Not free firewood....but close

[Zerk]

But not a legal definition.

Go on down the page you linked:

Wikipedia: A face cord is an informal unit of volume....

Woodbeaver : A face cord refers to a stack of cut and split firewood 4' high by 8' long by the length of the firewood, usually 16, 20 or 24" ..... (or whatever lengths the cutter choses ?)

Worldforestindustries: The amount of wood in a rick or face cord will depend on how long the pieces are so these are not the most accurate firewood measurements.

If you can define the size of X. Its BS to say you can't define the size of 1/3 x X. Does that mean 2 cords to much to count?

It is a fraction.

 

[atsah]

A cord is 4x4x8, a half cord is half of that, if anyone needs anything less just give it to them. Fractions, face cords, ricks, you have to be kidding me.

 

[Zerk]

Huh?

You got some money in your pocket? Give me a 1/3.

So charge for 1/2, but 1/3 is socialism? 17% is your line?

I am not saying I wouldn't help someone. But think people are full of it. Charge for 1/2, but give away 1/3 to some guy who just want some for his fireplace or garage. Sure.

Not sure why some people think 1/3 is not defined. Math is math.

 

[PILOON]

When the wood vendor's yard has nice racks 8ft wide X 4 ft high with dry wood flush stacked to the top I trust him, especially if the buts are grey and cracked.

Also quite a difference between a 'rick' cut to 16" vs a 'rick' cut to 14".

When he tosses it any which way in a pickup and claims that it is 1/3 (rick or rack) I'd want to make my own count.

Next is "semi dry" (cut last week and full of sap) , LOL if it's maple and you toss it into the stove and the room smells of maple syrup you know that tree is still alive! (actually saw sap boiling its way out of green maple, smells good)

"Mostly hard wood", contains who knows what, pine, spruce, balsom and probably 10% maple or birch.

Perhaps not everywhere but my experience is that many wood sellers are not exactly the select portion of humanity when it comes to honesty.
LOL, maybe they are 'roofers' in the other season.

 

[Zerk]

When the wood vendor's yard has nice racks 8ft wide X 4 ft high with dry wood flush stacked to the top I trust him, especially if the buts are grey and cracked.

Also quite a difference between a 'rick' cut to 16" vs a 'rick' cut to 14".

When he tosses it any which way in a pickup and claims that it is 1/3 (rick or rack) I'd want to make my own count.

n.

I realize we will never agree. My life is about math. Fractions are not an issue for me. He could cut the lengths to 14" on cord too. Not seeing what this even has to do with the cord vs 1/3 cord debate

Can stack a face cord 8x4x16", just as you can stack a cord 8x4x4, three rows of 16". 3x 1/3=1.


They can show up with a pick up, or dump truck. Unless you load it yourself, and it is on rows, you never really know. Can also stack criss cross or parrell stacked up.


At some point you are looking at a pile of wood, and deciding if it is worth what they are asking.

I am guessing most firewood providers are not major corporations. I'll conceed if they do a million in year, we can involve the government, until the point you just buy more propane.

 

[Zerk]

Obviously, if after you stack it in your shed, and it does not meet your standard you should buy your next cord elsewhere, or neogiate the price.

 

[Jstpssng]

I realize we will never agree. My life is about math. Fractions are not an issue for me. He could cut the lengths to 14" on cord too. Not seeing what this even has to do with the cord vs 1/3 cord debate

Can stack a face cord 8x4x16", just as you can stack a cord 8x4x4, three rows of 16". 3x 1/3=1.


They can show up with a pick up, or dump truck. Unless you load it yourself, and it is on rows, you never really know. Can also stack criss cross or parrell stacked up.


At some point you are looking at a pile of wood, and deciding if it is worth what they are asking.

I am guessing most firewood providers are not major corporations. I'll conceed if they do a million in year, we can involve the government, until the point you just buy more propane.

It has nothing to do with fractions or anything else; rather, a standard which everybody can agree upon. Your definition of "rick", " face cord", isn't the same as Joe Blow's down the street, who's wood is only 14" long; or Fred's firewood across town, who really doesn't worry about how long it is. If you are selling 4'x8'x16"_it's a third of a cord, just as everybody else's wood is. The "government" got involved because there were too many complaints.

 

[TnAndy]

If you can define the size of X. Its BS to say you can't define the size of 1/3 x X. Does that mean 2 cords to much to count?

It is a fraction.

You CAN define, and legally sell it (in States that have defined the cord as a unit of firewood) as a fraction....1/2 cord, 1/3 cord, 1/4 cord....any full or fraction one so chooses OF A CORD.

You just shouldn't use the term "face cord" or "rick", since they clearly mean many different measurements. I could cut wood 6" long, stack in it a 4x8 row, and call that a 'face cord'....since you're only looking at the FACE

 

[turnkey4099]

And if it痴 not a perfect 4x8 stack. Most people stack between trees or barn walls which aren稚 8 apart and usually stack higher than 4?

An doubts about amount, measure it. That has been covered. I still doesn't change that one does not HAVE to deal in cords but in most statesa you CANNOT advertise other than by the cord.

 

[turnkey4099]

I dunno. Seems there is a definition of face cord. Not sure why people think there isn't. I realize fractions are tough for some people. So the 2nd link gives a dimmension you can use.

face cord - Google Search

What is the difference between a face cord and bush cord of wood?
The most common firewood piece length is 16 inches (41 cm). A face cord is one third of a full or bush cord stack of wood that is 4 by 8 ft (1.22 by 2.44 m) by 16 in (41 cm) and has a volume of 42.6 cubic feet (1.21 m3).

Face Cord vs Full Cord of Firewood | Northline Express

Yes, those asre regional and the generally accepted definition but they are not LEGAL in any state, under any regulation where "weights and measures' has laid out the rules.

 

[turnkey4099]

A cord is 4x4x8, a half cord is half of that, if anyone needs anything less just give it to them. Fractions, face cords, ricks, you have to be kidding me.

As can be seen the die hards will never give up their nebulous measures.

 

[bcp]

Why I never learned to "cook."

"Add a pinch of salt to a scoop of flour, mix, then add a dash of pepper."



Bruce

 

[Jstpssng]

Why I never learned to "cook."

"Add a pinch of salt to a scoop of flour, mix, then add a dash of pepper."



Bruce

One old recipe I saw started with "fifty cents of chicken"... Now we call that "an egg."

 

[Zerk]

Yes, those asre regional and the generally accepted definition but they are not LEGAL in any state, under any regulation where "weights and measures' has laid out the rules.

If a 1/3 of a cord is not defined measure how the heck is full cord defined?

It blows my mind we are having this discussion. I guess schools really are that bad in some areas. If you can't sell a 1/3 of a cord, then how can you sell 2 cords or 3?

I realize math is tough for some folks. But you could look at as 3 rows is cord, so take one and you have face cord.


48* 1/3 = 16 or 48/3= 16. If it is one whole section long, which would 24' then divide by 3 or multiple by 1/3. Use a calculator if you have to. Your phone has one.


Do you only buy milk by 1 gallon at a time? Gas by one gallon at a time? God forbid we buy beer by 12 or 6 pack. We need to outlaw fountain pop.

Buying a beverage with ice in the glass must drive you to tears.

 

[Zerk]

Why I never learned to "cook."

"Add a pinch of salt to a scoop of flour, mix, then add a dash of pepper."



Bruce

You can buy a cook book with exact defined quanities of teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups. I am starting to think the real problem might go farther than fractions.


1/3 is not a pinch, a tad, or a shake. It is 33%, which might be tough. It is divide by 3, multipl by .33.

defined quanities of teaspoons, tablespoons, and cups..

You can look these up in the cook books or on internet. They have charts just like metric to SAE, and such in mechanical books. You can handle metric and SAE?


You can even google scoop.

Just cause you don't know something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Lots of people can't do calculus or trig, but it exists.

 

[Zerk]

This reminds me of how it used to illegal to mix drinks in, I believe Georgia. The bars would have air plane 1/5 ounce bottles. It kicked their southern butts when they were given the freedom. They had to to do classes.


If you can't handle taking salt shaker, and adding a dash of salt, you need to relax. You are not doing rocket surgery.

 

[Zerk]

As can be seen the die hards will never give up their nebulous measures.

1/3 is a neabulous? Do you tell the guy want three one cords?

If a fraction is to much for you, you should go to night school. You can even fake it by simply googling it.

I don't understand how 1/3 is such a conversation. Some of you are not even from regions of the country we joke about.

 

[Zerk]

Do you think they cut firewood different lengths when the stack it for face cords or cords? If 48 *1/3 is 16. If they were to sell a cord at 4' deep, and did not stack the ends, touching each other they would have to cut them shorter than 16".

But I would think whether it is 3 rows deep, or one, they are probably cutting to around 16". Yes not using a micrometer.

 

[4570Man]

How are you going to sell a cord of firewood when it’s cut 20 inches?

 

[Jstpssng]

How are you going to sell a cord of firewood when it’s cut 20 inches?

1 tier stacked 4 foot, 19.2 feet long
or
2 tiers stacked 4 foot high, 9.6 feet long
or
1 tier, stacked 6 feet high; 12.8 feet long
or
2 tiers, stacked 6 feet high; 6.4 feet long

It doesn't matter what length that you cut it or how you stack it; a cord of wood takes up 128 cubic feet.

My cousin paid for 8 full cords yet recieved what turned out to be an 8 "face cord" load of firewood; it was 4 feet tall, 32 feet wide... and each stick was 7.6 feet long.