Need some LS specs

[Cromagnum]

I am still in the window shopping and comparison mode, and have been looking at LS from a distance (nearest LS dealer is in Mineral VA with no website)
I have a small piece of property, less than 5 acres, so I am looking at the CUTs 28-42 hp with FEL, and prefer Hydrostatic. I would be movin trees, mowing the field, grading the driveway, and pushing snow.

So I have been reading reviews and specs online, and comparing to Kubota, MF, Bobcat, Yanmar, and Deere. In comparing the various manufacturers websites, some list specs that others don't, maybe that's marketing, or maybe that's an oversight. But I want to make sure that I understand what should be compared.

In reading the forums here, I understand that having rear remotes is a useful feature for a tractor, and, so now I have added that to my comparison spreadsheet. And I'm glad that LS has it on some models. And I also took a closer look at warranty on the other colors as well.

What i would like to see that LS doesn't post in the specs (or if they do, I missed it):
1) how much does the stock Loader/Bucket weigh itself?
2) What is the maximum ground speed?
3) Is the Rear 3 Point rated at Pins, or at 24" behind Pins "Hitch Lift capacity, lb"
4) What is the overall length with FEL, 'bucket on the ground'
5) About how many inches in length / width / height do the Indust R4 or the Turf Tires add or subtract vs the Ag tires

for #1, I want to calculate what kind of price per lb the complete unit costs. It's just another way of cost estimating or comparison, but I am fully cognizant that price also needs to be balanced against the features and intangibles in the total comparison. In the website(s) MSRP across the various colors or brands, I see between $4.62 per lb, up to $8.85 per lb. Actual negotiated price come later.

I know that none of the mfg websites have a dimension for #4 & #5, but that would be helpful for storage (is my 'tractor house' big enough)or trailering (is this trailer long enough). It wouldn't have to be exact, plus or minus an inch is fine for me. (I'm looking to build a shed "tbd tractor house", but that's a different topic)

If anyone has answers to the above, my current comparison spreadsheet has the following LS models:
J2030
G3033H
G3038H
R3039H
R4041H
R4047H .. *yeah its more horses, but almost same # & $ as the 41H

 

[bruceatlam]

I can help you a tiny bit --- I have a 3039H with the loader. The loader manual says that the boom assembly weighs 748 lbs and that the mounting frame weighs 308 lbs. Presumably, the boom assembly includes the weight of the bucket. The loader model is LL3103.

Total length with the bucket flat on the ground to the tip of a horizontal tph is right at 14 ft.

My max ground speed is listed at 14 mph --- actually 13.98 mph.

My rear width with R4's is 66 inches. Same as the bucket by the way ----------

 

[DwightD123]

Price per Pound? Are you sure you are not looking for the BBQ Forums?

 

[Cromagnum]

Price per Pound? Are you sure you are not looking for the BBQ Forums?

LOL ... Though a good steak sizzling would be nice :thumbsup:

Its just another method of cost estimating when you don't have final numbers, or you want to compare similar items. It's useful but not incredibly accurate.

Thanks bruceatlam, that does help to get your tractor stats & dimensions there for the 3039. :drink:

 

[jobguy]

What is the LS warranty? I could not find that info on the site?

 

[ozley]

What is the LS warranty? I could not find that info on the site?

http://www.lstractorusa.com/
Right at the top of the page
Also
http://www.lstractorusa.com/about-us/5-year-warranty.html

 

[bruceatlam]

What is the LS warranty? I could not find that info on the site?

5 years --------

 

[spectre533]

I purchased a new LS 5020c in Dec 2011. As of today it has a total of 68 hrs on it and is presently sitting at the dealership in Tyler, Tx awaiting repair. The PTO did not work from the first day and has been worked off and on every since then. They have replaced every part, wire, switch,relay and anything associated with the PTO and it still does the same thing. When you engage the PTO in manual or auto the yellow PTO engaged light on the dash comes on and then goes off after 3 seconds and the transmission pressure light comes on, but the pressure is ok. The field rep from the factory in NC has even came down and worked on it. Every once in a while the pto will engage and run until turned off and then will not engage again when turned on. Practically all 68 hrs on the tractor have been trouble shooting the problem or hooking up and unhooking a mower to it for testing or loading and unloading the tractor for transport to the repair shop. The dealer or factory does not have a clue! Leading Solution refuses to return my money and take the tractor back and says they will eventually fix it per the warranty. I paid $26,000.00 cash 6 months ago and have not been able to use the tractor except for some small work with the FEL. I do not recommend LS tractor especially a U5020

 

[LittleBlueTractor]

I purchased a new LS 5020c in Dec 2011. As of today it has a total of 68 hrs on it and is presently sitting at the dealership in Tyler, Tx awaiting repair. The PTO did not work from the first day and has been worked off and on every since then. They have replaced every part, wire, switch,relay and anything associated with the PTO and it still does the same thing. When you engage the PTO in manual or auto the yellow PTO engaged light on the dash comes on and then goes off after 3 seconds and the transmission pressure light comes on, but the pressure is ok. The field rep from the factory in NC has even came down and worked on it. Every once in a while the pto will engage and run until turned off and then will not engage again when turned on. Practically all 68 hrs on the tractor have been trouble shooting the problem or hooking up and unhooking a mower to it for testing or loading and unloading the tractor for transport to the repair shop. The dealer or factory does not have a clue! Leading Solution refuses to return my money and take the tractor back and says they will eventually fix it per the warranty. I paid $26,000.00 cash 6 months ago and have not been able to use the tractor except for some small work with the FEL. I do not recommend LS tractor especially a U5020

Sorry to hear it, but definitely don't blame you for not recommending LS -- they should have at least offered to swap your defective U5020 for a new one by now, offered you a loaner, etc.... 6 months is way too long for this kind of thing. Come on LS: stand behind the brand and do the right thing here.

 

[bruceatlam]

I purchased a new LS 5020c in Dec 2011. As of today it has a total of 68 hrs on it and is presently sitting at the dealership in Tyler, Tx awaiting repair. The PTO did not work from the first day and has been worked off and on every since then. They have replaced every part, wire, switch,relay and anything associated with the PTO and it still does the same thing. When you engage the PTO in manual or auto the yellow PTO engaged light on the dash comes on and then goes off after 3 seconds and the transmission pressure light comes on, but the pressure is ok. The field rep from the factory in NC has even came down and worked on it. Every once in a while the pto will engage and run until turned off and then will not engage again when turned on. Practically all 68 hrs on the tractor have been trouble shooting the problem or hooking up and unhooking a mower to it for testing or loading and unloading the tractor for transport to the repair shop. The dealer or factory does not have a clue! Leading Solution refuses to return my money and take the tractor back and says they will eventually fix it per the warranty. I paid $26,000.00 cash 6 months ago and have not been able to use the tractor except for some small work with the FEL. I do not recommend LS tractor especially a U5020

Your April 20th post said it was fixed and then no more posts/info in that thread --- what happened??

 

[spectre533]

At that time it appeared fixed and worked for 3 hrs before repeating problem 3 weeks ago. What they thought was problem and fix (bad relay) turned out was not the problem and since then have part by part r&red everything that supposedly has anything to do with the PTO and still no fix. I'm thinking there is a wire or wiring harness somewhere they are overlooking because of a lack of system knowledge.

 

[KILWERBZZ]

I purchased a new LS 5020c in Dec 2011. As of today it has a total of 68 hrs on it and is presently sitting at the dealership in Tyler, Tx awaiting repair. The PTO did not work from the first day and has been worked off and on every since then. They have replaced every part, wire, switch,relay and anything associated with the PTO and it still does the same thing. When you engage the PTO in manual or auto the yellow PTO engaged light on the dash comes on and then goes off after 3 seconds and the transmission pressure light comes on, but the pressure is ok. The field rep from the factory in NC has even came down and worked on it. Every once in a while the pto will engage and run until turned off and then will not engage again when turned on. Practically all 68 hrs on the tractor have been trouble shooting the problem or hooking up and unhooking a mower to it for testing or loading and unloading the tractor for transport to the repair shop. The dealer or factory does not have a clue! Leading Solution refuses to return my money and take the tractor back and says they will eventually fix it per the warranty. I paid $26,000.00 cash 6 months ago and have not been able to use the tractor except for some small work with the FEL. I do not recommend LS tractor especially a U5020

All I can say!
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https://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/

Lawyer

BBB

 

[BigBoyinMS]

To be accurate... is LS the company the problem or is it the LS dealer? It's usually the dealer that balks at doing the right thing.

The wife and I took a ride over to the local LS dealer Sunday again just so I could sit on and look over a 4047 with no one hovering over me. I like it. Other than needing to add 4" spacers under the seat it fits me well. Not much that I can find to dislike including the price. Best of my memory the 4047 is physically a little bigger than the 4041.

Back to the PTO issue... I have a Montana tractor which is a rebadged LS and I've been studying the PTO system trying to figure how it works so I can adjust how hard it engages. The 5020 should work the same as the Montana does. There is a clutch switch, a dash switch, wiring that goes to a solenoid on a hydraulic valve assembly that engages the PTO. Pretty simple. They say they have replaced every part but I would question that. I would bet they are not wanting to try a $400 solenoid. And do they have it adjusted correctly? It does sound like an electrical issue but then again maybe something floating around in that valve. Just some thoughts off the top of my head.

 

[Guesseral]

Have you tried to contact LS direct? Go to there web site to contact us and email them, tell them the exact problem tell them you want the tractor replaced, or a loner while layed up it's been way to long and maybe just maybe a nudge in the right spot just might get there attention. You never know trying is free!

 

[spectre533]

Have you tried to contact LS direct? Go to there web site to contact us and email them, tell them the exact problem tell them you want the tractor replaced, or a loner while layed up it's been way to long and maybe just maybe a nudge in the right spot just might get there attention. You never know trying is free!

Did that back in May and even sent LS a certified letter asking for a refund or replacement. No answer as of yet, only that they would fix the tractor per the warranty. Going by the dealer today to see what is up. They have had a week to try the last fix, which is to replace the entire wiring harness.

 

[boomer632]

The wife and I took a ride over to the local LS dealer Sunday again just so I could sit on and look over a 4047 with no one hovering over me. I like it. Other than needing to add 4" spacers under the seat it fits me well. Not much that I can find to dislike including the price. Best of my memory the 4047 is physically a little bigger than the 4041.

Actually, the 4041 and 4047 are built on the same platform. They are exactly the same tractor with 2 exceptions.
1) the 4047 comes with bigger tires
2) The 4047 and 4041 share the same motor but the 4047 has injectors turned up to increase HP to 47.

 

[spectre533]

I am amazed. I went by the dealer today to check on the progress of a fix on theU5020c. They told me the factory thought they had found the problem and had overnight shipped parts for a fix. I called LS USA and the tech rep said that while being built some hydraulic tubing was not properly cleaned and had some filings inside of it and these filings were causing a valve in the hydraulic valve assembly to stick and preventing the PTO from engaging. He said the fix was to install a new hydraulic valve assembly with a in-line filter strainer on the inlet line to keep the filings from hanging up the valve assembly. I asked him what about the bad tubing and the filings that were supposedly flaking off to which he replied the filter strainer would catch them. I then asked him how often the filter needed to be changed or cleaned and he said never. I am now waiting for the dealer to finish this last stab in the dark fix. I do believe the problem lies in the hydraulic valve assembly, but what is causing it is not filings and the fix is only a band-aid.