North Polar region

[Egon]

Study finds Arctic seabed afire with lava-spewing volcanoes

Don't know how many of you are familiar with this occurrence but I'm wondering how this activity will effect the climate and ice conditions.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

Na, they have it all wrong. Everybody knows that the ice cap is melting because of global warming. i read an article that said the north pole could be all water this summer, because of global warming. It can't be anything else.

 

[Timber]

We have some real environmental problems going on & I'm not so sure people realize the gravity of the impact it will have on all of us. West Nile has just mutated into a new strain because of the rise in temperature. agriculture is changing its geography. The rise in fuel price in some ways is a good thing, people are actually looking into alternative fuels. It may already be too late though

 

[turnkey4099]

We have some real environmental problems going on & I'm not so sure people realize the gravity of the impact it will have on all of us. West Nile has just mutated into a new strain because of the rise in temperature. agriculture is changing its geography. The rise in fuel price in some ways is a good thing, people are actually looking into alternative fuels. It may already be too late though

I have to agree with the 'too late'. IMO we are in a natural warming period but mankind is contributing a whole bunch too it and driving it much farther than nature would have.

Even were we to cease totally burning fossil fuels today, it would decades for all the pullutants we have pumped into the atmosphere to be locked up again. Best I can see is for some progress to be made in slowing down the annual increase. Getting back to the same level as even 10 years ago is impossible without wreckign the entire global economy.

Bottom line IMO - GW is here, learn to live with it or perish. As for today's lifestyle in this country? We are at the high point and it is downhill from here. Cheap energy will never be seen again. Yep, totally negative viewpoint but I will put money on it being much more accurate than the ones who think we can continue as is with a few minor adjustments.

Harry K

 

[Timber]

I have to agree with the 'too late'. IMO we are in a natural warming period but mankind is contributing a whole bunch too it and driving it much farther than nature would have.

Even were we to cease totally burning fossil fuels today, it would decades for all the pollutants we have pumped into the atmosphere to be locked up again. Best I can see is for some progress to be made in slowing down the annual increase. Getting back to the same level as even 10 years ago is impossible without wrecking the entire global economy.

Bottom line IMO - GW is here, learn to live with it or perish. As for today's lifestyle in this country? We are at the high point and it is downhill from here. Cheap energy will never be seen again. Yep, totally negative viewpoint but I will put money on it being much more accurate than the ones who think we can continue as is with a few minor adjustments.

Harry K

I don't think the total elimination of fossil fuels is realistic at this point. What is realistic is a very wide spread use of alternative fuels. Solar panels on every home back feeding the grid will become as standard equipment as windows. 1 electric car or plug in Hybrid in every drive as well a standard car. Wind Farms, Nuclear power plants, Hydro and so on. The infrastructure for public transportation needs to be updated. There also needs to be more incentive from local and Federal governments to make it all attractive to the consumers. The bottom line is it is the responsibility of you and me and our children to fix this or at least turn the tide. The world has changed by what we do nd it will always change. The direction of change we can nudge around but that is up to you and me and the generations that follow us. Look at all the great things we have done. I think we can change this too, it is all ready happening

 

[Egon]

Been thinking again about all the undesirable gasses in the air. Then I though about the population. I think it was about one Billion?? 100 years ago. Now its at six??? Billion.

All of use a fueling system that depletes atmospheric oxygen and expels some undesirable gases as well as materials that follow the laws of thermodynamics and revert to the lowest energy level. Some of which may be carbon dioxide.

Many of us also consume fluids containing carbon dioxide which in turn is released into the atmosphere.

So folks, we do indeed have a pollution problem but not in the same form we normally think of.

 

[Tig]

I read about the volcanic activity. If I recall correctly is nothing new, so it does not contribute to change.

 

[czechsonofagun]

We have some real environmental problems going on & I'm not so sure people realize the gravity of the impact it will have on all of us. West Nile has just mutated into a new strain because of the rise in temperature. agriculture is changing its geography. The rise in fuel price in some ways is a good thing, people are actually looking into alternative fuels. It may already be too late though

Well I remember in seventies people went crazy about new ice age coming - and they even had the data straight, unlike today with the only one hockey stick graph.
Ever heard of Roman club? They made a lot of predictions and they were mostly wrong. Today it is just another political vehicle and craze to make some people visible. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt; nothing like living in an east block country to become resistant to similar stuff.

My $0.02 only, of course

 

[turnkey4099]

The 'ice age' bit back in the 70s was only in the popular press, scientists never bought into it if I recall it correctly.

People who think GW is not happening have to find some other way to explain all the missing ice at both poles plus glaciers retreating and even disappearing entirely. Glacier National Park may have to be renamed - there is only a fraction of the glaciers that used to be there 30 years ago.

Harry K

 

[MikePA]

People who think GW is not happening have to find some other way to explain all the missing ice at both poles plus glaciers retreating and even disappearing entirely.

It's the result of a normal warming and cooling cycle and the 70s Ice Age was not just part of the popular press. The press was reporting what scientists said back then. Then the 'experts' were predicting a 'New Ice Age' using just as much 'proof' as the 'experts' are now using to 'prove' man made global warming.

When will people learn this is just another ploy by politicians to grab more money and take away more liberty.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I believe it was back inthe winter, but I remember reading that Russian scientists have found that the polar regions of Mars have warmed by the same amount as Earth's. The warming of the planets was traced directly to the sun's activity and was determined that this was just another cycle of the sun. Heard about this for maybe a day, then nothing since. Maybe because it's not a fact that fits the agenda of what's been drilled into our heads?

 

[Egon]

Oh ho, the whole solar system is heating up???

It is indeed strange that the real scientist's are not heard from???

 

[MikePA]

This article from 'down under' sums it up quite nicely.

 

[Timber]

It's the result of a normal warming and cooling cycle and the 70s Ice Age was not just part of the popular press. The press was reporting what scientists said back then. Then the 'experts' were predicting a 'New Ice Age' using just as much 'proof' as the 'experts' are now using to 'prove' man made global warming.

When will people learn this is just another ploy by politicians to grab more money and take away more liberty.

Just putting your fingers in your ears and Keep singing La la la la la la la la and it will all be ok

 

[czechsonofagun]

It's the result of a normal warming and cooling cycle and the 70s Ice Age was not just part of the popular press. The press was reporting what scientists said back then. Then the 'experts' were predicting a 'New Ice Age' using just as much 'proof' as the 'experts' are now using to 'prove' man made global warming.

When will people learn this is just another ploy by politicians to grab more money and take away more liberty.

I agree with you; seen and experienced too much of that in my life already. The average Joe will never believe - for instance - that there is more radioactive pollution from coal burning power station than from nuclear power station; something about the name prevents them from grasping the concept.

Nothing against any Joe personally; I would never question other people's religion such as Global Warming.

 

[Timber]

Did I attack you personally? No, I did not. Anyone who doesn't believe is to be belittled. Good plan.

I thought that was just kinda funny,Hardly an attack but if that is how you feel I guess I can't help that

 

[jdbower]

I thought that was just kinda funny,Hardly an attack but if that is how you feel I guess I can't help that

The problem is it's common for the pro-AGW crowd to be dismissive of any dissenters and call them "deniers." This avoids any sort of debate and leads to fairly extremist views - either man is a virus destroying the planet or there's no way we can affect something as big as the Earth. More legitimate conversations can lead to compromises and better understanding - definitely better than the 40 years of apocalypse predictions the media's been reporting.

For example, looking at the numbers at a larger scale shows that natural sources contribute to greenhouse gasses as well. With these numbers it becomes difficult to see how worthwhile it would be to even drop to fully "carbon neutral." This doesn't mean that minimizing our impact on the environment is a bad thing, but it certainly puts the cost and urgency into perspective. On the plus side, being "green" is trendy. This is leading luxury car makers to move towards non-oil-based solutions. Whether this has an impact on the environment is questionable, but at least it will have an impact on oil dependence. And the wealthy can afford to make these changes without government subsidies, by having people voluntarily invest in this technology the ones that work will move more mainstream.

Moreover, keeping track of predictions and figuring out what works and what doesn't is crucial towards understanding. After Katrina we were supposed to be swamped with high powered hurricanes, but that year seemed to be an aberration. However last year they predicted a decline in the solar cycle and a colder winter - and that came true. Once we can accurately predict things we can start talking about what to do to prevent events, but until then we'd be much better off spending money to help survive disasters than to risk that we're suddenly correct about climate science. Given a choice between building more modern water retaining systems and trusting that outlawing SUVs would prevent flooding guess where I'd put my money...

 

[MikePA]

The problem is it's common for the pro-AGW crowd to be dismissive of any dissenters and call them "deniers."

This is exactly what Al Gore has said, we don't have time to debate we must act and act now.

While they wouldn't admit it, for many believers in man made GW, it's a religion. Facts mixed with faith.

Earth = God
Scientists = Prophets
Believers = Believers
Deniers = Heretics to be silenced.
Tithe = Taxes
Carbon Footprint = Degree of sinfulness
Electric car, Replace light bulbs with CFLs - Forms of Penance

 

[RavensRoost]

If the world population went from 1 billion to 6 billion, then reducing population growth would seem to be smart.

RavensRoost