New Woods tiller problem.....

[Sawyer Rob]

2-bolt doesn't automatically make it better or "heavy duty".

You better tell Howard or Kuhn that, because NONE of their "heavy duty" tillers have the one bolt design.

I have never seen a HD tiller of any brand that has the one bolt design... I have three tillers, all have two bolts, and all are HD.

SR

 

[LD1]

You better tell Howard or Kuhn that, because NONE of their "heavy duty" tillers have the one bolt design.

I have never seen a HD tiller of any brand that has the one bolt design... I have three tillers, all have two bolts, and all are HD.

SR

Congratulations your sample size of 3 tillers makes you the expert. You made a false statement.......and now its your opinion that 2-bolts is good, 1-bolt is bad. And you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

I stand by my statement that the number of bolts is no indication of the "duty" of the tiller. I have seen good designs of both 1 and 2 bolts.

Far more important factors when considering a tiller rather than the number of tine bolts.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Congratulations your sample size of 3 tillers makes you the expert. You made a false statement.......and now its your opinion that 2-bolts is good, 1-bolt is bad. And you are entitled to your opinion as am I.

I stand by my statement that the number of bolts is no indication of the "duty" of the tiller. I have seen good designs of both 1 and 2 bolts.

Far more important factors when considering a tiller rather than the number of tine bolts.

First of all, WHO says I only have 3??

Secondly, It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of Howard, Kuhn and many others who build HD tillers. They use two bolts, and if it wasn't better I'm betting they would use one.

Some of the Howards are rated for over 200 HP, is that HD enough for you???

BTW, what's YOUR sample size? Do you even own a HD tiller??

SR

 

[LD1]

First of all, WHO says I only have 3??

Secondly, It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of Howard, Kuhn and many others who build HD tillers. They use two bolts, and if it wasn't better I'm betting they would use one.

Some of the Howards are rated for over 200 HP, is that HD enough for you???

BTW, what's YOUR sample size? Do you even own a HD tiller??

SR

You are the one who said you had 3 tillers.

You also falsely said all tines have two bolts. And that you have never seen a tiller with one bolt per tine. When in fact many manufactures have used single bolt tines...now and in the past.

You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.

Not sure what your beef is with me? Because I called out a false statement when I saw it and it happened to be your statement?

Your entitled to your opinion on what is better.

 

[Dmacleo]

You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.

4ft woods fwd direction in March 2021 (+/- few weeks, bought with tax refund) was 2413 $
5 year gearbox and 1 year side gears no questions asked warranty.
and I am in very rocky soil.
slip clutches are also a very good thing LOL

 

[Sawyer Rob]

You are the one who said you had 3 tillers.

You also falsely said all tines have two bolts. And that you have never seen a tiller with one bolt per tine. When in fact many manufactures have used single bolt tines...now and in the past.

You also assume its wrong....tell the OP to "run, not walk" away from likely a $2500 purchase he just made that there is nothing wrong with.

Not sure what your beef is with me? Because I called out a false statement when I saw it and it happened to be your statement?

Your entitled to your opinion on what is better.

I said that I have 3 tillers that are HD, not that I only have 3 tillers... I'm still waiting for you to tell me how many "your sample" of HD tillers, is??? Have you ever even used a HD tiller?

All HD tillers that I've seen, DO have two bolts per blade, if you can name/show me otherwise that would be great, unless you consider a garden tiller HD.

I do commercial tilling, (mostly fields) so I do have an idea of what works and what a HD tiller looks like. I have over two thousand acres on one of my Howards, and it's still going strong with only normal maintenance and a minimal repairs.

No false statements made here, but I must have made some you didn't like. lol

SR

 

[Dmacleo]

fwiw, the woods single bolt uses a grade 8 bolt there. when set properly it rides against a protrusion on plates. yes it will loosen, the loosen warns you by the noise. slip clutch plate on pto (if set right) will slip before any breakage.
is it a HD commercial unit? no prob not.
but anything expensive that can break is in gearbox and 5 yr warranty. all other stuff 1 year.
bolts are cheap, tines can be fixed if needed.
I actually do hours of tilling each week in, as stated, rocky soil.
my average rock is softball size or larger at approx 4" depth and are many of them. I do normal vegatable gardens (mine is 40x75ft), strawberry, cultivated blueberry, blackberry (those suck due to roots) plots. I've had no issues.
buy the item that works on your tractor for the needs you have and drive on.

 

[rdewey]

This system relies on a double flange so the blade is not mounted cantilevered on one flange. It reduces stress on the bolt. The blade also sets against the rotor tube. This system is more durable that the 2 bolt mounting system on the past two tillers I used prior to buying a Woods RT model. I believe they mentioned this was patented for this reason. It has been working good in hard conditions for 5 years.

 

[Dmacleo]

This system relies on a double flange so the blade is not mounted cantilevered on one flange. It reduces stress on the bolt. The blade also sets against the rotor tube. This system is more durable that the 2 bolt mounting system on the past two tillers I used prior to buying a Woods RT model. I believe they mentioned this was patented for this reason. It has been working good in hard conditions for 5 years.

woods manuals for RT/RTR 42.30 to 72.40 specifically state tine should NOT be resting against tube.
smack that tube hard at bad time and things get expensive.

Rotate blade backwards until blade profile is seated
on flange embossments in the flange pockets.

the embossments are not next to tube.

 

[LD1]

I said that I have 3 tillers that are HD, not that I only have 3 tillers... I'm still waiting for you to tell me how many "your sample" of HD tillers, is??? Have you ever even used a HD tiller?

All HD tillers that I've seen, DO have two bolts per blade, if you can name/show me otherwise that would be great, unless you consider a garden tiller HD.

I do commercial tilling, (mostly fields) so I do have an idea of what works and what a HD tiller looks like. I have over two thousand acres on one of my Howards, and it's still going strong with only normal maintenance and a minimal repairs.

No false statements made here, but I must have made some you didn't like. lol

SR

Your false statements were post 17 where you stayed every time should have 2 bolts and in post 21 where you said the dealer either installed it wrong or something else isn't right.

By your own statement you have 200hp rated heavy duty tillers that use 2 bolts. By that logic one bolt should be good for 100hp right? And most people here are running a tiller behind a 30-40hp tractor. So what's the problem?

 

[Little Red Tractor]

Is that clanking all the time or just when the unit is raised high ?

I had that issue. I'm much more careful about raising the tiller at the end of the rows now.

 

[Dmacleo]

I had that issue. I'm much more careful about raising the tiller at the end of the rows now.

due to way pats hitches act like a 3.5" extension of the lift bars I gain a lot of lift but due to extra length my angle of attacks (as far as I can tell with shields on) very very close to org no hitch specs.
normal titan quick hitch 4.5" longer yet maintains same plane as end of lift bars so no extra height, angle really good then.
but I like the extra lift height.
but....I do my best to make it habit to shut pto off as soon as tines start to clear the dirt.
why risk it? also depending on tilling path no sense leaving it running 2+ minutes up in air

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Your false statements were post 17 where you stayed every time should have 2 bolts and in post 21 where you said the dealer either installed it wrong or something else isn't right.

By your own statement you have 200hp rated heavy duty tillers that use 2 bolts. By that logic one bolt should be good for 100hp right? And most people here are running a tiller behind a 30-40hp tractor. So what's the problem?

#17, There should be 2 bolts holding every tine.

#21, I've never heard of a tiller using one bolt, either they are installed wrong or something else just isn't right.

I can't imagine it holding up with one bolt per tine, I'd be talking to my dealer...

There's what I wrote, as for #17, I still think that on a HD tiller two bolts should be used...

As for #21, I have not seen a tiller that only used 1 bolt per tine, and I still have never even heard of a HD tiller using 1 bolt, what part of that don't you understand?? NOW I see, some company's have cheapened their design down to a single bolt, that caused this thread to begin with!

As for my own logic, where did you come up with that?? You making stuff up now? I stated there are tillers made for tractors with over 200 pto HP to run them, have you ever seen one??? IF you ever do, you will see how they are built to take that kind of HP.

My HD tiller, built to take 100hp has two bolts, as does my HD tiller that's made to take 65hp. I believe another one of my HD tillers is made to take about 40hp, I don't remember for sure. All of them have drive line slip clutches.

You still haven't told me all about YOUR HD tiller that you learned your vast tiller knowledge from! I don't think you ever ran one let alone actually own one. My tiller knowledge comes from my commercial tilling business that I started in 1983, so I have learned a few things along the way...

SO, I'm done answering you, as once a poster starts making stuff up, they are too far gone to believe anything they have to say. So, fire away and enjoy yourself. lol

SR

 

[LD1]

There's what I wrote, as for #17, I still think that on a HD tiller two bolts should be used...

As for #21, I have not seen a tiller that only used 1 bolt per tine, and I still have never even heard of a HD tiller using 1 bolt, what part of that don't you understand?? NOW I see, some company's have cheapened their design down to a single bolt, that caused this thread to begin with!

As for my own logic, where did you come up with that?? You making stuff up now? I stated there are tillers made for tractors with over 200 pto HP to run them, have you ever seen one??? IF you ever do, you will see how they are built to take that kind of HP.

My HD tiller, built to take 100hp has two bolts, as does my HD tiller that's made to take 65hp. I believe another one of my HD tillers is made to take about 40hp, I don't remember for sure. All of them have drive line slip clutches.

You still haven't told me all about YOUR HD tiller that you learned your vast tiller knowledge from! I don't think you ever ran one let alone actually own one. My tiller knowledge comes from my commercial tilling business that I started in 1983, so I have learned a few things along the way...

SO, I'm done answering you, as once a poster starts making stuff up, they are too far gone to believe anything they have to say. So, fire away and enjoy yourself. lol

SR

I know exactly what you wrote. You made false statements and I called you out on it and now you are going on the defensive.

Clearly the OP's tiller doesn't meet your definition of a HD tiller. Fair enough. It still only has one bolt per tine, and it wasnt assembled wrong by the dealer or something else wrong with the way the tines are mounted as you claim.

Im not making anything up and dont know what your beef with me is. This is supposed to be educational. You clearly admitted you havent seen tillers with single bolt tines. I have seen, operated, and worked on several. I wouldnt call them inferior in any way. Just a different design in how to support and retain a tine is all. There are good and bad of both types. Most of the single-bolt tines do NOT rely on the bolt to support the tine entirely as 2-bolt tines are often attached.

Here is an example of a bobcat tiller made for a skidloader that has single bolt tines

https://www.machinerytrader.com/listing/for-sale/194880931/2017-bobcat-tiller-62-other

Older yanmars....(while not exactly heavy duty tillers) have a bit different approach to single bolt. There is a welded pocket the tine inserts into and the bolt simply retains the tine in the pocket

 

[JGRE]

Thanks for commenting. I'll tighten those up today.....but I'm with sawyer rob ...I feel like running away from this one. I'm going to feel uneasy every time i use the unit. If they loosened that soon after use being brand new seems like it will happen all the time. Not sure if I want to keep it or not.

Ive got this exact issue now. It's been over two years since your post. Have you experienced additional problems or were you able to simply.tighten the bolt?

 

[Mike1955]

Thanks for commenting. I'll tighten those up today.....but I'm with sawyer rob ...I feel like running away from this one. I'm going to feel uneasy every time i use the unit. If they loosened that soon after use being brand new seems like it will happen all the time. Not sure if I want to keep it or not.

Sir after you get it all worked out I think you will really enjoy it. I use mine all the time. Have different things in the truck patch coming in all time. I’ve got a big old Massey and I chisel plow my ground before I till, but that’s only because I have the time and equipment. Good luck

 

[loulblades]

I have used my Woods tiller quite a bit over the years (our garden, daughter's garden, neighbor's garden).

My process for tilling is to throttle down at start of a row, put tiller down and engage when it comes in contact with the ground and throttle up. I set the drop rate on slow so I am not in a big rush. I use my legs on the steering wheel to keep the tractor straight and have my right hand on the 3pt lever and left on the pto lever. At the end of the row I pull back on the pto and lift at close to the same time.

Works for me.

 

[lman]

I've been using my Woods tiller for 25 years. I noticed when I began using it that the universal joints don't like it when you raise it all the way up and it's engaged. It makes a lot of noise, so if it's engaged I raise it just enough to clear the ground.

 

[loulblades]

Yes I agree that the ujoints don't like being raised all the way up before disengaging.