new 2720 on the way

[wooden]

New member here. 318 and new 2720 .........

From an earlier post:

I have not received my new tractor as yet but still have a few questions about power beyond and diverter valve. I ordered the 2720 with a 200cx loader and 62D belly mower Backhoe will come later, However, I was told I needed a power beyond kit to get hydraulics to the back of the tractor if I wanted to run a backhoe or any other accessories. not having the tractor in hand as yet makes it difficult to understand all this.

#1...What exactly is a diverter valve ? I was told I need it if I wanted to lift the mower deck hydraulically . This would free up the three point for other use.

#2 how difficult is it to install a power beyond kit?

I live in the US Virgin Islands , so I can't just drive over to a John Deere dealer to ask these questions. There are no Deere dealers here.

 

[kennyd]

Welcome to TBN

#1. The diverter "diverts" fluid from from the dump/curl circuit of the loader to the deck cylinder. So instead of the left/right motion of the joystick moving the bucket, it raises the deck up and down. You don't "need" it at all-but it is convenient if you leave the FEL attached when mowing. My suggestion is to not have both attached at the same time anyway-they are just to easy to remove.

2. Fairly easy. You remove the right rear wheel, then the mid-SCV, then replace the block between the valve and the tranny with the one in the kit (after installing the plug and hoses) then replace the valve. Then mount the bracket at the rear and install the QD's, hoses, and the loop hose.

 

[LoPresti Lawnscape]

Welcome to TBN

#1. The diverter "diverts" fluid from from the dump/curl circuit of the loader to the deck cylinder. So instead of the left/right motion of the joystick moving the bucket, it raises the deck up and down. You don't "need" it at all-but it is convenient if you leave the FEL attached when mowing. My suggestion is to not have both attached at the same time anyway-they are just to easy to remove.

2. Fairly easy. You remove the right rear wheel, then the mid-SCV, then replace the block between the valve and the tranny with the one in the kit (after installing the plug and hoses) then replace the valve. Then mount the bracket at the rear and install the QD's, hoses, and the loop hose.

Then you ride the tractor down to the market for a 9 dollar gallon of milk.

My girlfriend was going to accept a job in the Virgin Islands until we looked at how expensive it is to live there.

I'm curious what it's costing to ship this 2720 from the states.

 

[wooden]

Welcome to TBN

#1. The diverter "diverts" fluid from from the dump/curl circuit of the loader to the deck cylinder. So instead of the left/right motion of the joystick moving the bucket, it raises the deck up and down. You don't "need" it at all-but it is convenient if you leave the FEL attached when mowing. My suggestion is to not have both attached at the same time anyway-they are just to easy to remove.

2. Fairly easy. You remove the right rear wheel, then the mid-SCV, then replace the block between the valve and the tranny with the one in the kit (after installing the plug and hoses) then replace the valve. Then mount the bracket at the rear and install the QD's, hoses, and the loop hose.

_________Now I am confused. I thought the deck had its own lifting lever. Are you saying its better to use the three point to lift the deck? Ok, what's a FEL? and a scv? The dealer will be installing the diverter valve but I have the job for the power beyond, so I am more interested in how to do that. I was told it's a pretty easy install. Moving up from a 318 to the 2720 is a big step for me and will be a learning process. Hope you guys are around for backup!!!

I was lead to believe that the diverter valve would free up the 3 point so I didn't have to disconnect the deck each time I want to use my bush hog. but using the same joystick for the deck and the loader seems like a pain in the butt. I was hoping that I'd keep the loader on for front end weight because my land is pretty steep, 35ｰ to 40ｰ slope. and I will need all the weight I can get. Stand by for more questions!!!! Lots of them !!! FEL =front end loader ?

Wooden

 

[kude]

_________Now I am confused. I thought the deck had its own lifting lever. Are you saying its better to use the three point to lift the deck? Ok, what's a FEL? and a scv? The dealer will be installing the diverter valve but I have the job for the power beyond, so I am more interested in how to do that. I was told it's a pretty easy install. Moving up from a 318 to the 2720 is a big step for me and will be a learning process. Hope you guys are around for backup!!!

I was lead to believe that the diverter valve would free up the 3 point so I didn't have to disconnect the deck each time I want to use my bush hog. but using the same joystick for the deck and the loader seems like a pain in the butt. I was hoping that I'd keep the loader on for front end weight because my land is pretty steep, 35ｰ to 40ｰ slope. and I will need all the weight I can get. Stand by for more questions!!!! Lots of them !!! FEL =front end loader ?

Wooden

Ask for indeopendent lift, this switch enables lifting MMM or rear 3 point hitch (not both) with the up down lever.

 

[kennyd]

_________Now I am confused. I thought the deck had its own lifting lever. Are you saying its better to use the three point to lift the deck? Ok, what's a FEL? and a scv? The dealer will be installing the diverter valve but I have the job for the power beyond, so I am more interested in how to do that. I was told it's a pretty easy install. Moving up from a 318 to the 2720 is a big step for me and will be a learning process. Hope you guys are around for backup!!!

I was lead to believe that the diverter valve would free up the 3 point so I didn't have to disconnect the deck each time I want to use my bush hog. but using the same joystick for the deck and the loader seems like a pain in the butt. I was hoping that I'd keep the loader on for front end weight because my land is pretty steep, 35ｰ to 40ｰ slope. and I will need all the weight I can get. Stand by for more questions!!!! Lots of them !!! FEL =front end loader ?

Wooden

FEL=Front End Loader
SCV=Selective Control Valve Or commonly called a "remote". You tractor will have 2 already for the FEL to lift/lower and dump/curl it.

The MMM (Mid Mounted Mower) is normally controlled by the same lever (called the "rockshaft lever") that controls the 3PH (Three Point Hitch). The independent lift kit used a hydraulic cylinder to lift the deck and connects to the loader valve (SCV) ports.

I prefer the regular deck lift (using the 3PH) myself...it does not leak down like the independent lift cylinder is prone to doing, and it's cheaper. You do NOT want to be using a brush hog withe the MMM attached anyway, it reduces your ground clearance to much.

 

[Rob-D]

I prefer the regular deck lift (using the 3PH) myself...it does not leak down like the independent lift cylinder is prone to doing, and it's cheaper. You do NOT want to be using a brush hog withe the MMM attached anyway, it reduces your ground clearance to much.

I agree Kenny, I had nothing but trouble with the hydro mower lift. Everyone complains about it leaking down and I was constantly tapping the lever to bring it back up.
In fact on my new tractor I didn't go with a MMM at all, I got a ztrac instead!

Rob

 

[wooden]

Then you ride the tractor down to the market for a 9 dollar gallon of milk.

My girlfriend was going to accept a job in the Virgin Islands until we looked at how expensive it is to live there.

I'm curious what it's costing to ship this 2720 from the states.

Yup it is a bit costly to live here since everything has to be shipped in. There was a 2720 shipped here a few weeks back with the same freight company I am using, so I asked to see the paper work on it. Their shipping was $1,785.00 which I thought was way too high, so I asked to measure it. Turns out the ROPS were not folded down so they charged for that height. I had a long talk with the shipper and pointed that out to them , at which point they dropped the charges down to $995.00 for shipping mine, and changed his charges to around $1100.00 because of a ballast box . I don't know the guy but sooner or later I will find out who he is and I will know what he ended up paying.

Come on down and visit the islands, you may find you like it. What job did your lady turn down anyway??....... let me guess!! .....Teacher?

Wooden

 

[wooden]

I prefer the regular deck lift (using the 3PH) myself...it does not leak down like the independent lift cylinder is prone to doing, and it's cheaper. You do NOT want to be using a brush hog withe the MMM attached anyway, it reduces your ground clearance to much.


I wish the sales rep would have pointed all this out to me. but I guess the more I spend the bigger his commission would be.

How difficult would it be to switch to the 3point hitch if I decided to do that?
I do plan on removing the MMM when bush hogging for that reason but want to keep the FEL on to feel for stumps and rocks etc. Seems I am in for some learning period. Stand by for the up comming questions!!

Wooden

 

[JD755]

I agree Kenny, I had nothing but trouble with the hydro mower lift. Everyone complains about it leaking down and I was constantly tapping the lever to bring it back up.
In fact on my new tractor I didn't go with a MMM at all, I got a ztrac instead!

Rob

Do these new tractors not have any kind of a mechanical stop for the mower deck position? I have the independent lift cylinder on my 755, but also have a knob on the center floor to set how far down the deck lowers. It is an easily adjusted mechanical stop. When I am using the FEL, I just raise the deck and set the knob to lock it in full up position. No separate valves required. If there is no stop on the new ones I agree it would be a real pain to keep the deck in position without using the 3PH instead.

 

[kennyd]

Do these new tractors not have any kind of a mechanical stop for the mower deck position? I have the independent lift cylinder on my 755, but also have a knob on the center floor to set how far down the deck lowers. It is an easily adjusted mechanical stop. When I am using the FEL, I just raise the deck and set the knob to lock it in full up position. No separate valves required. If there is no stop on the new ones I agree it would be a real pain to keep the deck in position without using the 3PH instead.

The 2305 and 2320 do, while the 2520 and 2720 do not.

 

[JD755]

The 2305 and 2320 do, while the 2520 and 2720 do not.

Bummer.

 

[glc24]

Bummer.

It's not a big deal,and I really don't miss not having one. Just set the little rockshaft stop and you're GTG!:thumbsup:

 

[JD755]

It's not a big deal,and I really don't miss not having one. Just set the little rockshaft stop and you're GTG!:thumbsup:

How do you keep the mower deck raised when you want to use the 3PH for something else?

 

[Rob-D]

The 2305 and 2320 do, while the 2520 and 2720 do not.

Even the 2320 is a pain. When you're mowing a field and you want the deck in its highest position you can't lock it there and it constantly drops even if yuo set the knob.

 

[glc24]

How do you keep the mower deck raised when you want to use the 3PH for something else?

If I use the 3pt for something else,I remove the deck.
One of these days,I'll get around to making brackets to hold it up.

Greg

 

[Rob-D]

If I use the 3pt for something else,I remove the deck.
One of these days,I'll get around to making brackets to hold it up.

Greg

Nice BB Greg!

 

[revitupfaster]

There is an optional "Deck Lock up Kit" available from JD for the 2520/2720 which allows you to mechanically lock the deck up, and still use the 3pth independently. It consists of 2 brackets that are mounted at the rear of the tractor near the 3pth arms, and 2 chains with turnbuckles, that fasten to the brackets and the deck lifting bracket, so you can adjust them. This set up will hold the deck up mechanically and still let you use the 3pth arms independently. I have a 54" blade for the snow, and I wanted to be able to hold up the deck arms independently, because I will also be using a ballast box in the winter for additional traction, and don't want to have to keep the box at the highest position when plowing snow.

Sort of a mickey mouse system, I thought it was going to be some sort of lever thingy that I could operate from the seat of the tractor, but no, just a set of "Limit Chains" that you have to pin to the brackets. It works, but as I said, kind of a mickey mouse deal, especially since here in Canada the kit cost me about $180.

I have a 2520 and ordered this kit with the tractor because I also wanted to be able to use the FEL while the deck was on, and didn't want to have to change lines from the FEL/Mower deck to the SCV ports, which you have to do if you have the independent lift kit, without the diverter vavle.

If you want to go with the independent lift kit and still use the FEL at the same time as the mower deck, you need to install the hydraulic diverter valve, which gives you 2 additional hydraulic connectors, and a push/pull control valve which is mounted on the lower right side of the operator station. This lets you keep all 6 lines connected at the same time.

By using the regular 3pth to lift the deck, you don't need the independent lift kit or the diverter valve so you can leave the 4 FEL lines hooked up all the time. Heck of a lot cheaper, especially when I read that the independent lift cylinder has a tendancy to leak down on it's own. Sure glad I went the way I did, would have cost me at least another $1200 to go with the Independent lift and diverter valve. I would have been some PO'd if after spending all that loot the thing still leaked down on it's own. Hey $180 sounds pretty cheap now that I think about it.

REV

 

[JD755]

Still hard to understand why Deere got away from the simple knob adjustable mechanical stop. No leakdown, no link chains, no diverter valves, most convenient, and probably lowest cost.

 

[wooden]

There is an optional "Deck Lock up Kit" available from JD for the 2520/2720 which allows you to mechanically lock the deck up, and still use the 3pth independently. It consists of 2 brackets that are mounted at the rear of the tractor near the 3pth arms, and 2 chains with turnbuckles, that fasten to the brackets and the deck lifting bracket, so you can adjust them. This set up will hold the deck up mechanically and still let you use the 3pth arms independently. I have a 54" blade for the snow, and I wanted to be able to hold up the deck arms independently, because I will also be using a ballast box in the winter for additional traction, and don't want to have to keep the box at the highest position when plowing snow.

Sort of a mickey mouse system, I thought it was going to be some sort of lever thingy that I could operate from the seat of the tractor, but no, just a set of "Limit Chains" that you have to pin to the brackets. It works, but as I said, kind of a mickey mouse deal, especially since here in Canada the kit cost me about $180.



I have a 2520 and ordered this kit with the tractor because I also wanted to be able to use the FEL while the deck was on, and didn't want to have to change lines from the FEL/Mower deck to the SCV ports, which you have to do if you have the independent lift kit, without the diverter vavle.

If you want to go with the independent lift kit and still use the FEL at the same time as the mower deck, you need to install the hydraulic diverter valve, which gives you 2 additional hydraulic connectors, and a push/pull control valve which is mounted on the lower right side of the operator station. This lets you keep all 6 lines connected at the same time.

By using the regular 3pth to lift the deck, you don't need the independent lift kit or the diverter valve so you can leave the 4 FEL lines hooked up all the time. Heck of a lot cheaper, especially when I read that the independent lift cylinder has a tendancy to leak down on it's own. Sure glad I went the way I did, would have cost me at least another $1200 to go with the Independent lift and diverter valve. I would have been some PO'd if after spending all that loot the thing still leaked down on it's own. Hey $180 sounds pretty cheap now that I think about it.

REV

I am thinking I made the mistake of getting the independent lift, based on what I read here it seems the 3point hitch lifting system saves a lot of time. I was also told with the hydraulic lifting system you loose one funtion on the FEL which I am sure suck. My 2720 should be here in 2 weeks I think, so I will deal with all that then

Wooden