I actually have been lurking around for a couple of weeks as an unregistered user. I am looking a buying either a JD or Kubota 30 to 40 HP compact tractor. They both look very similar in features. However, I did read a post here about a problem with the Kubota backhoe. I came back to print out the thread to do some more investigation. Does anyone know what happend to that thread? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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icat
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The thread was deleted by the board administrator. Reason given was due to what we internet forum regulars call "flaming" - basically an argument without merit, or name calling to incite or otherwise agravate others.
By the way, welcome to TBN. As for JD vs. Kubota - they are BOTH excellent tractors (and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise).
By the way, welcome to TBN. As for JD vs. Kubota - they are BOTH excellent tractors (and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise).
Thanks - is there any way to get to the thread? an archive or something. The Kubota dealer I think is trying to sell me the same backhoe but I'm not sure, he just says its brand new. I sure don't want to buy something that has not been tested or will break on me. I'm leaning toward the JD just because the dealer seems a bit more helpful, but the Kubota has more horsepower?? But if there is a problem with it, I don't want to have to deal with that.
icat
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Well, actually there is - but if I told you I'd have to devulge top secret computer stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Your concerns are understandable, but CW's post is the first I've seen concerning this issue. There had been modifications made to the backhoe that MIGHT have affected the unit. We'll never know since we did not get a complete story from CW - and we certainly were unable to get Kubota's side of the story. If you're more comfortable with the JD dealer, go with him. I bought a Kubota because I didn't like the JD dealer in my area, not because I thought it was a better tractor. Also looked at NH too. The "fords" were VERY nice - love the color, just didn't find a fit there either.
As for HP, don't be tricked into the "bigger is better" consipacy. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Match your tractor to your anticipated needs and buy what fits. Might give yourself a little extra, but a 100HP AG tractor isn't required for a one acre lot - and a 12HP garden tractor won't cut it either (pun intended).
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Your concerns are understandable, but CW's post is the first I've seen concerning this issue. There had been modifications made to the backhoe that MIGHT have affected the unit. We'll never know since we did not get a complete story from CW - and we certainly were unable to get Kubota's side of the story. If you're more comfortable with the JD dealer, go with him. I bought a Kubota because I didn't like the JD dealer in my area, not because I thought it was a better tractor. Also looked at NH too. The "fords" were VERY nice - love the color, just didn't find a fit there either.
As for HP, don't be tricked into the "bigger is better" consipacy. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Match your tractor to your anticipated needs and buy what fits. Might give yourself a little extra, but a 100HP AG tractor isn't required for a one acre lot - and a 12HP garden tractor won't cut it either (pun intended).
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txdon
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Mark45, I am new at this tractor shopping also and CW’s post was a heads up for me. I don’t know if the dealerships can obtain warranty information but one of my questions would be: What is Kubota’s side to the warranty dispute on BH90 Ser# 10338? Mark45 what is your JD comparison model?
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I don't know much about the Kubota backhoe but I have the 48 backhoe with my 4600 tractor and I have done everything with that backhoe that should and shouldn't have been done. I haven't had one issue with it. I've dug waterlines, put in septic system, dug out I don't know how many rocks and stumps, put up trusses, building a pond right now, etc. etc. I haven't been able to hurt it at all.
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Hey Mark 45,
It should be on your computer in your Temporary Internet Files.
It should be on your computer in your Temporary Internet Files.
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Welcome to TBN!
You might want to post a question over in the Kubota area. There are many people there that have Kubota products and will give you their honest opinion on them, good or bad. Also, you might want to do a search of the Kubota forums with that backhoe number. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
You might want to post a question over in the Kubota area. There are many people there that have Kubota products and will give you their honest opinion on them, good or bad. Also, you might want to do a search of the Kubota forums with that backhoe number. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Slamfire
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If you ask me the photo CW posted showed the dipper stick bent sideways. That probably means he was abusing the hoe, and the dealer refused to fix it for free. All we know is instead of coughing up for the repair, he bought a whole new backhoe. That seems kind of money foolish.
Re: Newbie with a question - follow up
Thanks, how can you get to the tempoary internet files? I really wish the moderators whould have just edited the thread on the Kubota backhoe problem - from what I read of the details it seems like something I may run into, I have 10 acres and want to clear at least five of them this year. I know there were some rather agressive remarks, but it did not change the account. I stopped by the Kubota dealer today and he's really pressuring me to get the new backhoe the BH90 and I asked him if there were any problems. He said there were no problems he has heard of but that it has only been available for about two months. I need to order the tractor now because there is a three week waiting/delivery time. But if the JD is more likely to not break, I'm certainly leaning that way.
So, where are the teporary file stored and how would I know how to find the thread? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Thanks, how can you get to the tempoary internet files? I really wish the moderators whould have just edited the thread on the Kubota backhoe problem - from what I read of the details it seems like something I may run into, I have 10 acres and want to clear at least five of them this year. I know there were some rather agressive remarks, but it did not change the account. I stopped by the Kubota dealer today and he's really pressuring me to get the new backhoe the BH90 and I asked him if there were any problems. He said there were no problems he has heard of but that it has only been available for about two months. I need to order the tractor now because there is a three week waiting/delivery time. But if the JD is more likely to not break, I'm certainly leaning that way.
So, where are the teporary file stored and how would I know how to find the thread? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Re: Newbie with a question - Answer a question
Someone asked what JD I was looking at. Its the 4610 and the Kubota is the GrandL 4330.
So far, the Kubota is lower in initial cost - but, if it will be a problem getting warranty work done (as in the post I'm trying to find right now) then it's not worth the hassle.
Also, the Kubota dealer is trying to sell me one brand of post hole digger, one brand of brush hog and a different brand of rototiller. The loader and backhoe are the only officical Kubota products.
Whith JD, all the accessories are JD and I only have one place to go for help or warranty work.
Also, JD offers a 2000 extended warranty for just 610 dollars - Kubota does not have an extended warranty? Why?
So for me, its important to find the thread that I read on Tuesday or wednesday because I want to get some better answers from the Kubota dealer -- After all, I can't think of anything you could do to make a backhoe break like that one did, so in my mind, it was a defect. It's just how will Kubota deal with it.
Someone asked what JD I was looking at. Its the 4610 and the Kubota is the GrandL 4330.
So far, the Kubota is lower in initial cost - but, if it will be a problem getting warranty work done (as in the post I'm trying to find right now) then it's not worth the hassle.
Also, the Kubota dealer is trying to sell me one brand of post hole digger, one brand of brush hog and a different brand of rototiller. The loader and backhoe are the only officical Kubota products.
Whith JD, all the accessories are JD and I only have one place to go for help or warranty work.
Also, JD offers a 2000 extended warranty for just 610 dollars - Kubota does not have an extended warranty? Why?
So for me, its important to find the thread that I read on Tuesday or wednesday because I want to get some better answers from the Kubota dealer -- After all, I can't think of anything you could do to make a backhoe break like that one did, so in my mind, it was a defect. It's just how will Kubota deal with it.
rbarker
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Re: Newbie with a question - Answer a question
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Someone asked what JD I was looking at. Its the 4610 and the Kubota is the GrandL 4330.
So far, the Kubota is lower in initial cost - but, if it will be a problem getting warranty work done (as in the post I'm trying to find right now) then it's not worth the hassle.)</font>
Mark,
It may have already been suggested but you might try to post this question about warrantee work in the Kubota owners group. There are tons of people who own Kubotas that frequent that group and you can get a good consensus of who has had warrantee problems and who has not. I have never kept statistics but my gut feeling from reading that group for the last 6 months is that the warrantee successes have far outweighed the failures.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also, the Kubota dealer is trying to sell me one brand of post hole digger, one brand of brush hog and a different brand of rototiller. The loader and backhoe are the only officical Kubota products.
Whith JD, all the accessories are JD and I only have one place to go for help or warranty work.)</font>
I don't think that this is that unusual when dealing with CUT's. Wouldn't your dealer handle the warrantee work of all the products he sold you? I think most do.
Good luck with whatever you buy. It doesn't sound like you can go far wrong with either! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Someone asked what JD I was looking at. Its the 4610 and the Kubota is the GrandL 4330.
So far, the Kubota is lower in initial cost - but, if it will be a problem getting warranty work done (as in the post I'm trying to find right now) then it's not worth the hassle.)</font>
Mark,
It may have already been suggested but you might try to post this question about warrantee work in the Kubota owners group. There are tons of people who own Kubotas that frequent that group and you can get a good consensus of who has had warrantee problems and who has not. I have never kept statistics but my gut feeling from reading that group for the last 6 months is that the warrantee successes have far outweighed the failures.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Also, the Kubota dealer is trying to sell me one brand of post hole digger, one brand of brush hog and a different brand of rototiller. The loader and backhoe are the only officical Kubota products.
Whith JD, all the accessories are JD and I only have one place to go for help or warranty work.)</font>
I don't think that this is that unusual when dealing with CUT's. Wouldn't your dealer handle the warrantee work of all the products he sold you? I think most do.
Good luck with whatever you buy. It doesn't sound like you can go far wrong with either! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
icat
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Re: Newbie with a question - Answer a question
Mark45,
Anything I say will probably come across as biased since I own a Kubota. However, look at how you are questioning Kubota because of the CW post. Could it be that this is one of the reasons the post was pulled in the first place? CW's post was infamatory and, in my opinion, was intended to do exactly what it has done. It has gotten a prospective customer to rethink his buying decision. There were no verifiable details in the post. The wording and comments made by CW were skewed in his favor. He only gave his side of the story and he was so upset when some of us asked for further details that he resorted to calling those of us with Orange tractors "Kubota Biggots".
Ask yourself if you really think a backhoe could be bent AND twisted to one side by using it in its intended manner. What forces would it take to destroy the dipper stick in that fashion? What did CW do with the unit that could have caused the failure? Further more, why - if it was a defect in materials or workmanship - did it take over 40 hours of usage for the hoe to bend? Wouldn't it appear that the unit would have bent right off the bat if it was defective in the first place?
As I said in one of my posts, I don't need to defend Kubota. They are big enough to do that themselves. Further more, I think JD makes and excellent tractor, as does NH as well. Buy what you feel comfortable with. But don't buy - or not buy - based on CW's post. There were WAY to many unanswer and REASONABLE challenges to his post to give it any shread of credibility.
Mark45,
Anything I say will probably come across as biased since I own a Kubota. However, look at how you are questioning Kubota because of the CW post. Could it be that this is one of the reasons the post was pulled in the first place? CW's post was infamatory and, in my opinion, was intended to do exactly what it has done. It has gotten a prospective customer to rethink his buying decision. There were no verifiable details in the post. The wording and comments made by CW were skewed in his favor. He only gave his side of the story and he was so upset when some of us asked for further details that he resorted to calling those of us with Orange tractors "Kubota Biggots".
Ask yourself if you really think a backhoe could be bent AND twisted to one side by using it in its intended manner. What forces would it take to destroy the dipper stick in that fashion? What did CW do with the unit that could have caused the failure? Further more, why - if it was a defect in materials or workmanship - did it take over 40 hours of usage for the hoe to bend? Wouldn't it appear that the unit would have bent right off the bat if it was defective in the first place?
As I said in one of my posts, I don't need to defend Kubota. They are big enough to do that themselves. Further more, I think JD makes and excellent tractor, as does NH as well. Buy what you feel comfortable with. But don't buy - or not buy - based on CW's post. There were WAY to many unanswer and REASONABLE challenges to his post to give it any shread of credibility.
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Re: Newbie with a question - follow up
<font color="blue">He said there were no problems he has heard of but that it has only been available for about two months. I need to order the tractor now because there is a three week waiting/delivery time. </font>
Don't rush into a purchase, if possible. There are many people here that have been considering their purchase for years. If you need the tractor and backhoe right now and if you are not comfortable being a test pilot for a new product(like the new model backhoe you are looking at), then buy one with a proven track record that you can be comfortable with. Just my humble opinion. Good luck in your search. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
<font color="blue">He said there were no problems he has heard of but that it has only been available for about two months. I need to order the tractor now because there is a three week waiting/delivery time. </font>
Don't rush into a purchase, if possible. There are many people here that have been considering their purchase for years. If you need the tractor and backhoe right now and if you are not comfortable being a test pilot for a new product(like the new model backhoe you are looking at), then buy one with a proven track record that you can be comfortable with. Just my humble opinion. Good luck in your search. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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