Not free firewood....but close

[4570Man]

Exactly but that requires math.

 

[bcp]

Exactly but that requires math.

Bruce

 

[goeduck]

Let's face it... ric, rack, rank, face cord are all non-legal terms in pretty much every state.

Rick is selling a cord of wood. Is Ricks cord legal?

 

[RalphVa]

LOTS of free wood in our piles down below. First time since May 31 last year when the tropical storm left them there that we've been able to attack them. Will chip up small stuff (lots of black walnut in there; cannot use the chips for mulch) and put on trails. Little bit bigger stuff is going along line between us and unfriendly neighbor to left. Bigger stuff would be good wood stuff stuff. Cannot use because wife is allergic to back smoke. Got 3 fire places. Cannot use.

Ralph, in central Va

 

[aczlan]

1/3 is a neabulous? Do you tell the guy want three one cords?

If a fraction is to much for you, you should go to night school. You can even fake it by simply googling it.

I don't understand how 1/3 is such a conversation. Some of you are not even from regions of the country we joke about.

What is nebulous is the length of the wood in a face cord.
The length of the pieces of wood in a face cord are not legally defined and some sellers use 18 inch pieces, others use 16 inch pieces and others use 14 inch pieces.
That is the problem and that is why some states warn that you need to get the length specified: .

How to Avoid Getting Burned When Buying Firewood

Whether you use it to heat your home or just to burn it occasionally in your fireplace, you should be a smart shopper when you purchase firewood.
What Is A Cord?
Firewood is generally sold by a measurement called a "cord." A cord is equal 128 cubic feet. For example, a stack four feet wide by four feet high by eight feet long is a cord.

You may also see wood advertised by a "face cord" with the length of the pieces. A 24 inch face cord is 24 inches wide by four feet high by eight feet long.
In New York, all firewood sales and advertising must include the three dimensions of the wood, that is length, width, and height, with the wood ranked and well stowed.
Stacking A Cord For Measurement
To be sure you have a cord, stack the wood neatly by placing the wood in a line or a row, with individual pieces touching and parallel to each other, making sure that the wood is compact and has as few gaps as possible. Then measure the stack. If the width times the height times the length equals 128 cubic feet, you have a cord of firewood.

Aaron Z

 

[CobyRupert]

105 comments, mostly on terms used to describe volumes of wood?! :cool2:

So say one buys wood lawfully advertised "by the cord". So what??

Did they "Avoid Getting Burned When Buying Firewood"? Was it a good deal or bad?
Example:
What's the best deal: "$240 for a cord", "$80 for face cord, 16" length", or $220 for a cord"?

Hint: YOU STILL HAVE NO MEANS OF COMPARISON TO TELL WHAT IS THE BEST DEAL!

 

[MossRoad]

How are you going to sell a cord of firewood when it痴 cut 20 inches?

Stack it 48" high by 19.2' long, of course!

 

[MossRoad]

If you pay for a "face cord" of wood and it's only 14" wide VS the 16" that you thought it would be, you're getting exactly what you paid for. A "face cord".

"Face cord" only considers the height of 4' and the length of 8', and does not take into consideration of the depth.

There's no legal definition of "face cord" in any state. You have no way to get your money back and no legal recourse to attempt it should you not get what you thought you should be getting. It's a shyster's measure. That's why civilized society agrees on a system of weights and measures so that goods can be bought and sold without wondering if you're going to get what you paid for, and a legal means to get satisfaction if necessary.

You buy steak by the pound, milk by the gallon, and firewood by the cord.

Give me a face pound of steak, a face gallon of milk, a face cord of firewood.

 

[MossRoad]

Rick is selling a cord of wood. Is Ricks cord legal?

No, but Rick's is.

 

[Jstpssng]

If you pay for a "face cord" of wood and it's only 14" wide VS the 16" that you thought it would be, you're getting exactly what you paid for. A "face cord".

"Face cord" only considers the height of 4' and the length of 8', and does not take into consideration of the depth.

There's no legal definition of "face cord" in any state. You have no way to get your money back and no legal recourse to attempt it should you not get what you thought you should be getting. It's a shyster's measure. That's why civilized society agrees on a system of weights and measures so that goods can be bought and sold without wondering if you're going to get what you paid for, and a legal means to get satisfaction if necessary.

You buy steak by the pound, milk by the gallon, and firewood by the cord.

Give me a face pound of steak, a face gallon of milk, a face cord of firewood.

I think the point that some are trying to make is that they shouldn't have the right of recourse.

 

[goeduck]

At the top of the page Amazon is selling 0.65 cu ft of Enviro-log for $19.99. The specs say it is 9.9 x 16 x 9.9 inches which is 0.91 cu ft. So they calculate 0.26 cu ft is air. Applying this same ratio to a 128 cu ft cord means you would only have 91 cu ft in it.

Look what you can sell your firewood for if you bundle it up nicely, spray some scent on it and sell it on Amazon.

I do not recall where I was going with this post :confused3:

 

[turnkey4099]

Why I never learned to "cook."

"Add a pinch of salt to a scoop of flour, mix, then add a dash of pepper."



Bruce

Yep, that's about it!!

 

[turnkey4099]

If a 1/3 of a cord is not defined measure how the heck is full cord defined?

It blows my mind we are having this discussion. I guess schools really are that bad in some areas. If you can't sell a 1/3 of a cord, then how can you sell 2 cords or 3?

I realize math is tough for some folks. But you could look at as 3 rows is cord, so take one and you have face cord.


48* 1/3 = 16 or 48/3= 16. If it is one whole section long, which would 24' then divide by 3 or multiple by 1/3. Use a calculator if you have to. Your phone has one.


Do you only buy milk by 1 gallon at a time? Gas by one gallon at a time? God forbid we buy beer by 12 or 6 pack. We need to outlaw fountain pop.

Buying a beverage with ice in the glass must drive you to tears.

You seem to be missing the importance of having a legal definition of measure vice someone's measure that is not defined legally.

 

[turnkey4099]

1/3 is a neabulous? Do you tell the guy want three one cords?

If a fraction is to much for you, you should go to night school. You can even fake it by simply googling it.

I don't understand how 1/3 is such a conversation. Some of you are not even from regions of the country we joke about.

1/3 is nebulous when it is 1/3 of an undefined amount. In the case of cords measure 1/3 is defined and everyone knows (or can find out) what it is.

As far as I can tell NO ONE has said a 1/3 of a cord ic not a legal measure or even one that is hard to figure.

 

[turnkey4099]

Do you think they cut firewood different lengths when the stack it for face cords or cords? If 48 *1/3 is 16. If they were to sell a cord at 4' deep, and did not stack the ends, touching each other they would have to cut them shorter than 16".

But I would think whether it is 3 rows deep, or one, they are probably cutting to around 16". Yes not using a micrometer.

No problem measuring the amount of wood in a rick with sloping ends, just measure across the center of the stack. That will be as close as measuring a rick with resaonably square ends. In my case, I have ricks with one end square and the other sloping. Same thing measure the ccenter line distance and multiply by height.

 

[turnkey4099]

How are you going to sell a cord of firewood when it痴 cut 20 inches?

Since 20 is 4" more than 16 and you multiply your regular 16" stack by 1.3, all you have to do is multiply by 1.6. Not rocket science.

 

[turnkey4099]

Exactly but that requires math.

Or, if I am selling I don't cut to ridiculous measures. Much simplifies life.

 

[turnkey4099]

Rick is selling a cord of wood. Is Ricks cord legal?

It is a measure that can be checked and go back to the dealer if it doesn't come up to a full cord. By a rick from a dealer and you can't. They'd laugh you out of the courthouse if you even tried to file a case.

 

[turnkey4099]

I think the point that some are trying to make is that they shouldn't have the right of recourse.

There is no recouse in law if you buy something by measure that is not legally defined. That becomes a case of "buyer beware" and "suck it up" if you get less than you thought you should.

 

[turnkey4099]

Well, I am out. Getting ready to get back to cutting a tree down in a day or two. Temps have come up into the 50s so what snow remains (about 6") should be gone by then. Ground apparently is not frozen as I have seen no sigh of run-off.