New JD 2038r!!!!

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SI2305

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WHOOOO HOOO!!!!! my new tractor arrived today

Why I made the move:
I loved my old 2305 and a small part of my soul is still attached to that tractor. I had it for 13 years, it moved mountains, plowed snow, hauled timber, mowed my lawn, trails and field grass for years. I really could not have expected that tractor to do more, or even close to as much as it did for all those years, but in the end I had to make the move up for one simple reason--my wife wants me to keep our grassy field area (4-5 acres) mowed on a more regular basis as opposed to the once-per-year mowing I gave it up to now. I told my wife that if I was going to mow more frequently, I needed a larger tractor. Reasons being 1) most importantly I have a bad back and the rough ground and small tires and frame of the 2305 make hours of mowing quite painful. #2) Time. If I am going to mow this regularly, I want it done quickly. #3) I wanted this to be the last tractor I ever buy so I want whatever I buy to be compatible with whatever attachment I want (something of an issue with subcompact tractors--think flail mowers) With that in mind I went tractor shopping, looked at several brands and landed back at Deere. I did so specifically because of this tractor. It is far larger than the 2305, comes with 30 PTO hp and has a frame size that approaches the 3 series, but for a far cheaper price.

First impressions
This will have to be a thread that I update a few times because as of now, I have only had a few minutes on the tractor, just enough to get me familiarized (back issues). OK, so my first impression is that it is BIG. This is not surprising as I came from a subcompact, but really, this is large even for a 2 series. As I looked at other 2 series tractors on the dealer lot, all the other 2 series reminded me of the old 2520. They were respectable tractors, but they looked more like they were intended to be lawn mowers first. The 2038r is big step up even from the 2032r which itself is a very nice tractor. I really have to step quite up into the seat. From that spot I have a commanding view of my surroundings and I still have a nice, planted feeling. Not tippy at all as I was afraid when going larger. I am still getting used to the new operator station as the old 2305 is drilled in to me, but basically the transition is a smooth one--all of the ergonomics came out just right. I am a tall man and I just fit into the seat very well, no cramped feeling I got from some other tractors. The biggest change by far for me is having a 6' rotary cutter behind me. Though the tractor is nimble for its size, I still have quite a lot equipment sticking out behind me. That is something that I will simply have to develop a new feel for. The loader control is extremely nice. One of the reasons I have stuck with John Deere (and also not gone with a 3E series) is simply that I think the loader controls should be part of the tractor and not the loader. It is more ergonomic, and leaves the right side of the tractor open for mounting/dismounting. In the case of the 2038r, the loader control is a short stick to the fender, not the long stick to the floor like my 2305. It has a very positive feel to it. The loader is FAST, at least compared to my 2305. In fact, the first time I raised the bucket I was surprised how fast it responded. The new stick is very sensitive, so I am having to slightly re-adjust the way I raise and lower the bucket. I know this will take some time but that is just part of owning a new machine. It is also nice that the instrument cluster has a temperature gauge instead of an idiot light. On the right fender is the console with numerous punch outs for new switches and controls as I need them. One control missing on mine was the little knob for adjusting the MMM. This is fine with me as this tractor is never intended to be a lawn mower. Correspondingly, there is also no mid PTO which is also fine as I have never once had a need for it in my older 2305. Also, by avoiding the mid PTO I saved 6K! For me this is absolutely perfect as for some time I had an interest in a larger tractor but had no intent of using it for lawn mowing or blowing snow. The 3E series did tempt me precisely for their lower price in part from a lack of a mid PTO, but this one is perfect, having all the nice ergonomics, loader control in the right place and larger implements. For the record, I mow my lawn with a separate JD zero turn mower we bought on sale last fall.

The one downfall
So everything would have been perfect were it not for one shortcoming. While I was driving it around and getting used to it, I heard a distinct "THUD THUD THUD" and found out that my 3pt sway arms were rubbing against my rear tires. Some quick work with a couple of wrenches and the sway arms are now nice and firmly in place and can't reach the tires. This is not so much a tractor problem as a setup error. Still, the thumping experience was unnerving until solved.

Tomorrow I plan to get the loader in use moving a bunch of tree branches from some serious trimming we did today and I may even play with the 6' Frontier rotary cutter while mowing some trails. Future implements include: A hydraulic offset flail mower, a grader blade for clearing snow, a grapple for moving all the branches, brambles and brush I get while trimming along my fence rows and possibly a box blade for driveway maintenance.


Bigtiller
You wanted me to give a review when I got the machine so I am making this one ASAP. I will update it again tomorrow after it has done some work and I will keep updating it as I get more use out of it. I included a few pictures.


SI2305 (old handle, new tractor)
2018 JD 2038r, 6' rotary cutter
 

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/ New JD 2038r!!!! #3  
Congrats, very nice machine. I have been wrestling with possibly downsizing from my 4510. The new larger frames in some of the new Deere models are interesting.
 
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Rye,

Interesting that we are starting at opposite ends of the tractor spectrum and working in the direction of the same tractor. Today I plan to get out and make use of my high capacity 61" bucket which I had ordered with lift hooks. I plan on cutting down some heavy brush and moving it to a more central location where it will be chipped up for garden beds. If I really get itching to test out the tractor I may try cutting some trails I have in my grassy field area. The only factor holding me back from doing a full on mower test is the extremely wet and soft ground we have right now. However, I will report back once I get some work done outside today.

SI2305 (old handle new tractor)

2018 jd2038r, 6' rotary cutter
 
/ New JD 2038r!!!! #5  
Sl2305
Nice upgrade.
You mention "grapple", and I'm waiting now for delivery of a Green Machine "The Thumb" for my bucket and forks. Will add about 100# of weight but think less weight than a complete grapple/bucket.

Look forward to how your thread here develops with your experiences.
 
/ New JD 2038r!!!! #6  
Congratulations!

I'm in year 13 of mowing 5 acres of rough pasture and swamp with a 2305 and 5 foot RFM. I will be following your posts carefully. I'm curious about the lack of mid mount PTO and how that priced out . I don't see that as an option on the "build" site. That certainly appeals to me.

Also I noticed your after market seat on your 2305. Would you mind sharing some photos of your seat and hardware mounting that you did? I have a ways longer to go with the 2305. I've been looking high and low at what people have done with the seat over the years and particularly the suspension hardware and mounting.

Looking forward to reading about your new tractor adventures.
 
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Congrats...nice setup. :thumbsup:
Think I would play hooky from work couple days. ;)
 
/ New JD 2038r!!!! #8  
I'm envious! And I will be watching for you. Congratulations.
 
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FortClatsop,

Your mowing situation reminds me a lot of my own. For several years my 2305 did lawn mowing duty with a 5' RFM. I was only mowing my 3/4 acre lawn, but that got old quickly as the 2305 with a trailing mower is not all that maneuverable. Now if I were mowing 5 open acres as you described, it may be a different story. Regarding the seat, I bought a new seat with armrests for my father who owns a 1023e. In that particular circumstance it was simply a bolt on replacement. However, the mounting hardware is fundamentally different than the 2305. Eventually I took a gamble and bought the same model for myself. It does indeed bolt on into place, but I have no seat adjustment. The seat is in a full back position. That was fine for me as I am 6'3", but my 5'1" wife can't even touch the pedals (I am a full 14 inches taller than her!).

Also interesting is the timing of your 2305 purchase. Until yesterday I too was a 13 year owner of a 2305. Make no mistake, I LOVED that tractor. I lucked out though, I sold the tractor to my neighbor with the proviso that I can borrow it if I need it for work in an area I can't get the new tractor into.

You also asked about the lack of mid PTO. I actually priced the tractor twice. Last fall I priced the tractor with a loader, 6' rotary cutter and a MMM. On a whim I went in about a month ago and got a similar quote. The difference was that in the meantime I bought a zero turn mower as the RFM had been unreliable and I really did not expect to buy a new tractor (we knew we would be buying one eventually and had money already set aside). After I got the second quote I jumped on it as it was 6k less (24k. vs 18k for the tractor itself). Initially I thought the dealer was making some special offer or made a mistake so I put $1000 down as a deposit. Later he told me that since I did not ask specifically for a mower he assumed (correctly) that I had no intent of using it for finish mowing. You can imagine how pleased I was. I never used the mid PTO on my old 2305, but once it did cause me problems. Early in my 2305 ownership I found hydraulic fluid on the floor. I added more but the leakage continued. Fearing the worst I called the dealer and when I picked the tractor up, the total was under $100. I was preparing myself for thousands of dollars in repairs. The dealer gave me a little bag with oily grass wound together in what looked like an O ring. While bush hogging I accidentally set the PTO selector to both rear and mid configuration and the mid PTO shaft wound up loose grass and ground out the mid PTO seal. I have been very Leary of mid PTO's since then. I just had to share that story with you.

I have rambled on a bit, but I hope this is information you can use. I don't know if you are planning on upgrading in the near future, but I am extremely pleased with my purchase.

SI2305
 
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Nice tractor. It is so nice to see one for a change without that goofy expensive belly mower.
 
/ New JD 2038r!!!! #12  
I never used the mid PTO on my old 2305, but once it did cause me problems. While bush hogging I accidentally set the PTO selector to both rear and mid configuration and the mid PTO shaft wound up loose grass and ground out the mid PTO seal. I have been very Leary of mid PTO's since then.

Some of the 2-series came with plastic covers for the mid and rear PTO (#26 below). The dealers normally throw them away (Duh!). Since I only use my mid-PTO during the winter for a snow blower I always keep the protective cover in place during the summer. It keeps the PTO shaft nice and clean when not in use.
 

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Sl2305, Good info on the MMM PTO on the 2305. No immediate plans to replace mine soon, always looking ahead. I hadn't bought anything in a long time so I'm on a spending bender of sorts (thanks Tractor Time With Tim). I recently landed a 2014 X324 with a 48 inch deck, AWS, and power bagger system. I had been toying with locating an MMM deck for the 2305 to work some close in stuff. At $2000 with 224 hours the X324 was a good find. I had used a 1992 30 inch rear engine XRS75 inside the postage stamp for 14 years. The X324 will fill a big role around here. I just put a spring suspension TracSeat on the 2305 for under a hundred bucks. It has answered some geometry questions and I suspect I will upgrade the seat again to a Michigan and probably do something seat wise on the 324 also. Pretty bumpy around here. Shoulder problems from eight years ago have migrated to neck and upper back. In sticking with the 2305 I have justified to myself ordering a bunch of stuff from Heavy Hitch and Artillian. Also mounting a tool box and some other small trinkets. In the coming years I am looking at smoothing out the rougher parts of the pasture which should help the ride. I dream of a 7' RFM some day, not sure that a 2032r would handle it. I will keep my eye on the 2038r as well. I'll bet your neighbor will be pretty happy too. Best Wishes, Bob
 
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Jgayman,

I was dangerously close to getting my tractor with a belly mower. I had the erroneous assumption that a belly mower was cheaper than a dedicated mower, especially a zero turn. I got lucky and saved enough on the mid pto to more than pay for the zero turn. I am not certain how long the zero turn will last, it is a gas engine after all, but that will be a decision for another day and in the meantime I am more than happy to have the nice clearance I have on the machine now. I have not actually measured the ground clearance, but it is certainly in a tremendous improvement over the old 2305.

SI2305 (old handle, new tractor)
 
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Tractor update,

Yesterday I had hoped to get some more seat time, but some land maintenance took precedent. I have about 650 feet worth of living fence that desperately needed trimming so my neighbor (new 2305 owner) and I went in and had to trim some pretty big brush by hand--not the sort of stuff that is tractor conducive. In fact, in some places the brush was overhanging the path I have directly adjacent to the hedge so I had to trim that up to about 8' height to get the new tractor under.

I did, however, get a little bit of seat time moving a few of the branches. At the beginning of my trimming chore I was working by myself, cutting up some of the autumn olive that is so invasive around here. I used a pole saw to cut into the brush (easier than reaching through thorns with a regular chainsaw) and I threw my cut brush onto the bucket of the new tractor. I could definitely carry more brush and it held in better than in the 2305. I made certain to get the 2038r with a 61" wide high capacity bucket. This is 10" wider than the 2305 bucket and that extra width just cradled large, over sized material better. Additionally, I did not have to raise the bucket to near its max to keep trailing twigs and branches from dragging on the ground and getting caught. Just lifting the arms to about level with the hood was perfectly fine. During this time I used the auto-hydro function that links the hydro pedal to the engine throttle. I did not think much of this function at first, but it is nice. While still, the engine idles at a nice, low rumble and then automatically picks up as the hydro pedal (either forward or reverse) gets pressed. The result was that I moved plenty quickly to and from the brush pile and the tractor was running as slow and softly as possible. Presumably the fuel consumption was also low, though I can't really measure that right now.

A little later (after I had finished one major piece of brush and before my neighbor arrived for help) I decided to test out the 6' mower. I have about a thousand feet of rough acreage from the edge of my property to my driveway that parallels the road and I usually keep this area nice and low even when my field is tall. I have to keep the first 15' of roadside grass short or the county mows it for me--something that just sticks in my craw! At any rate, I drove the tractor down to the edge of the property and set up the mower. I had played around with the mower deck height after it arrived so I had to re-adjust to get the deck level, but retain enough lift that I could really get the mower wheel off the ground. After adjustment, I raised the deck, set the RPM's to about 1500 and engaged the PTO--almost. The PTO control is one of the switches on the right side fender and looks like a little rocker switch. I thought that pushing it forward would engage the PTO. What you actually need to do is first rock the switch forward and then press down firmly again and the little switch light comes on and the PTO starts up. I am used to a 4' rough cutter so I was not certain what to expect from the 6' rough cutter, but the engagement was remarkably gentle, almost more so than the 2305. I then lowered the deck to the surface and started to mow. Mowing was generally smooth and uneventful--a good thing.

As I have said before, my field area of tall grass is a rough, bumpy area to mow with on the 2305. The 2038r, however, seemed to just glide over the surface. I could still tell when I hit bumps, but the bumps were not at all jarring, simply a minor nudge up or down. I thank the much larger rear wheels for the majority of the smoothing action I experienced, but the longer wheel base and the seat suspension played an important roll as well. As far as mowing performance, it cut just fine, though this was hardly much of a test of its mowing ability as I only cut maybe 2 inches off. I think my main plan will be to let my grass grow to about 12-18", tall enough to make my walking paths clear, but not tall enough that the grass turns amber. I will then mow down to about 4-6 inches or so and let it grow back up again. I may have to increase my mowing in the later summer in order to get the weeds that shoot up to 7'. I am sure my wife will let me know what is too tall and I will update this thread as my mowing continues. However, that single 1000' strip did mow nicely, the tractor was very smooth on rough ground and the 6' mower cut a nice wide path. I am thinking that my mow time will be drastically reduced from here on out.

One other note about mowing. My 2305, being much closer to the ground, was perpetually bathed in a nice, steady stream of fluffy seeds, dust, chaff and other mowing debris. I always had my bucket edge out trying to push the material down before it reached the tractor grill, but without fail, whenever I mowed my tall grass, I would overheat the engine. I am curious as to how well this tractor will stand up to mowing dust/debris. I may have very little of mowing debris if I keep up with the mowing and keep it down far enough that it basically always stays green and never dries out. If that is so, then that eliminates another, substantial chunk of time I always experienced while bush hogging--stopping regularly to clean the grill and filter and stopping (mowing, not the engine) when the temp light came on.

That is about all I have for now, but I can't wait to get on the machine and update some more.

SI2305 (old handle, new tractor)
 
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Nice upgrade and interesting comparison of model features, benefits, etc. One suggestion to make it easier to read for your 'fans': use more paragraphs. Reading a long continuous, no breaks page(s) of info is real hard on the eyes/mind.
 
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Maybe organize it by chapters too.. :D
 
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Coyote machine, beenthere,

I actually have to edit and proofread others' writings for a living. You would think I would proofread my own reading better. I hope this modification is helpful.

SI2305
 
/ New JD 2038r!!!! #19  
The thing I noticed about the bumps was the 2305 bounced me up & down and the 2720 bounces me left & right.

I like how your auto-hydro function works, wish I had it.
 
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bigtiller,

Had the auto-hydro been an option I likely would have opted to not include it in order to saver a few bucks. However, now that I have it I find that I like it. Generally when I use it I have the throttle set at idle. However, say you have the throttle set at 1/4, then 1/4 will be the lowest engine output and any time it needs more engine, it ups the throttle automatically. I think it is most practical in the quick loading/unloading loader type of work.

SI2305
 

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