Particulate filter delete

[fried1765]

Actually you are only part correct. Edge, H&S, Bully Dog,..etc all have gotten around this issue because it stated off road use only. I have deleted all my Diesel trucks after owning 2 that gave nothing but trouble do to EGR and DPF emission systems. This is nothing but a political money grab and a nightmare for equipment. You are correct that they were slapped with fines. Edge and H&S but both now sell under off road use only. At the end of the day it is a shame that this crap has now made its way on to Tractors.

I will NEVER buy ANY tractor with ANY emissions crap!
But......I am an old guy.

 

[tomt574]

Beginning last fall, the epa has been going after the 鍍uners with big fines and cease and desist orders. There is no such thing as getting around the laws by putting an off road only sticker on a controller to skirt the law anymore.

Many of the tuners have withdrawn from the market after receiving huge fines.

Very true. Its a shame these bogus laws were put in place to begin with. I guess in the meantime we will just have to deal with the B.S. climate change emissions system and line the politicians pockets. Anyone with a basic understanding of how these engines work know that we are not saving the environment but burning more. Oh well. Its all over but the crying cause it will only get worse.

 

[Jstpssng]

Say what you want, but I like breathing clean air. You may think that all of the black smoke that comes out of your tailpipe just disappears, but I don't believe in magic. One need only look at photos of Los Angeles and New York from back in the '60s to realize what those laws have accomplished, which some of you scoff at.

 

[tomt574]

Say what you want, but I like breathing clean air. You may think that all of the black smoke that comes out of your tailpipe just disappears, but I don't believe in magic. One need only look at photos of Los Angeles and New York from back in the '60s to realize what those laws have accomplished, which some of you scoff at.

My friend I like breathing clean air also. I have been in the oil field for 35 years. I work on Diesel engines everyday. We had to put emissions on all engines. We went from burning 3 gallons an hour on an engine to 5 gallons an hour. More fuel burn means refineries need to refine more fuel. Where do you think energy comes from. Also where do you think Urea come from. They have plants. All of this is just a larger foot print. This is where you have been fooled. I see it from a different set of eyes. You just fill up your truck or tractor and think nothing of it. I have been in it from where it comes out the ground to where it is refined and i can tell you that they have you fooled. The air is no cleaner now than 15 years ago. Only thing different is the politicians are getting rich of this crap because of ill informed people. Glad you happy with it. And by the way if its rolling black smoke its out of tune. I wont even get into Los Angelas

 

[the old grind]

The LA area had bad smog when it was inhabited solely by Native Americans because of its topography. It's more an extreme example than in any way a typical one. Apples to oranges, some would say.

I suggest that people who burn mounds of wet leaves and/or green wood will put more unburned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere in one long day than one my 1.1L, 1.5L, or 1.7L EGR/DOC Tier 2 & 4A tractors do in half as many hours.

So we might want to look again a wood gasification, ... or wait for catalytic converters required for campfires.

 

[RandyT]

Beginning last fall, the epa has been going after the 鍍uners with big fines and cease and desist orders. There is no such thing as getting around the laws by putting an off road only sticker on a controller to skirt the law anymore.

Many of the tuners have withdrawn from the market after receiving huge fines.

One of the lawn mower manufacturing companies that I am a service center for stopped supplying the special tools to adjust the carb on the 2 stroke engines because the EPA said that since the dealers don't have the multi thousand dollar testing equipment to confirm that the weedeater or chainsaw is still operating within emissions standards they could be a potential target for supplying emissions tools to unqualified personnel. And the dealers could also be fined for not having the special equipment.

 

[finn1]

Those that have been brainwashed into thinking that reducing engine emissions aren’t a worthwhile endeavor have your head in the sand. Air quality in the LA basin, for example is much better now than it was in the 1960s despite a population that has probably doubled.

I like my Diesel tractor that doesn’t stink.

 

[4570Man]

Those that have been brainwashed into thinking that reducing engine emissions aren’t a worthwhile endeavor have your head in the sand. Air quality in the LA basin, for example is much better now than it was in the 1960s despite a population that has probably doubled.

I like my Diesel tractor that doesn’t stink.

There’s a huge difference between a 10 year old tractor that runs with hardly any noticeable emissions and a 1960s diesel that bellows smoke constantly.

 

[tomt574]

There痴 a huge difference between a 10 year old tractor that runs with hardly any noticeable emissions and a 1960s diesel that bellows smoke constantly.

EXACTLY

 

[the old grind]

In the '60s (late) America's cars had carburetors and point ignitions. In my neighborhood there was a car from the '40s or '50s on every other block.

There might have been a few 40's '50s cars in LA then too unless they rust out younger than around here where we build 'em. :scratchchin:

So far in the '20s, I'm happy with my own Tier 2 & 4T CUTs and with doing my best in the Midwest for clean air in Michigan's basins, too.

 

[tomt574]

In the '60s (late) America's cars had carburetors and point ignitions. In my neighborhood there was a car from the '40s or '50s on every other block.

There might have been a few 40's '50s cars in LA then too unless they rust out younger than around here where we build 'em. :scratchchin:

So far in the '20s, I'm happy with my own Tier 2 & 4T CUTs and with doing my best in the Midwest for clean air in Michigan's basins, too.

Yes huge difference in carburetors and point ignition vs electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition. I love the features of my new model tractor just hate the regeneration system. Im sure with out it instead of a 55hp tractor it would be a 60hp tractor. It is amazing what happens when you let it breath.

 

[finn1]

Yes huge difference in carburetors and point ignition vs electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition. I love the features of my new model tractor just hate the regeneration system. Im sure with out it instead of a 55hp tractor it would be a 60hp tractor. It is amazing what happens when you let it breath.

The DPF isn’t a giant cork in your exhaust system. It’s either a porous ceramic matrix that you can actually see through or a metal matrix, along with some catalyst materials. The DPF essentially replaces the muffler, so there is no power loss due to increased back pressure.

Why this hate you talk about? It isn’t rational.

 

[tomt574]

The DPF isn稚 a giant cork in your exhaust system. It痴 either a porous ceramic matrix that you can actually see through or a metal matrix, along with some catalyst materials. The DPF essentially replaces the muffler, so there is no power loss due to increased back pressure.

Why this hate you talk about? It isn稚 rational.

Im not talking hate and I am very aware of how the DPF and EGR system works. Your statement on it not causing back pressure tells me you do not understand how it works. A DPF filter has a differential pressure across it. When that set DPF is reached a command is sent to burn it off using what ever the media is for that system. Urea, Deisel..etc. you can not have a Defferentual without back pressure. I work on the all the time. As your DPF gets older it will take less time to accumulate particulates do to built up residue. I have removed many and seen the difference in horse power as well as fuel economy. I have also had to install them and seen the lack of efficiency. Please spare me the bro science. FYI, a DPF does not essentially replace the muffler. 2 totally different animals. A muffler does exactly what it says. Muffles sound. Geez man, please

 

[tomt574]

The DPF isn’t a giant cork in your exhaust system. It’s either a porous ceramic matrix that you can actually see through or a metal matrix, along with some catalyst materials. The DPF essentially replaces the muffler, so there is no power loss due to increased back pressure.

Why this hate you talk about? It isn’t rational.

Here is one of the little diesel's we work on daily
Not trying to talk hate just facts. Apparently if someone has something that does not go in line with what you assume then its hate. I deal in facts not ********

 

[rScotty]

There痴 a huge difference between a 10 year old tractor that runs with hardly any noticeable emissions and a 1960s diesel that bellows smoke constantly.

Yes, well said. You make a good point.

And although I wish we could have gotten here without regulation & enforcement, human beings just don't seem to be capable of doing so.
Afterall, the air belongs to everyone. I'm proud that our's is good enough to share.
rScotty

 

[ptsg]

The DPF isn’t a giant cork in your exhaust system. It’s either a porous ceramic matrix that you can actually see through or a metal matrix, along with some catalyst materials. The DPF essentially replaces the muffler, so there is no power loss due to increased back pressure.

Why this hate you talk about? It isn’t rational.

Then, why there are couple threads where the DPF plugged so badly that the engine wouldn't even turn? And the dealer had to take the emergency plug out of the DPF so they could load the tractor?

I'm guessing you haven't had any emissions issues yet. Unfortunately, it's just a matter of time though.

 

[Hay Dude]

I was told diesel soot becomes a ground pollutant as it eventually falls to the earth? How long the particles å��loat in the atmosphere would be interesting to know. I realize air temp, winds, etc are just a few of the influencing factors. It just make me wonder how much good it does for the particles to be super small and suspended in the air rather than bigger particles falling to ground faster? Then there’s ´ ground pollution from soot, a whole 創other topic.

I have 3 6.4L Fords in my truck fleet and they have been a love/hate ownership experience. The engines run super strong, which I love, but the hate revolves around the DPF.
I notice periods of super smoke clouds, yet my tailpipes look like shiny silverware. Very little exhaust tip soot staining. Does this mean the big exhaust clouds are made up of fine particles? Or is it irrelevant. During these periods of smoke, some of the more friendly fellow drivers greet me with the universal greeting sign as they angrily accelerate past me.
I don’t know all the science, just everyday practical use. The DPF on the truck isn’t a fun accessory to operate and maintain. Had one “concerned environmentalist” actually get out of his car at a red light and tell me what a horrible person I was.

 

[finn1]

Here is one of the little diesel's we work on dailyView attachment 644516
Not trying to talk hate just facts. Apparently if someone has something that does not go in line with what you assume then its hate. I deal in facts not ********

I only worked on Diesel Perdormance and emissions for thirty five years, in product development engineering for a Diesel engine manufacturer, so what do I know?

Yes, there were some teething problems, but a properly functioning DPF is relatively seamless, and raises back pressure an inconsequential amount.

 

[RickB]

Apparently part of what you do not know is what happens to these engineering marvels in real world conditions.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Yup.