Comparison Orange versus Orange

[TheRegMan]

Good clarification Dmace! Thanks. You know, I'm sure Tailrotor knows the difference between a utility tractor and an industrial type TLB so I'm not even sure why he responded with such a post.

Tailrotor, A DK40SE is about $21,000. You think I can pick up a new L45 for that price? Probably closer to double that price.

I had a Kubota (L3400) and they are good pieces of equipment but you have to buy a Grand series to compare to the Kioti and you certainly can not buy a comparable Grand series for the same money and the Kubota is still going to have an inferior loader when compared to the KL401. Check out L5740 specs and compare the loader specs to the loader on a 41 horse Kioti.

 

[tractorjackleg]

Just the info I saw

You can't win man. This is the way every thread that involves Kioti ends up. The pack is going to beat it into you that their tractors are the best... period.

I'm sure I'll get hammered for this post so I will take my toys, go home, and avoid this thread now.

 

[Dmace]

You can't win man. This is the way every thread that involves Kioti ends up. The pack is going to beat it into you that their tractors are the best... period.

Nobody is saying they are the best, simply that they are very comparable to the "Big 3" and you just can't say that if you don't buy a JD or Kubota then you are getting junk. There are very comparable tractors out there and more options for the end user then just the "Big 3".

 

[TheRegMan]

I don't necessarily agree they are the best. There are alot of good tractors; Kubota, Deere, Mahindra, Agco products, as well Kioti. I'd be proud to own any of them. There's no question though that I believe Kioti is the best value for your money you can find for a quality tractor! I do certainly like the strong loaders on the Kioti's though!!

 

[Tailrotor]

Good clarification Dmace! Thanks. You know, I'm sure Tailrotor knows the difference between a utility tractor and an industrial type TLB so I'm not even sure why he responded with such a post.

Tailrotor, A DK40SE is about $21,000. You think I can pick up a new L45 for that price? Probably closer to double that price.

I had a Kubota (L3400) and they are good pieces of equipment but you have to buy a Grand series to compare to the Kioti and you certainly can not buy a comparable Grand series for the same money and the Kubota is still going to have an inferior loader when compared to the KL401. Check out L5740 specs and compare the loader specs to the loader on a 41 horse Kioti.

Ok guys, after reading the Kioti site. I see the specs are a little more 227lbs hardly call that inferior. But you also must read the fine print on the Kioti site at the bottom. The specs that they give are max specs. And this loader fits on the DK-SE50 and a few others. Which would be the max specs for that load attached to that Machine,the DK- SE50, Not the DK40. And I can bet you the DK - SE 40 has a different spec sheet. Read the fine PRINT!!

 

[Illini22]

I have a b 7100 hat and it runs great but I really want a loader. As most posters know here it's hard to find a used loader ( reasonably priced). So I a
looking and hopeing I can get a tractor with a loader. I'm mad I didn't spring for a bobcat ct 230 last summer and hopeing kioti or bobcat come out with a similar deal because I believe they are by far by a long long way the best value. And I really like my b 7100, but I know it's night and day to even kioti's small tractor the ck20s.

 

[TheRegMan]

Tailrotor, the DK40 and the DK50 are pretty much the exact same tractor except for engine. They are the same frame, same size, a couple of hundred pounds difference in weight and they have identical hydraulic flow. The specs you have read are for the FEL and are the same for both tractors.

I'm not saying the LA854 is not a good loader; it is but, why should you have to get a 52 or 57 horse Kubota to come close to matching what you can get with a 41 horse Kioti?

As I've said before, I've owned a kubota and they are excellent machines. To me, It's really a question of value and the better value (to me) is clearly with the Kioti.

Would I be happy to have an L4240 / L4740 / L5240 or an L5740? Certainly I would!!! I just wouldn't be very happy to pay the premium price just for the sake of having the Kubota name? If you have one, I'm happy for you. They are good machines. I'm buying a new one pretty soon and for me, it will be the Kioti this time. My L3400 didn't even match up to the DK35SE.

 

[Tailrotor]

Tailrotor, the DK40 and the DK50 are pretty much the exact same tractor except for engine. They are the same frame, same size, a couple of hundred pounds difference in weight and they have identical hydraulic flow. The specs you have read are for the FEL and are the same for both tractors.

I'm not saying the LA854 is not a good loader; it is but, why should you have to get a 52 or 57 horse Kubota to come close to matching what you can get with a 41 horse Kioti?

As I've said before, I've owned a kubota and they are excellent machines. To me, It's really a question of value and the better value (to me) is clearly with the Kioti.

Would I be happy to have an L4240 / L4740 / L5240 or an L5740? Certainly I would!!! I just wouldn't be very happy to pay the premium price just for the sake of having the Kubota name? If you have one, I'm happy for you. They are good machines. I'm buying a new one pretty soon and for me, it will be the Kioti this time. My L3400 didn't even match up to the DK35SE.

TheRegMan

No matter what ,the Kubota will always be more money. I understand you point about value and money. But if you completely disassembled the two tractors part by part / piece by piece you would see the difference in the two Brands. You will see more time and money has been put into the kubota along with types of metal and gears. And I do Own one I have a L45 TLB / BX2230. And at one time also B26 All have been outstanding machines with no problems.

But thats what make this site great you can choose what you like and still agree they are both good tractors for the Money.

 

[TheRegMan]

I saw a picture of your L45. Sweet Machine!! Tailrotor, you may be right about the difference in the two brands but I have my doubts. There are just too many Kioti owners out there that absolutely love their machines. When I test drove one recently, I was very impressed!!

I asked someone on this forum a while back, "As well respected of a name as Bobcat is, do you think they would put their name on a Kioti tractor without doing extensive research and being satisfied it is a quality tractor?" I don't think they would risk their reputation like that. I see Bobcat (Kioti) tractors showing at the rental yards where John Deere's used to be. They are going to take some abuse.

I'm completely satisfied it is a quality machine! Not unlike your L45

 

[Tailrotor]

I saw a picture of your L45. Sweet Machine!! Tailrotor, you may be right about the difference in the two brands but I have my doubts. There are just too many Kioti owners out there that absolutely love their machines. When I test drove one recently, I was very impressed!!

I asked someone on this forum a while back, "As well respected of a name as Bobcat is, do you think they would put their name on a Kioti tractor without doing extensive research and being satisfied it is a quality tractor?" I don't think they would risk their reputation like that. I see Bobcat (Kioti) tractors showing at the rental yards where John Deere's used to be. They are going to take some abuse.

I'm completely satisfied it is a quality machine! Not unlike your L45

TheRegMan;

I agree with you I have no question they are both good Machines and to each his own. ( And pocket book ). Good talking with ya, And good night.

 

[TheRegMan]

Good night buddy

 

[Loren49]

Tailrotor quote:

"But if you completely disassembled the two tractors part by part / piece by piece you would see the difference in the two Brands. You will see more time and money has been put into the kubota along with types of metal and gears."

Is there any evidence that Kubota uses better types of metal? I predict that the precision and quality of gears is similar. My tractor has greater dimensions of metal components and is heavier than a similar hp Kubota. Seems that bigger and heavier doesn't imply inferior quality.

I feel that there are some advantages to the "big 3" but it is minimal on the area of quality. IMO

Just my 2 cents,
Loren

 

[MDM]

It will take 15 yrs to sort out this argument. Sure everyone is happy, because 95% have less than 500 hours on their machine. 12, 15 years down the road is when we will see the quality sort this out. If the Kioti machines are of equal quality and so much cheaper than the big boys, then surely in 10-15 years they will own a much, much larger market share.

 

[Gittyup]

TheRegMan

No matter what ,the Kubota will always be more money. I understand you point about value and money. But if you completely disassembled the two tractors part by part / piece by piece you would see the difference in the two Brands.

And you have some basis upon which you make this statement? Are you aware of the component specifications and sources used by both? Do you have data that demonstrates that a statistically significant number of Kioti parts fail more often than do those on a Kubota? Have you thoroughly examined them yourself and have the qualifications to judge?

It's one thing to say that, in general, Kubota is a more mature product with fewer problems reported. I think this can be supported. It's quite another to say the above. Such statements without substantiation just make you lose credibility, leaving the impression that you are as color blind as anyone.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Chris, I'm touched. We don't normally see eye to eye. Then again this isn't a "best truck" thread.

Just because we do not agree on one subject does not mean we can not agree on another. If I was shopping today the Kioti would be on top of my list. Well probably the BobCat version but same thing since they have a dealer only 4 miles from me and the Kioti is 25 miles.

Chris

 

[IslandTractor]

As a two time Kioti owner for five years I have watched a lot of these threads and must say that I get tired of the Kioti crowd defensiveness. However, it is something that I am sure happened in the early days with Kubota vs JD as well so it may just be a natural progression in the acceptance of a new brand. Recall how the name Hyundai used to be a joke along with Yugo and old Fiats in the car world. You don't hear the name Hyundai mentioned that way anymore and Toyota and Honda as well as all the car mags certainly don't dismiss them as worthy competitors either. Hyundai's aren't generally "better" than Toyotas or Hondas, they just offer very similar quality at a much better price. That is essentially what Kioti is doing with regard to Green, Blue and "Other Orange" tractors. Bang for the buck is the Hyundai and Kioti mantra.

It may be in vain but we could tone down these color wars if one side (I am suggesting the Kioti crowd) simply presented facts or reasoned opinions plainly rather than matching whatever dismissive or inaccurate statement is made by someone who doesn't yet appreciate what Kioti offers compared to the other brands. If you look closely at who participates in these unnecessarily nasty threads it is typically someone relatively new questioning Kioti quality and then the same crowd of Kioti owners (myself included) jumping in to dismiss the newcomers points. I'm not saying that we shouldn't correct these sorts of misconceptions but it would keep things more civil if we (the Kioti crowd) were a bit more patient and simply and plainly presented alternative points rather than jumping down the throats of those with different (i.e. naive ) viewpoints.

 

[jake98]

I think a lot of it is there's a bunch of jealousy over the way-cool sounding 'Kioti' name. What's a 'Kubota'? Sounds like a hollow log ya paddle across the swamp or something.

 

[Tailrotor]

Tailrotor quote:

"But if you completely disassembled the two tractors part by part / piece by piece you would see the difference in the two Brands. You will see more time and money has been put into the kubota along with types of metal and gears."

Is there any evidence that Kubota uses better types of metal? I predict that the precision and quality of gears is similar. My tractor has greater dimensions of metal components and is heavier than a similar hp Kubota. Seems that bigger and heavier doesn't imply inferior quality.

I feel that there are some advantages to the "big 3" but it is minimal on the area of quality. IMO

Just my 2 cents,
Loren

Ok, To answer your question. I will give you a quick example.
Lets say you have a Snap-On Wrench and a Wrench from the Big Box Store.
Both are good Wrench's and do the same job day in and day out. But in the end you will ware the Big Box Store wrench out first.

Because it was bad or junk No! Because of different Manufacturing that will determined the longevity of the wrench. Type of metal , Metal hardening, the make up of the metal, tensile strength , shear strength, wear ability, I could go on and on.

But these are things that go into both of the different brand tractors I am not saying the Kioti owners have bought a inferior tractor or you should have got the Kubota. I just speak from 25 years as a mechanic that I have see the difference between good and bad design.

There is a reason the tractors cost more and not just the name. We are not buying a pair of Jeans with a name tag that has a fancy name tag and no difference other then that. I have seen Kubota tractors with thousands and thousand of hours on them and are still working and running today.

Thats not to say kioti will not be the same But! until then I think you get what you pay for.

Good luck to all the Kioti owners and I sincerely mean that we are all Orange Brothers in the end and I am done with this subject. Thank You for the Fun!!!

 

[Tailrotor]

And you have some basis upon which you make this statement? Are you aware of the component specifications and sources used by both? Do you have data that demonstrates that a statistically significant number of Kioti parts fail more often than do those on a Kubota? Have you thoroughly examined them yourself and have the qualifications to judge?

It's one thing to say that, in general, Kubota is a more mature product with fewer problems reported. I think this can be supported. It's quite another to say the above. Such statements without substantiation just make you lose credibility, leaving the impression that you are as color blind as anyone.

Gittyup

See my response to Loren49

 

[TripleR]

This was an interesting thread for a while and I even began to think more highly of Kioti, but the hostility and fanaticism of some of the Kioti owners is just too much. Most of us tend to think our tractors are the "best", why else would we buy them, but all this hostility and attacks will sure keep me away from the Kioti forum for any research.

I do agree with one poster that only a lot of years of use is really going to reveal true quality as a few hundred hours doesn't tell you anything.