New Woods tiller problem.....

   / New Woods tiller problem..... #41  
2-bolt doesn't automatically make it better or "heavy duty".
You better tell Howard or Kuhn that, because NONE of their "heavy duty" tillers have the one bolt design.

I have never seen a HD tiller of any brand that has the one bolt design... I have three tillers, all have two bolts, and all are HD.

SR
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #42  
You better tell Howard or Kuhn that, because NONE of their "heavy duty" tillers have the one bolt design.

I have never seen a HD tiller of any brand that has the one bolt design... I have three tillers, all have two bolts, and all are HD.

SR
Congratulations your sample size of 3 tillers makes you the expert. You made a false statement.......and now its your opinion that 2-bolts is good, 1-bolt is bad. And you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

I stand by my statement that the number of bolts is no indication of the "duty" of the tiller. I have seen good designs of both 1 and 2 bolts.

Far more important factors when considering a tiller rather than the number of tine bolts.
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #43  
Congratulations your sample size of 3 tillers makes you the expert. You made a false statement.......and now its your opinion that 2-bolts is good, 1-bolt is bad. And you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

I stand by my statement that the number of bolts is no indication of the "duty" of the tiller. I have seen good designs of both 1 and 2 bolts.

Far more important factors when considering a tiller rather than the number of tine bolts.
First of all, WHO says I only have 3??

Secondly, It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of Howard, Kuhn and many others who build HD tillers. They use two bolts, and if it wasn't better I'm betting they would use one.

Some of the Howards are rated for over 200 HP, is that HD enough for you???

BTW, what's YOUR sample size? Do you even own a HD tiller??

SR
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #44  
First of all, WHO says I only have 3??

Secondly, It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of Howard, Kuhn and many others who build HD tillers. They use two bolts, and if it wasn't better I'm betting they would use one.

Some of the Howards are rated for over 200 HP, is that HD enough for you???

BTW, what's YOUR sample size? Do you even own a HD tiller??

SR
You are the one who said you had 3 tillers.

You also falsely said all tines have two bolts. And that you have never seen a tiller with one bolt per tine. When in fact many manufactures have used single bolt tines...now and in the past.

You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.

Not sure what your beef is with me? Because I called out a false statement when I saw it and it happened to be your statement?

Your entitled to your opinion on what is better.
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #45  
You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.
4ft woods fwd direction in March 2021 (+/- few weeks, bought with tax refund) was 2413 $
5 year gearbox and 1 year side gears no questions asked warranty.
and I am in very rocky soil.
slip clutches are also a very good thing LOL
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #46  
You are the one who said you had 3 tillers.

You also falsely said all tines have two bolts. And that you have never seen a tiller with one bolt per tine. When in fact many manufactures have used single bolt tines...now and in the past.

You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.

Not sure what your beef is with me? Because I called out a false statement when I saw it and it happened to be your statement?

Your entitled to your opinion on what is better.
I said that I have 3 tillers that are HD, not that I only have 3 tillers... I'm still waiting for you to tell me how many "your sample" of HD tillers, is??? Have you ever even used a HD tiller?

All HD tillers that I've seen, DO have two bolts per blade, if you can name/show me otherwise that would be great, unless you consider a garden tiller HD.

I do commercial tilling, (mostly fields) so I do have an idea of what works and what a HD tiller looks like. I have over two thousand acres on one of my Howards, and it's still going strong with only normal maintenance and a minimal repairs.

No false statements made here, but I must have made some you didn't like. lol

SR
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #47  
fwiw, the woods single bolt uses a grade 8 bolt there. when set properly it rides against a protrusion on plates. yes it will loosen, the loosen warns you by the noise. slip clutch plate on pto (if set right) will slip before any breakage.
is it a HD commercial unit? no prob not.
but anything expensive that can break is in gearbox and 5 yr warranty. all other stuff 1 year.
bolts are cheap, tines can be fixed if needed.
I actually do hours of tilling each week in, as stated, rocky soil.
my average rock is softball size or larger at approx 4" depth and are many of them. I do normal vegatable gardens (mine is 40x75ft), strawberry, cultivated blueberry, blackberry (those suck due to roots) plots. I've had no issues.
buy the item that works on your tractor for the needs you have and drive on.
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #48  
This system relies on a double flange so the blade is not mounted cantilevered on one flange. It reduces stress on the bolt. The blade also sets against the rotor tube. This system is more durable that the 2 bolt mounting system on the past two tillers I used prior to buying a Woods RT model. I believe they mentioned this was patented for this reason. It has been working good in hard conditions for 5 years.
 
   / New Woods tiller problem..... #49  
This system relies on a double flange so the blade is not mounted cantilevered on one flange. It reduces stress on the bolt. The blade also sets against the rotor tube. This system is more durable that the 2 bolt mounting system on the past two tillers I used prior to buying a Woods RT model. I believe they mentioned this was patented for this reason. It has been working good in hard conditions for 5 years.
woods manuals for RT/RTR 42.30 to 72.40 specifically state tine should NOT be resting against tube.
smack that tube hard at bad time and things get expensive.

Rotate blade backwards until blade profile is seated
on flange embossments in the flange pockets.
the embossments are not next to tube.

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   / New Woods tiller problem..... #50  
I said that I have 3 tillers that are HD, not that I only have 3 tillers... I'm still waiting for you to tell me how many "your sample" of HD tillers, is??? Have you ever even used a HD tiller?

All HD tillers that I've seen, DO have two bolts per blade, if you can name/show me otherwise that would be great, unless you consider a garden tiller HD.

I do commercial tilling, (mostly fields) so I do have an idea of what works and what a HD tiller looks like. I have over two thousand acres on one of my Howards, and it's still going strong with only normal maintenance and a minimal repairs.

No false statements made here, but I must have made some you didn't like. lol

SR
Your false statements were post 17 where you stayed every time should have 2 bolts and in post 21 where you said the dealer either installed it wrong or something else isn't right.

By your own statement you have 200hp rated heavy duty tillers that use 2 bolts. By that logic one bolt should be good for 100hp right? And most people here are running a tiller behind a 30-40hp tractor. So what's the problem?
 

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