badly do I want to gamble what I don't know against what they don't know? The only thing I know for sure is there isn't any way I can win on that one.
rScotty

Or as the Car Guys said, "Do two guys who know nothing about a subject know more or less than one guy who doesn't know anything at all?"

 

[RickB]

DEF either meets the standards outlined in ISO 22241 or it does not. If the label says the product meets the standard, the manufacturer should be held accountable to that claim. If the label does not reference meeting the published ISO standard you should not buy that DEF. There isn’t room for false claims and voodoo as with engine oils and hydraulic oils. There is one standard to be met.

 

[Rmart30]

DEF either meets the standards outlined in ISO 22241 or it does not. If the label says the product meets the standard, the manufacturer should be held accountable to that claim. If the label does not reference meeting the published ISO standard you should not buy that DEF. There isn’t room for false claims and voodoo as with engine oils and hydraulic oils. There is one standard to be met.

Anyone who uses DEF fluid needs one of these testers. Age, sun exposure, and other factors can degrade new unopened DEF fluid. ALWAYS check DEF fluid before you put it in your tank. Ive seen brand new DEF bottles straight off the shelf be put into machines and it shut the machine down. Too easy to check it before you put it in.
https://www.amazon.com/Performance-...QBP1Q7ZD5WV&psc=1&refRID=PV4ZP8HCKQBP1Q7ZD5WV

 

[tomt574]

You better check your own post because it says hour.

Yes i saw it. Good catch my bad. Would be nice if it were per hour.lol

 

[mwayne]

Here is a link to an article about a recent court decision relating to deleting emissions equipment:

Diesel Brothers Hit With $85, Fine for Tampering With Truck Emissions - The Drive

 

[tomt574]

Here is a link to an article about a recent court decision relating to deleting emissions equipment:

Diesel Brothers Hit With $85, Fine for Tampering With Truck Emissions - The Drive

That is a fine display of ignorance and the reason Diesels have a bad name. You can have a powerful diesel that is tuned properly that will not dump black soot into the atmosphere. It's idiots like this that make the rest of suffer. I have never watched the show but from what I just saw the fine is warranted. My 2012 Dodge with no DPF, no Cat, no EGR, straight turbo back exhaust with H&S tune and many other extras will smoke 37x12.5 tire and not roll black smoke from the exhaust.

 

[mwayne]

Anyone who uses DEF fluid needs one of these testers. Age, sun exposure, and other factors can degrade new unopened DEF fluid. ALWAYS check DEF fluid before you put it in your tank. Ive seen brand new DEF bottles straight off the shelf be put into machines and it shut the machine down. Too easy to check it before you put it in.
https://www.amazon.com/Performance-...QBP1Q7ZD5WV&psc=1&refRID=PV4ZP8HCKQBP1Q7ZD5WV

At my workplace the policy for the people who have trucks needing DEF is open the container, top off the DEF tank in the vehicle and discard the rest of the DEF. The mechanics say too many problems occur otherwise.

 

[tomt574]

Here is a link to an article about a recent court decision relating to deleting emissions equipment:

Diesel Brothers Hit With $85, Fine for Tampering With Truck Emissions - The Drive

That is a fine display of ignorance and the reason Diesels have a bad name. You can have a powerful diesel that is tuned properly that will not dump black soot into the atmosphere. It's idiots like this that make the rest of suffer. I have never watched the show but from what I just saw the fine is warranted.

 

[59ksmall]

I have to wonder if a straight pipe to replace the DPF with a couple of taps for the sensors would work. If the sensors are looking for differential pressure to start the regen with no differential I wonder if they would never start, the EGR system should be fairly easy to defeat.
I realize that the EPA wouldn't like it if they found out, I would delete my pickup except that the nanny state that I live in requires annual inspections and they plug into the computer for emission compliance on your vehicle.

The Kubota MX series uses a port on each end of the DPF that have a hose each going to a differential pressure sensor. When this sensor reads pressure difference of a certain value then it kicks the engine into re-gen. In theory, if you punched out the ceramic filter media, the tractor would never go into re-gen. I believe it will still re-gen every 30 hrs though.

 

[59ksmall]

Here is a page from a Kubota document I found.

 

[tomt574]

At my workplace the policy for the people who have trucks needing DEF is open the container, top off the DEF tank in the vehicle and discard the rest of the DEF. The mechanics say too many problems occur otherwise.

Good info

 

[LouNY]

At my workplace the policy for the people who have trucks needing DEF is open the container, top off the DEF tank in the vehicle and discard the rest of the DEF. The mechanics say too many problems occur otherwise.

If it is the size container I'm used to it's only 2 1/2 gallons,
I wait till I'm down to 1/2 tank dump in one jug and go,no need to fill it to the brim.
That one jug is good for several thousand miles.

 

[the old grind]

I wonder if buying extra hp and then running at lower rpm is causing regens sooner than on a 30 or so hour interval.

I might use a smaller tractor for a job to keep the revs up and minimize wet-stacking. Isn't DPF to prevent that? :scratchchin:

 

[tomt574]

I have to wonder if a straight pipe to replace the DPF with a couple of taps for the sensors would work. If the sensors are looking for differential pressure to start the regen with no differential I wonder if they would never start, the EGR system should be fairly easy to defeat.
I realize that the EPA wouldn't like it if they found out, I would delete my pickup except that the nanny state that I live in requires annual inspections and they plug into the computer for emission compliance on your vehicle.

Yes it sounds logical if only it were that simple. The DP pressure sensors read a DP across the DPF in a known value. There is a DP in the shelf state. Once the DP rises above that shelf state to a determined value set in the ECM it gives an output to go into regen. If there is no DP because you removed the internals I am afraid you will throw a code and end up in limp mode. Now if you could get into the program and disable the ECM I/O for the DPF you could do what you mentioned and that way if someone looked at it everything would appear to still be there.

 

[tomt574]

I wonder if buying extra hp and then running at lower rpm is causing regens sooner than on a 30 or so hour interval.

I might use a smaller tractor for a job to keep the revs up and minimize wet-stacking. Isn't DPF to prevent that? :scratchchin:

I know of someone that was having this very issue while running the Backhoe attachment. He had the rpm set low and was having issues with the regens. Once he cranked up the rpm problem solved

 

[LouNY]

Yes it sounds logical if only it were that simple. The DP pressure sensors read a DP across the DPF in a known value. There is a DP in the shelf state. Once the DP rises above that shelf state to a determined value set in the ECM it gives an output to go into regen. If there is no DP because you removed the internals I am afraid you will throw a code and end up in limp mode. Now if you could get into the program and disable the ECM I/O for the DPF you could do what you mentioned and that way if someone looked at it everything would appear to still be there.

Several ways to work on that if it did, the taps could be angled which could increase or decrease pressure depending on the angle relationship with the flow,
or simply install the first sensor in the exhaust and the second past a muffler or in the air.
Untill a person is actually working on it it is hard to say.

 

[LouNY]

That is a fine display of ignorance and the reason Diesels have a bad name. You can have a powerful diesel that is tuned properly that will not dump black soot into the atmosphere. It's idiots like this that make the rest of suffer. I have never watched the show but from what I just saw the fine is warranted. My 2012 Dodge with no DPF, no Cat, no EGR, straight turbo back exhaust with H&S tune and many other extras will smoke 37x12.5 tire and not roll black smoke from the exhaust.

While I don't agree with making a vehicle roll smoke, all I see is a huge out of control federal bureaucracy that is stomping on American citizens engaged in a practice that has been going on for ever, modifying something you have bought to personalize it. It is no different then putting straight pipes or glass paks on a car, putting a 4 barrel carb on an engine that came with a 2 barrel. Or these kids with the lowered rice burners with the big cans for mufflers and super low profile tires that are pretty much useless. But fun to watch and laugh at in the snow.

All of the federal bureaucratizes need to be trimmed down and brought in to heel, they have absconded/stole way to much authority and power. By there own definition they are not legislative or judicial bodies.

Bureaucracy refers to both a body of non-elected government officials and an administrative policy-making group. Historically, a bureaucracy was a government administration managed by departments staffed with non-elected officials.

What they leave out is that they also seem to feel that they do not respond to the people but only to themselves and they are constantly involved in making themselves stronger and more overbearing.

Is it time for anew tea party? as I recall the original was over the abuse of power and authority.