Newbie Land Clearing Questions

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danielread

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Hello,

Back in August I spent a lot of time reading these forums when we were considering the purchase of a tractor. There were a lot of helpful people and interesting stories, so I thought of TractorByNet again this week when we found ourselves again not sure what to do.

After our research back in August, we decided to get a walk behind DR Power Field & Brush Mower (the largest model) for our land-clearing needs, so we still don't have a tractor.

(I would be happy to respond to anyone who is curious about this product--in short, it's been awesome. We've used it to clear four of five acres since we purchased it in August. It's hard work, but the DR is a land-clearing beast that lives up to its sales pitch.)

So now we have all this wonderful cleared land, still with lots of trees standing. We've mowed down giant sticker bushes, millions of privets, miles of smilax, wisteria, and kudzu, and plenty of maple, holly, and milkweed. We have many piles of deadfall, branches, and vines that will someday need to be fed into a wood chipper or dumpster.

The land itself is tiered, up a hill with a moderate incline. It was probably farmed at one time, but that was probably a long time ago. Near the top of the hill, there are old house foundations, wells, dry creek beds, rock walls, moonshine still remains, lots and lots of glass bottles, and decades old car seats scattered. There are some decent-sized swaths of open land, though, on the tiers as you move up the hill. Like I said, so far we have we figure four or five of our ten acres cleared.

One problem is that even in relatively clear and open swaths, where we could maneuver a compact tractor without too much trouble, there are a good number of field stones.

So our next step is to treat the land we've cleared somehow so that we can keep the same privets, vines, and sticker bushes from coming back again and again. We're prepared to roll the DR over everything again once a year or so, but we don't want to do that forever.

We're not into chemicals, so our first idea was to rent or buy a tractor and use some kind of implement to basically till the land under and chew up the existing roots and vines under the surface. Then we can plant some grass or some other kind of ground cover in place of what's been tilled under.

Besides the the question of whether that's a good plan or not, we're also not sure if the presence of field stones and possibly other debris, and the general unevenness of the terrain, would do too much damage to something dragged behind a tractor. We don't want to just tear an expensive tractor up.

Is there a general assumption when using a tractor as a tiller that the land has been cleared of any stones? We're not looking to farm the land--we just want to get a leg up on the invasive species that have ruled the land for years. (You should see the foot-thick wisteria vines we've sawed down.) There are a fair number of trees, and rocky separations between the tiers, and we just want to maintain a nice open area under all the trees.

Or should we be considering just digging up the land using a front loader or back hoe?

Or should we just consider buying or renting some kind of heavy duty roto tiller? That might make the work more manual and slow, but if it's as satisfying as the DR work has been, we don't mind. It seems like the main benefit of some kind of walk behind tiller would be that we could work around rocks and such.

Thanks to anyone who has read this far and is willing to share ideas or comments.

Best,
Dan
 
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No suggestions, but welcome to TBN. :) Where abouts are you located?
 
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Welcome to TBN. I think you should buy a really good metal detector to find the "Lost Treasures of Time" first before you do any dirt work. I did and I love the old stuff I found. Good Luck,
 
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dan, I would not put a tiller in there until you have dealt with the stone, you could quickly destroy a very expensive attachment in stoney ground. rent a skidsteer with a rockhound and see how that works.
 
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Just another plug for the DR stuff. I've got their 12 hp woodchipper and it's great also !
 
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How about going Organic? By that I mean getting some goats or cows in there for a while. Green stuff in the front end and fertilizer out the exhaust end if you use goats or cows. :D You might see about fencing off small sections and running animals in there. I know you mentioned you found trash in some of that property. Is it every where? Sometimes folks are looking to rent land to keep their animals on. Or possibly letting a 4-H group use it. If there were a concern over metal or glass run a driveway roller magnet over sections to pick up small items. Here in Seattle the city rents goats to clear hillsides of blackberries and brush. They use temporary fencing and let them work the area for a month or so. A much better method than chemicals or using gas powered devices.
Just a thought.
Jim
 
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Timing is great re DR mower comments as I`m deciding on wheather to buy a DR brush mower! The 17HP...Take a look at the recent thread that started yesterday re DR brush mower...Its listed under the " 2 wheel walk behind " tractor discussion category . By all indications to date the DR seems to be a beast!....But sounds like you need to "hold on tight", as it drags you with it plus its a great workout!!
Are they easy to operate and low maintanence...May want to respond to the above mentioned thread!
Take Care!
 
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Just an update on the location of the DR Brush mower thread mentioned above...Its under the RELATED EQUIPMENT forum titled " Two Wheeled Tractors"
 
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May want to check if any of those naughty weeds spread by root cuttings. Knew a guy who disced a field of thistle. The next year he had the best thistle field of anyone! If can do it and you are willing to, i would go with the goats and movable pasture fencing (your choice...panels, electric, some hybid of both). Goats can be real houdinis but tend to come back for feed and butcher out in the fall if do not want to feed them, they are very tasty and as healthful at the 'other white meat'.
 
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I would go for a tractor with at least a top cylinder and a brush mower. Then just mow your fields a couple of times per year. If you go big enough you can back over the the brush piles and skip the chipper. Use the FEL to go after some of the rocks that get in the way of the mower. You will find a lot of other uses for the tractor.

Zeuspaul
 
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ive cleared out thickets by bush hogging it works well if you have the time. To do it this way you need to mow every thing down three times a year. When the weeds and such come up mow em down before they seed. If you do this for a couple of years the grass will come back and the weeds will go away. Now for the kudzu ive only found one wat to get totaly rid of it and that is to move! In its peak growing season it will grow a foot a day. Live stock is a great way to keep it back I know that cows prefer kudsu to grass. I had kudzu and it took about ten years but my pasture was finaly free from it. Goats work well for clearing thickets if you can put up with the smell. Pigs work very well, If you dont pen them up in a small area the smell from pigs is no more that cows. Pigs will root up everything in sight, They are the organic tiller so to speak. You can run one electric wire 12" above the ground and they wont cross it. These are just my thoughts on this I would rather work with nature than to try and beat it into submission.
 
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JiminGa said:
dan, I would not put a tiller in there until you have dealt with the stone, you could quickly destroy a very expensive attachment in stoney ground. rent a skidsteer with a rockhound and see how that works.
This is good input! I have a tiller on a 22Hp Kubota and it will "rattle your teeth" if there are many stones. I also like the input about using livestock to keep the growth under control. Good Luck!
 
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I'm not sure where you are from. If your from an area where the temperature drops below freezing, the frost will push stones up to the surface over time. Just because it was farmed at one time doesn't mean that there are no buried stones.
 
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MossRoad said:
No suggestions, but welcome to TBN. :) Where abouts are you located?

Thanks for replying, Moss. Unfortunately it's been a few days that I haven't been able to reply to everyone who took the time out to reply to my post. I hope to remedy that today.

We are in west central Georgia. The property is anchored by an old home built right after the Civil War; the back ten acres at one time had slave housing on it, and later tenant farmers, who apparently lived without water or electricity on the property into the 1960's.
 
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Treemonkey1000 said:
How about going Organic? By that I mean getting some goats or cows in there for a while.

Thanks, Jim. We've actually thought about goats, but we'd definitely need to improve the fencing situation. However, our main goal is not to just keep it mowed (we can do that with the DR even though it's a lot of work) but rather to get rid of all the roots and stumps and underground vines from all of the invasive species. We like to start fresh with some native plants or just ground cover like rye grass or something. Maybe this is naive.

Dan
 
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JiminGa said:
dan, I would not put a tiller in there until you have dealt with the stone, you could quickly destroy a very expensive attachment in stoney ground. rent a skidsteer with a rockhound and see how that works.

Thank you, Jim! We had never heard of a skidsteer or rockhound. I believe some other people have commented on this below also. Getting rid of rocks is not a particular goal we have, but if that's something we have to do first before we can do tilling or something similar, then we're willing to go that route.

Dan
 
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4720 OWNER said:
May want to check if any of those naughty weeds spread by root cuttings. Knew a guy who disced a field of thistle. The next year he had the best thistle field of anyone!

Thanks for the reply. Are you saying that tilling/discing the field actually caused things to get worse? I guess that makes sense if cutting up the roots and underground vines just creates more places for them to fork out...

Dan
 
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zeuspaul said:
I would go for a tractor with at least a top cylinder and a brush mower. Then just mow your fields a couple of times per year. If you go big enough you can back over the the brush piles and skip the chipper. Use the FEL to go after some of the rocks that get in the way of the mower. You will find a lot of other uses for the tractor.Zeuspaul

Thank you, Zeus. I hadn't thought of the bonus that we could grind up our wood piles with a large enough tractor attachment. We definitely have a lot of wood piles. We've been making the piles by hand before we move through with the DR. If we decide to go this way, we might need to keep up with it using the DR for another season or two before we can make the big leap to a full tractor.

Dan
 
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toolsorbust said:
ive cleared out thickets by bush hogging it works well if you have the time. To do it this way you need to mow every thing down three times a year. When the weeds and such come up mow em down before they seed. If you do this for a couple of years the grass will come back and the weeds will go away. Now for the kudzu ive only found one wat to get totaly rid of it and that is to move! In its peak growing season it will grow a foot a day. Live stock is a great way to keep it back I know that cows prefer kudsu to grass. I had kudzu and it took about ten years but my pasture was finaly free from it. Goats work well for clearing thickets if you can put up with the smell. Pigs work very well, If you dont pen them up in a small area the smell from pigs is no more that cows. Pigs will root up everything in sight, They are the organic tiller so to speak. You can run one electric wire 12" above the ground and they wont cross it. These are just my thoughts on this I would rather work with nature than to try and beat it into submission.

Thank you, toolsorbust. I like the suggestion of the pigs as an organic tiller. Even better than the goats because they go under the surface. I also appreciate the insight that if we keep cutting the weeds before they seed each year that they'll be overtaken by grass eventually. I wonder, though, how that will translate to our "weeds" which are mostly privet and sticker bushes that have roots already in the ground--maybe each time we mow those get weaker, but my fear was that they would just keep coming back stronger... The privets can grow three our four feet in a season no problem.

We have two fairly localized kudzu infestations. So far we've been attacking it by tracing the vines to the much larger roots/vines, and then we attack those big mothers. We've found and cut out some very large kudzu vines. We've also now mowed down all the milkweed and privet that the kudzu was using as a base. We're going to keep attacking it and hopefully we will eventually prevail.

Dan
 
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It is sounding like you just need a dozer to come in and scrape off an inch or so and start over! With such a history, anyone use a metal detector in there and see if any goodies were left over? Sudan grass or lately the teff hay seem to be dandy competitors for weeds. Or any of the annual hay crops.
 
 
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