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Where did it fail? How about "entirely"? Drawbar is bowed, tabs that attach to the center steering knuckle bent, and the tabs that attach to the drawbar of the tractor bent. The center steering knuckle bent and the tube welded below it that is the pivot point for the wagon drawbar collapsed as well. I'm buying some material today to repair it and I'm going to go to my BIL's machine shop to make the repairs. I'll try to remember to bring along my wife's digital camera to document the repairs...
 
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Wow - timely posts as I was considering buying one of these. Do you both have the trailer style or does either of you have the "wagon" style. I would suspect that the wagon style would have less issues with the drawbar bending.

Pictures are good.
 
/ Off Road Dump Trailers Revisted... #93  
The drawbar is 3" x 4.10 bar channel which is fairly strong and rigid stuff. It's the same stuff I use on when I build clamp-on pallet forks. It's good for taking loads on the top and the sides but not from the bottom, which would happen if you are backing up (it would tend to bow up from the bottom).

The hitch on the end is only welded on the end of the tab and will probably fail sooner than later. I think we have already seen one failure there.

On construction, I would not have used 2" x 1/4" angle for the h-frame but would have went with 2.5" x 1/4" or used the 3" x 4.10 bar channel. What I don't like is the cross members for the bed. They are 1.5" x 3/16" angle sitting with the edge up. I would have gone with 1/4" and the flat side up. However, they did use 3" x 4.10 bar channel for the long members on the bed.

What gives these units their weight rating is the axles, the wheels, and the bottom frame design (h-frame). The Kory has smaller wheels but slightly larger axles but uses a weaker x-frame design to get their 3000 lb rating as opposed the the Country Mfg's 4000 lb rating.

From my perspective, for the price you cannot build one cheaper. What you can do is make a few minor mods and make these wagons real workhorses. They were not designed, nor are they marketed as substitutes for full blown construction dump wagons. These are light estate wagons and should be treated as such.
 
/ Off Road Dump Trailers Revisted... #94  
I have the wagon; and the bent drawbar.

I agree with Mad's comments above; they are estate wagons not full-blown construction wagons however there are some serious design flaws.
One of the ones I tried to fix this weekend was the upside down king pins I mentioned in a previous post. Now I know why they did it that way; you can't install the pins from the top down as the support for the dump frame gets in the way. I'm going to have to look at that again as I can't see having the pins supported solely by a cotter pin...?
For the money you get something that is usable for light duty work and it definately gives you a base to build upon. However, if I had paid the full and not the sale price I think I'd have a different opinion...
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What I don't like is the cross members for the bed. They are 1.5" x 3/16" angle sitting with the edge up. I would have gone with 1/4" and the flat side up. )</font>
Yeah ... or just used some 1.5" x 3/16" box tube ... probably would have made the bed frame less prone to flexing.

I think the bed hinge mechanisim could be a little heavier on the mounting .... three or four V's instead of two .... and it could be a little tighter fit on the hinge pin (and make it greasable) .... this would probably eliminate some of the tendency to flex and move around.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( They were not designed, nor are they marketed as substitutes for full blown construction dump wagons. These are light estate wagons and should be treated as such. )</font>
Spot on ...... however you would think that someone would build a product that was a little heavier duty without being huge ... dunno .... maybe someone does .... I just haven't seen it.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( However, if I had paid the full and not the sale price I think I'd have a different opinion... )</font>
Exactly my thoughts - for the sale price, it's reasonable product ..... at the normal price, they come up way short in my opinion.
 
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Trailer here.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yeah ... or just used some 1.5" x 3/16" box tube ... probably would have made the bed frame less prone to flexing. )</font>

Probably not much. It would depend on which direction the forces come from. Box tubing is not always the best answer although it is always the most expensive answer. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

In a lot of applications bar channel (aka c-channel) will give as much and sometimes even more strength than than tubing. Most, if not all, heavy duty construction trailers use bar channel for their frames.
 
/ Off Road Dump Trailers Revisted... #98  
I just had a go at making my own wagon.
Winter/Spring project
Here were my thoughts when building

1-1.5 ton capacity
Hydraulic dump w/o using tractor hydraulics
(Didn't want to hook and unhook Hydro cables)

Made from 2" square tubing 1/4" wall
3x12" hydraulic cylinder--$58.00 Northern
12V Hydraulic Pump...E-BAY, Camper Manu. $190.00
Handheld remote (rocker and momentary switch) $10.00
Hobart Handler $650.00 (most expensive part!)

Have yet to try it out.
Half the fun is trying to build it. [image]

Gotta be green!

Picture1 picture2
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Probably not much. It would depend on which direction the forces come from. )</font>
My bad .... I should have said "twisting" since that is what I really meant. I doubt that it would do much to handle the "sag" that occurs as a consequence of the bed being pushed up by the hydraulic cylinder - that sag is occuring in the c-channel and box tube crossmembers would do little if anything to handle it.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Box tubing is not always the best answer although it is always the most expensive answer. )</font>
It's definitely true that box tube is probably more expensive than other types structural steel ..... however it certainly is far less prone to twist and flex than angle is.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( In a lot of applications bar channel (aka c-channel) will give as much and sometimes even more strength than than tubing. Most, if not all, heavy duty construction trailers use bar channel for their frames. )</font>
Do you think that is because of economics or because it's just stronger ?
 
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Bob,

Nice job.

Any idea what you have cost-wise in the steel ? Was it scrap/freebies/drops ?
 
 

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