Particulate filter delete

[phastmac]

I just purchased a new M7060HD Kubota. I was wondering about the particulate filter and when the warranty expires, getting the particulate filter deleted. Does any one have any comments on this. I'm just looking for information. thanks

 

[Snobdds]

I delete all my diesels, they just run better with no emission systems. Plus living in Wyoming, the thin air combined with a choking of the exhaust, is a recipe for failure. The problem is Kubota, like Toyota, have their ECU's on lock down. I have not seen a company yet be able to overwrite the firm ware for Kubota. Unless something else comes along, you may be stuck.

It is amazing how well a modern diesel runs with no EGR, DPF or SCR.

EDIT: I may have spoke too soon. It looks like they finally got something for Kubota. No idea how they are doing it, but check these guys out...

Agricultural ECM Tunes-DPF EGR UREA-Kubota Deere Case

 

[mopardude318]

Wow. If something like that is going to be available in the near future, I will absolutely do a DPF delete on my M7060. I haven't had any problems in my young ownership of only 100 hours but I just don't like the way the engine runs and smells when it's doing it's regen thing. It smells like burnt popcorn. LOL

 

[CincyFlyer]

Keep up your maintenance, and don't touch that filter:
"In a court settlement with the EPA, Edge Products, a manufacturer of electronic power modules for diesel engines, has agreed to pay a $500,000 fine for manufacturing and selling electronic devices that allowed owners of Chevy, GMC, Ford and Dodge/Ram diesel pickup trucks (2007 and later) to remove the programming for diesel particulate filters from their vehicles. The civil penalty of $500,000 is based on the United States’ determination that Edge Products has a limited ability to pay a penalty in this matter."

 

[CincyFlyer]

I delete all my diesels, they just run better with no emission systems. Plus living in Wyoming, the thin air combined with a choking of the exhaust, is a recipe for failure. The problem is Kubota, like Toyota, have their ECU's on lock down. I have not seen a company yet be able to overwrite the firm ware for Kubota. Unless something else comes along, you may be stuck.

It is amazing how well a modern diesel runs with no EGR, DPF or SCR.

EDIT: I may have spoke too soon. It looks like they finally got something for Kubota. No idea how they are doing it, but check these guys out...

Agricultural ECM Tunes-DPF EGR UREA-Kubota Deere Case

Yeah, I'd skip it:
It is the buyer's responsibility to be aware of all operational and emissions requirements for legal use in their country. The buyer hereby waives all legal rights and understands that the seller (Peak Engine Performance, its employees, sub-contractors, business associates, and affiliates) will not be held liable for any reason. See my other post for why.

 

[Snobdds]

Yeah, I'd skip it:
It is the buyer's responsibility to be aware of all operational and emissions requirements for legal use in their country. The buyer hereby waives all legal rights and understands that the seller (Peak Engine Performance, its employees, sub-contractors, business associates, and affiliates) will not be held liable for any reason. See my other post for why.

lol...

Your comparing on the road products with off road products. Understand what is what before you cast assumptions...

 

[CincyFlyer]

lol...

Your comparing on the road products with off road products. Understand what is what before you cast assumptions...

You are under the mistaken impression that the EPA cares what kind of equipment you are operating when it comes down hard on you. It does not. It's just easier to hit the road going stuff.

 

[phastmac]

Thanks to all for the info.

 

[phastmac]

thanks, for the info.

 

[LouNY]

I have to wonder if a straight pipe to replace the DPF with a couple of taps for the sensors would work. If the sensors are looking for differential pressure to start the regen with no differential I wonder if they would never start, the EGR system should be fairly easy to defeat.
I realize that the EPA wouldn't like it if they found out, I would delete my pickup except that the nanny state that I live in requires annual inspections and they plug into the computer for emission compliance on your vehicle.

 

[cphilip]

... except that the nanny state that I live in requires annual inspections and they plug into the computer for emission compliance on your vehicle.

VW found a way around that.... ;-O

 

[LouNY]

VW found a way around that.... ;-O

And now RAM seems to be in the same boat, It really irks me that a vehicle getting good mileage gets so emissioned that it gets worse mileage or acreage to the gallon.
These new tractors even before the dpf's and def fluid did so much better on emissions then the older ones already, especially the electronic common rail systems. These additional requirements
that increase the fuel consumption are a*ss backwards so called "improvements"
Highway vehicle emissions should be in grams per mile NOT grams per gallon.
Off road shouldn't have been crippled like they have, if the epa needed to regulate them opacity requirements would have sufficed.

 

[CincyFlyer]

And now RAM seems to be in the same boat, It really irks me that a vehicle getting good mileage gets so emissioned that it gets worse mileage or acreage to the gallon.
These new tractors even before the dpf's and def fluid did so much better on emissions then the older ones already, especially the electronic common rail systems. These additional requirements
that increase the fuel consumption are a*ss backwards so called "improvements"
Highway vehicle emissions should be in grams per mile NOT grams per gallon.
Off road shouldn't have been crippled like they have, if the epa needed to regulate them opacity requirements would have sufficed.

Ultimately, I'd agree that emissions should be on a "per mile" basis ONLY, without regard to engine size or type. It may take a little while for all of the tractor and other large diesel manufacturers to figure things out, but they will. Heck, Otto-cycle engines are now at the peak of power in history and the cleanest.
I will note that my Mahindra has no DPF, but uses a catalyst only. So far, no issues, but only in the low 100 hour range.

 

[JB13502]

My understanding is that Kubota has come out with a delete kit for when today’s tractors are sold to the used markets overseas where quality of fuel can be questionable at best. I wouldn’t be surprised if a grey market showed up for delete kits.

I won’t worry about it until when or if I have a problem with the DPF.

 

[phastmac]

I would just like to be able to run the engine at lower RPMs, and let it idle at times and not have to worry about the DPF.

 

[Ryansweatt2004]

I would just like to be able to run the engine at lower RPMs, and let it idle at times and not have to worry about the DPF.

Same here

 

[Snobdds]

Getting rid of the bolt on junk is the easy part... reprogramming the ECU is the challenge.

OEM's know this. Ford is the best at not locking down their firm ware to open up overrides. Dodge tried from 2007 to around 2013, then they realized they were loosing market share and unlocked the ECU. Tractor owners are the wrong demographic for this stuff to drive the deletes.

It depends on the state too. Some of us are lucky...

 

[Tractorable]

The L2501 sounds better everyday.

 

[ericm979]

I would just like to be able to run the engine at lower RPMs, and let it idle at times and not have to worry about the DPF.

You can, it'll just do regens more often and clog the DPF sooner. Instead of the 3000 hour design life you might get 2000 hours out of it before it needs a cleaning. There are lots of services that clean DPFs and they'll still be doing it in 20 years when you need it.

 

[CincyFlyer]

You can, it'll just do regens more often and clog the DPF sooner. Instead of the 3000 hour design life you might get 2000 hours out of it before it needs a cleaning. There are lots of services that clean DPFs and they'll still be doing it in 20 years when you need it.

True. DPF isn't evil, it's literally filtering stuff that can kill you children—slowly but surely. Eventually a way will be found to regain lost efficiency, same as what the petrol engine makers have already done.