Operator not in seat

[garth466]

How can I get around that in a 3120? Somehow one wire was sliced and I have it barely connected now. I've always hated this feature because I can't even lift my *** up to scratch it without shutting down. If the two wires are connected, will that fool it?

I'm all for safety! That being said, I am in charge of my own safety and don't need this shut-off.

 

[arlen4720]

Yes, jumpering the 2 wires will defeat it. Do you have eHydro? I think that the safety isn't too bad on those. It just stops movement, unless the PTO is running. It would be handy to raise up off the seat a little for better visibility when using forks.

 

[SteveO89]

On my massey ferguson I unhooked the wire at the switch under the seat and put a jumper wire to connect the two wires. I would think that a john deere would be the same.

 

[farmeratheart]

I ran one of those wires through a switch that I picked up from TSC. That way I could have the safety feature in place for normal operation, but could easily circumvent it for "off seat" work like working with the chipper behind the tractor. I mounted the toggle switch on the fender under the edge of the seat. It makes a convenient kill switch during the off seat work too!

Frank

 

[LJH]

Apparently my Baby John's former daddy bypassed that little annoyance too. :thumbsup: I think I'll call him up and thank him!

 

[hawkeye08]

I was looking at mine (Kubota L3130) yesterday thinking that a rubber band holding that lever down that operates the switch just might do the trick...

 

[Wagtail]

There's another thread going on about defeating the operator-not-in-seat safety switch... It has to do with opertating the PTO for something like a splitter. There's a proposed 3-way switch circuit that has been proposed.

That being said, I know you've said that you're in charge of your own safety BUT that switch is there for a reason. The manufacturer didn't waste time/money putting it there just to tick people off. :2cents:

 

[Reg]

How can I get around that in a 3120? Somehow one wire was sliced and I have it barely connected now. I've always hated this feature because I can't even lift my *** up to scratch it without shutting down. If the two wires are connected, will that fool it?

I'm all for safety! That being said, I am in charge of my own safety and don't need this shut-off.

You DO need it.

There are about as many "How do I defeat the xyz interlock" topics as there are "death due to bypassed switch".
Safety is no accident (old saw).
Absence of safety IS an accident - maybe not immediately, maybe not for a week, month, or year, but it is WAITING to happen.

Keep both hands on the wheel and don't stand up, scratch yourself some other time.
Pay attention, etc.

 

[greg_g]

Spoken like a true OSHA fan. Most interlocks of this nature are lawyer-driven - by the Nanny state and/or corporate lawyers - looking to stay one step ahead of litigious owners. FWIW, there's another "old saw" that says interlocks eventually defeat common sense. Do you not find it ironic that one of the initial steps in competently isolating an electro-mechanical problem is to bypass the associated interlock(s)?

//greg//

 

[Reg]

Spoken like a true OSHA fan. Most interlocks of this nature are lawyer-driven - by the Nanny state and/or corporate lawyers - looking to stay one step ahead of litigious owners. FWIW, there's another "old saw" that says interlocks eventually defeat common sense. Do you not find it ironic that one of the initial steps in competently isolating an electro-mechanical problem is to bypass the associated interlock(s)?

//greg//

My understanding of the English language is sufficient to know what irony is.
Bypassing of interlocks as a TROUBLESHOOTING technique is quite independent of disabling them for *** scratching convenience.

Read the stats, we DO need protection from our own foolishness and we need to NOT disable such protection.
Duhh, but that stuff is for fools and we ain't them, right ?
(foolishness, moments of inattention, carelessness, unexpected factors, call 'em what Ya will, factors combine and people get hurt.)

WRT operating a chipper or other PTO implements when stationary and off the tractor; On INTELLIGENTLY designed and implemented tractors the seat interlock is logically OR'd with neutral AND'd with brake.
IOW if you are in neutral and the brake is applied you CAN get off the seat (to operate the chipper, scratch, whatever else)

Ooops, Sorry - my bad.
This is a JD sub forum - "intelligently designed and implemented" are my working assumptions from elsewhere.

Regardless, the O/P may want to think this through to implement something OTHER than just a simple short circuit.
It takes THOUGHT and maybe a bit more time, but the neutral and brake switches are there and COULD be used.

 

[Notforhire]

This is a JD sub forum - "intelligently designed and implemented" are my working assumptions from elsewhere.

My guess is you won't be buying any JD products in the future?

Safety features on imported equipment are sometimes after thoughts, and not part of the original design. They are installed as required for import to the USA. Look at a grey market tractor sometime.

Bill

 

[megotatractor]

hate the safety seat! can't even lift a cheek for a better view!

 

[Notforhire]

hate the safety seat! can't even lift a cheek for a better view!

The "safety seat" system on my 5055E doesn't kill the engine. There is a buzzer that lets you know that you didn't disengage the PTO, ect. I expect that there is something in the regs. that doesn't require an engine kill over a certain size tractor???

Kubota has a system that allows the PTO to run if the operators seat is flipped up. There must be a timer relay that gives you several seconds to get up, and flip the seat before the engine is killed.
You can get a "better view" with the Kubota system but you better be quick about it.

Bill

 

[nwltruck]

Please protect me so I don't have to think! The world is full of this stuff. ABS and traction control so I don't need to know how to drive. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad MOST people have these things. More and more people need them every day. Jumper the wires and use your head.........

 

[buickanddeere]

I've always hated this feature because I can't even lift my *** up to scratch it without shutting down.

Try using those wet baby wipes on those tender roids.

 

[greg_g]

Randy - you're using an awful big brush to paint your picture. Please note that I qualified my opinion with the words "interlocks of this nature". NGFS and compact tractor operation are NOT of the same nature.

//greg//

 

[k0ua]

Interesting that my new Kioti does not have the seat interlock. My Kubota's did. You can raise up out of the seat and see the end of your forks better. It does have the start interlock, in that you must be in Neutral range to start the engine.

 

[Notforhire]

Interesting that my new Kioti does not have the seat interlock. My Kubota's did. You can raise up out of the seat and see the end of your forks better. It does have the start interlock, in that you must be in Neutral range to start the engine.

I wonder if the regs. change according to weight class?

 

[Reg]

My guess is you won't be buying any JD products in the future?

Safety features on imported equipment are sometimes after thoughts, and not part of the original design. They are installed as required for import to the USA. Look at a grey market tractor sometime.

Bill

Lets not pretend that JD produces anything much more than the nameplate for any of their li'tul twacktors.
Last time I checked everything under about 85 HP was of Asian origin.
The nameplates ? I don't know where those are stamped out.

As the importer one would think a company has SOME product responsibility, even for afterthought safety interlocks.
Maybe, maybe not - just stick a few interlock micro-switches in, slap danger stickers (in whatever required language) on it - done.