New Appalachian 20K Trailer ordered

[nisaacs]

I just got an update on the cast ball coupler.
Rating is 25,000Lbs
Tongue rating is 5,000lbs.

That's interesting, please post a picture of it when you get it, must be massive. The best I can find is the Gen-Y Hitch @ 32k/3.2k.

Description: ADMIRAL Coupler - Flat Plate Mount - Cast - SnapLatch 32K Capacity - 3200 LB Tongue weight

 

[TMGT]

That's interesting, please post a picture of it when you get it, must be massive. The best I can find is the Gen-Y Hitch @ 32k/3.2k.

Description: ADMIRAL Coupler - Flat Plate Mount - Cast - SnapLatch 32K Capacity - 3200 LB Tongue weight

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I have a 25k bulldog coupler I put on my dump trailer. Not at home to verify, but I remember it being 5k rated tongue weight.

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[Hay Dude]

That's interesting, please post a picture of it when you get it, must be massive. The best I can find is the Gen-Y Hitch @ 32k/3.2k.

Description: ADMIRAL Coupler - Flat Plate Mount - Cast - SnapLatch 32K Capacity - 3200 LB Tongue weight

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[Hay Dude]

I bought a 10k Appalachian trailer about 4yrs ago. Back then the wait time was about 5 weeks. They use Dexter axle assemblies and the curb weight of them is nearly the same as other brands so idk what makes them so economy. The tires are a consumable so is lights, wireing and the wood deck. Mine dosnt even have LED lights but really dosnt bother me. I could change them all out to LED for under $100, but I haven't had a single fail yet.

They are economy in the sense that I priced out a PJ and Diamond C and those trailers for 50 to 75% more.
The Diamond C's have a much higher quality paint job and more attention to detail.

 

[jeepcoma]

Just curious, why not a GN hitch for a trailer this heavy?

 

[nisaacs]

I have a 25k bulldog coupler I put on my dump trailer. Not at home to verify, but I remember it being 5k rated tongue weight.

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That's good to know. Is it a channel mount or flat face? Some vendors and even some manufacturers are bad about listing all the specs, especially the vertical load. Also, some hitches don't offer the 3/4" mounting pattern, only 5/8"

I found a Bulldog 25k flat face but no hitch rating listed.

BULLDOG | 4425000317 | Adjustable Coupler, 2-5/16 Inch Diameter, Wedge Latch, w/o Coupler Channel, 25,000 lbs. Capacity, Gray

Brand:	BULLDOG
Part Number:	4425000317
Warranty:	Limited 5 Year Warranty
UPC:	016118085549
Dimensions:	9.4" x 6.75" x 6" (Shipping)
Weight:	12.25 lbs
Ball Diameter:	2.313 in.
Capacity:	25,000 lbs.
Material:	Steel
Hitch Class:	V
Safety Chains Included:	No
Prop 65:	Yes
Prop 65 Warning:	WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm – www.p65warnings.ca.gov
Prop 65 Chemical:	Chromium

 

[Hay Dude]

@nisaccs,

This is more of what I’m in the market for. A big tandem with a trailer towing set-up.
12 bales on the truck, 8 on the trailer. Thats 35,000lbs of hay in one delivery.
Right now, I am doing about 25,000lbs in one delivery.

According to my rough math, I will save almost 2 full weeks of time just on delivering hay, if I go to this set-up

I think this one can handle an air-brake pup trailer.

That truck you showed is way too light duty. I can carry a lot more on my current 35’ GN

 

[nisaacs]

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Good info, thanks. I noticed TSC carried Wallaceforge but only up to 20k. I didn't think to look for the manufacturer. Hanna RV carries the 25k but they don't list the vertical load, gripes me.

 

[Highlandr]

Just curious, why not a GN hitch for a trailer this heavy?

No 5th wheel on future tow vehicle.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just curious, why not a GN hitch for a trailer this heavy?

I already have a 38,500lb GN.
35’ long, dual 16K tandems with 17.5” wheel/tires.

I’m keeping this trailer. It’s paid off and in excellent conditions. Using it for hay and haul excavator, or the smaller farm tractors.

 

[TMGT]

That's good to know. Is it a channel mount or flat face? Some vendors and even some manufacturers are bad about listing all the specs, especially the vertical load. Also, some hitches don't offer the 3/4" mounting pattern, only 5/8"

I found a Bulldog 25k flat face but no hitch rating listed.

BULLDOG | 4425000317 | Adjustable Coupler, 2-5/16 Inch Diameter, Wedge Latch, w/o Coupler Channel, 25,000 lbs. Capacity, Gray

View attachment 5377863

Brand:	BULLDOG
Part Number:	4425000317
Warranty:	Limited 5 Year Warranty
UPC:	016118085549
Dimensions:	9.4" x 6.75" x 6" (Shipping)
Weight:	12.25 lbs
Ball Diameter:	2.313 in.
Capacity:	25,000 lbs.
Material:	Steel
Hitch Class:	V
Safety Chains Included:	No
Prop 65:	Yes
Prop 65 Warning:	WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm – www.p65warnings.ca.gov
Prop 65 Chemical:	Chromium

Flat face like that one, I don't think they make a channel version with that much capacity, the 2 bolts holding it would probably be the limiting factor.

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[nisaacs]

@nisaccs,

This is more of what I’m in the market for. A big tandem with a trailer towing set-up.
12 bales on the truck, 8 on the trailer. Thats 35,000lbs of hay in one delivery.
Right now, I am doing about 25,000lbs in one delivery.

According to my rough math, I will save almost 2 full weeks of time just on delivering hay, if I go to this set-up

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That truck you showed is way too light duty. I can carry a lot more on my current 35’ GN

I understand, nice truck. I just looked at your hay production, 1200 of those big suckers is a huge delivery job. Never mind what it takes to make them.

 

[Hay Dude]

I understand, nice truck. I just looked at your hay production, 1200 of those big suckers is a huge delivery job. Never mind what it takes to make them.

I currently average 15 bales per trip.
It takes me 80 deliveries to deliver all the mushroom hay.
Each delivery is about 4+ hours. 80 x 4 = 320 hours or 40 days.

With a tandem and a trailer, I can haul 20 bales per trip
It would take me 60 deliveries to deliver all the mushroom hay.
So thats 20 less deliveries.
20x4 hours is 80 hours saved, or (2) 40 hour work weeks.

2 weeks is a lot of time saved in my busy season.

This does not include deliveries of feed hay, which wouldn’t likely be done with a future big hay truck, but with the Ram 5500 and a trailer.

 

[civilian]

Can the truck shown in post 27, have a GN ball to handle the GN trailer that your Ram 5500 pulls? Deck heights close to being the same?Jon

 

[Hay Dude]

Can the truck shown in post 27, have a GN ball to handle the GN trailer that your Ram 5500 pulls? Deck heights close to being the same?Jon

Not really-the deck height on those kind of tandems is probably a foot higher, BUT you could make a hitch with a 3” ball on the back of the frame of the truck. Not very common, though. Only have seen 1 or 2 guys pull a GN behind a tandem flatbed.
My future plan is to put bales on the tandem, then tow the Appalachian flatbed using a traditional bumper pull hitch.

The Sterling tandem is something I trying to get in the future. Until then, the 5500 will do all the hay hauling.

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Not really-the deck height on those kind of tandems is probably a foot higher, BUT you could make a hitch with a 3” ball on the back of the frame of the truck. Not very common, though. Only have seen 1 or 2 guys pull a GN behind a tandem flatbed.

It's probably doable if you want to. I pulled my gooseneck using the 5th wheel on my Pete and an adapter. There was still a bit of adjustment left on the coupler.

I don't like the forces involved when using the adapter, so made a "receiver" for a B&W turnover ball. Now both the 5th wheel and gooseneck ball can be used as needed.