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[tomt574]

I only worked on Diesel Perdormance and emissions for thirty five years, in product development engineering for a Diesel engine manufacturer, so what do I know?

Yes, there were some teething problems, but a properly functioning DPF is relatively seamless, and raises back pressure an inconsequential amount.

I am sure you are a knowledgeable guy. Yes everything works great in production development and emissions. Its in real world applications where guys like myself that have been working on them for 35 years and fixing what the engineers said would work cause their numbers say it would does not. I will say that it has gotten somewhat better. Once you convince hard headed engineers that it doesn't work like their calculations say it would we clear the way for improvement. We still have a long way to go. I have to say I wish I knew what an inconsequential amount meant to you. We have 2000 hp and 7000 hp cat 3516 and cat 3616 and I can only say that when you pumping 60,000 barrels an hour and your fuel burn is 5.7 gallons an hour for each engine and you have 4 running at the same time it is not an inconsequential amount. Enjoy your fuel at the pump. Bringing it to you by the by oil field workers around the world who in the eyes of engineers aren't so smart.

 

[tomt574]

Apparently part of what you do not know is what happens to these engineering marvels in real world conditions.

It is like pulling teeth to convince an engineer that what works in their numbers and controlled environment does not work the same in real world applications.

 

[4570Man]

What’s burning 5.7 gallons an hour? It sure isn’t the 7,000 hp cat.

 

[tomt574]

What痴 burning 5.7 gallons an hour? It sure isn稚 the 7,000 hp cat.

Excuse me per minute

 

[finn1]

Apparently part of what you do not know is what happens to these engineering marvels in real world conditions.

Nice comeback!

 

[tomt574]

Excuse me per minute

The 3515 cat 2000 hp at 60% load is about 60 gallans an hour.

The larger units are measured in minutes on our HMI. About 5.7 a minute. Diesel bill is a couple million a month

 

[rScotty]

It is like pulling teeth to convince an engineer that what works in their numbers and controlled environment does not work the same in real world applications.

Yep. The fact is that doing that successfully is pretty much part of the job description for any technician. Herding anything is always going to turn into a rodeo.

As far as the engineers themselves, they're still pretty much the same group who designed those older diesels. Only difference is they are now wrestling with getting the DPF to work right on the new common rail types. They got the one right; they'll get the other.

rScotty

 

[tomt574]

Yep. The fact is that doing that successfully is pretty much part of the job description for any technician. Herding anything is always going to turn into a rodeo.

As far as the engineers themselves, they're still pretty much the same group who designed those older diesels. Only difference is they are now wrestling with getting the DPF to work right on the new common rail types. They got the one right; they'll get the other.

rScotty

Yes sir. I have to say i have been impressed with the new Duramax. I was sceptical about buying the new Deisel but have been impressed with it. 2019 model i have racked up 30k miles on it and all is good. I have left it bone stock. Hope it gives me many years of use. I hope this new 2020 TYM 574 does the same. Love the features just nervous about the regen

 

[Hay Dude]

Tomt574,

I greatly appreciate the sacrifices made by our oil field workers. Dirty, dangerous work, like my job job-farming.
I am down to GM and RAM for a new truck. Did you always want a GM or did you even look at RAM?

 

[tomt574]

Tomt574,

I greatly appreciate the sacrifices made by our oil field workers. Dirty, dangerous work, like my job job-farming.
I am down to GM and RAM for a new truck. Did you always want a GM or did you even look at RAM?

Yes Sir. We appreciate our Farmers. A lot of the guys I work with, their Dads are Farmers and they Farm when they home so thank you I know its a hard life. No I actually never owned a Diesel GM truck before. I had a 2012 Dodge Cummins and loved it. Never gave me any problems. I passed it on to my Son and its still going strong. Before that I had Fords and when they came out with the 6.0 liter Ford I went through 2 of them do to the emissions. The wife said she better never see another Ford in the driveway..lol. My Son actually talked me in to trying out the GM so I gave it a try. I do like the new Dodge though. Very Nice

 

[Tomtint]

If it's were me, and my euipment was being dogged by DPF and EGR screw ups.....off with it.

 

[robbyr]

Yes Sir. We appreciate our Farmers. A lot of the guys I work with, their Dads are Farmers and they Farm when they home so thank you I know its a hard life. No I actually never owned a Diesel GM truck before. I had a 2012 Dodge Cummins and loved it. Never gave me any problems. I passed it on to my Son and its still going strong. Before that I had Fords and when they came out with the 6.0 liter Ford I went through 2 of them do to the emissions. The wife said she better never see another Ford in the driveway..lol. My Son actually talked me in to trying out the GM so I gave it a try. I do like the new Dodge though. Very Nice

I had a 2012 Dodge Ram 2500. Had a local shop do the delete. Never did get the tuner just right. Traded it in on a 19 F250 Powerstroke. In the Ford group I'm in, apparently it's a common belief that the 6.7 is much better than the 6.0.

 

[Snobdds]

The EPA stopped allowing the tuning companies to due "offroad" tunes only. There is no way to delete a truck anymore. The era is over.

The EPA has taken 95% of the exhaust pollutants out of diesel. The last 5% is going to be the most costly and most problem fueled. They need to know when to say it's good enough. However bureaucrats need to justify their job and they will never stop the pursuit of a utopian perceived environment.

 

[rScotty]

In late 1996 we bought a new Ford 7.3 powerstoke diesel 4x4 stick. By 2001, we added up the engine repairs and discovered that at 175,000 miles we had spent more on diesel engine work than the entire truck had cost when new. That's not including a brand new "engine complete" exchange which was installed at 50K miles.

Never one to learn quick, we next bought a new 2001 7.3 powerstoke in the same configuration but an automatic 4x4 this time. That truck now has 200,000 miles and has required nothing but regular maintenance. Go figure.
rScotty

 

[tomt574]

I had a 2012 Dodge Ram 2500. Had a local shop do the delete. Never did get the tuner just right. Traded it in on a 19 F250 Powerstroke. In the Ford group I'm in, apparently it's a common belief that the 6.7 is much better than the 6.0.

Without a doubt the 6.7 is a much better truck. I have friends that run them with no issues. The 6.0 was a nightmare with the EGR issues. I had the 7.3 before that and wish I had just stayed in it. But seems as though they have gotten things right with the 6.7. My 2012 i drove it home from the dealer and deleted everything. Used H&S tuner, ran turbo back exhaust with no cat or dpf, egr delete, larger inner cooler, throttle body delete. H&S intake manifold. Its a fine running truck.

 

[tomt574]

The EPA stopped allowing the tuning companies to due "offroad" tunes only. There is no way to delete a truck anymore. The era is over.

The EPA has taken 95% of the exhaust pollutants out of diesel. The last 5% is going to be the most costly and most problem fueled. They need to know when to say it's good enough. However bureaucrats need to justify their job and they will never stop the pursuit of a utopian perceived environment.

yes you are right. There are a couple that offer the tunes but I cant afford it. PPEI out of Lake Charles Louisiana has them. To do My 2019 Duramax just the tune is about $5500. thats not counting the delete kits for EGR and the exhaust to delete the DPF. To rich for me.

 

[tomt574]

In late 1996 we bought a new Ford 7.3 powerstoke diesel 4x4 stick. By 2001, we added up the engine repairs and discovered that at 175,000 miles we had spent more on diesel engine work than the entire truck had cost when new. That's not including a brand new "engine complete" exchange which was installed at 50K miles.

Never one to learn quick, we next bought a new 2001 7.3 powerstoke in the same configuration but an automatic 4x4 this time. That truck now has 200,000 miles and has required nothing but regular maintenance. Go figure.
rScotty

Yes I had that 2001 7.3 model and traded in on that 2005 like a dumb ***. The 2005 was such a piece of crap the dealer did a buy back and put me in a 2007 which the EGR went out twice and 2 turbos. That was when the wife stepped in cause we were stranded with a 40' fifth wheel on vacation and told me she never wanted to see another Ford in the driveway. I traded in on the Dodge.

 

[the old grind]

..The EPA has taken 95% of the exhaust pollutants out of diesel. The last 5% is going to be the most costly and most problem fueled. They need to know when to say it's good enough. However bureaucrats need to justify their job and they will never stop the pursuit of a utopian perceived environment.

IMO the above make 100% sense in a real World and without one single comma. :thumbsup:

 

[Snobdds]

It's funny some people never understood the 6.0. I think it's one of the best engines out there. The bottom end will never fail. The coolant was the root cause of everything. Change the coolant ever 3 years or 30,000 and it's fine.

My dad had 6.0's with over 600,000 in his construction fleet. Fluid maintenance was key...

 

[tomt574]

It's funny some people never understood the 6.0. I think it's one of the best engines out there. The bottom end will never fail. The coolant was the root cause of everything. Change the coolant ever 3 years or 30,000 and it's fine.

My dad had 6.0's with over 600,000 in his construction fleet. Fluid maintenance was key...

Exactly right. At the time i never really understood it. But the engine was not the issue. It was the emission system. I was unaware of the coolant system issue. Had I known what I learned later on I would have deleted The EGR on day 1. The coolant system ran through the EGR to lower the exhaust gas temp that was being run back through the intake. The EGR valve deverted this through the EGR. Problem was the port hole in the EGR were so small it would clog. The coolant lines in the EGR ruptured and then came the steam barreling out the exhaust. The truck over heated and you were dead in the water. First time this happened I was miles in the woods by myself hanging stands in the summer. Long walk to civilization. Happened more than once. Left a bad taste in my mouth because about these new emissions.