Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most

   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most
  • Thread Starter
#61  
Freds, I've come a ways since I started this thread back in Sept. I've installed 5 - 55 watt lamps on my CUT I have two Trapezoidal beam lights on the front of my canopy and two more on the back I was concerned about the draw from the lights so I installed a three point switch forward for the front lights back to run the rears, all four lights could not run at the same time (boy am I smart). This is when I realize that when doing FEL work at night I would need to back up (not so smart afterall) so instead of rerunning wires I installed a fifth light, spot type, between the other two on it's own switch. I've since used the tractor several times this winter moving snow and am very happy with the setup. Hope this helps
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #62  
Uh, thanks for the offer on the fog lights, Bob. I think /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Casco, what are trapezoidal lights? Do they fall into a category such as flood or spot?
I take it that you mostly run the 2-forward and 1-rear light... Are the factory lights or flashers on at the same time?

I know I went through a bunch of light posts here and one poster had a pair of lights for something like $175 that he mounted. This isn't exactly the direction I wanted to go /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I found a lot of off road lights on Ebay for around $50 for 4-55w lights and wiring harness. I can't remember what pattern of beam they had, only that it wasn't a geometric figure... I figured I could at least use the wire that comes with them, but not the switch. I was going to try to head into town tomorow and see what the local chain autoparts store has to offer for comparison. I have a piece of aluminum angle iron being delivered tomorrow that I'll cut down for the bracket.

It's all coming together /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #63  
I am by no means an expert at electrical work. I do know that my alternator is 40 amp on my L3130. And that I do have two 55W lights from Tractor Supply. I used 12 gauge wire for my lights if that means anything.
The Grand L series Cab models have a 60 amp alternator. They come standard with 2 front work lights and optional 2 rear work lights. If you trace the wires on my L3130 from the fuse box to the green plug at the right side of the seat below the PTO lever, it has a 7.5 amp fuse in the work light section. Work light is printed on the fuse box cover where the fuse is located.
Now, I may should have only wired one rear work light, as I am no expert on this...wish I were. All I know is that it has worked so far with no problems at all. Maybe I should call Kubota on this and ask them??
Does anyone with electrical experience have any advice here?

Thanks,
Curt
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #64  
If it's working, I wouldn't worry too much about it. If it blows the fuse, I would just change your fuse to a 15A and be done with it. 12 ga wire will handle it no problem.

As pointed out by Soundguy above, you may be getting away with this because of a slow blow fuse or a slightly higher than 12V from your alternator, but in either case you are at the very top end or over your fuse rating so it will probably blow sooner or later.

On my unit I was running 3 55 w off from one 15A fuse and it finally blew as well as slightly melted the inline fuse holder. I have since removed one light from the circuit.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #65  
I like the trapezoidal pattern ( even if it is a round lamp shell.. etc.. ).

Wide beam.. decent light...

Soundguy
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most
  • Thread Starter
#66  
I bought my lights from Northern Tool about $20 each. They're not high end lamps but they're more than satisfactory for me, I get good distance and overlap. I'll try to explain trapezoidal beams if I can spotlights are just what the name says a direct and narrow beam with good distance, floodlights send out a wide beam but not for a great distance. Trapezoidal again, like the name says sends out a wide triangular shaped beam without sacrificing distance, with two of these you have an excellent overlap mine are actually angled out a bit to give a wider beam. I've had no problems with power I have an L3710 with the 40 amp alt. I have been running with my headlights and flashers no problems.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #67  
Thanks, I'll check them out.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #68  
If you have a TSC nearby, you might want to check there for lights. I put two trapezoidal facing forward (55w) and two floods facing rear (55w). I paid about $15 per light. As far as switches, etc. go2marine has the best selection.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #69  
I hunted down 4 lights at two Autozones. Apparently they only stock two at a time called tractor lights, which are the ones with the trapezoid beam pattern. Picked up some wire and plastic flex conduit. Looked at some switches at the local Carquest and found the same thing cheaper at the local hardware store. It's a toggle switch with a rubber boot labeled "marine" and I was told that all the grapepickers without cabs use that kind. Picked up two bolts for the ROPS too, to mount my angle with and 4 rubber grommets to use as isolaters for the lights. I may get to messing around with it today... in amongst disassembling one wall of kennel runs for my remodeling project, cutting 2x4s and drywall, picking up a new printer because my color one won't feed anymore and I need to print some stuff in color.... just the usual stuff when you finally have a nice day and want to work on an outside project (the lights -- no garage). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Question: Do you do all the wiring and then slip the conduit over it and what do you do where the wire exits the conduit? Do you cut the conduit, start a new piece, push them close together and wrap the joint with tape? It seems like just letting the wire come out the conduit seam would cut into it a bit...
Also, if I mount the switches in the plastic dash do the need grounded? How would I do this with just the two wire terminals? Thanks and don't worry. Pics to follow when I get it done and operational. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #70  
A lot depends on the access. If I'm running wire in a hard-to-reach spot, I'll put it in the conduit and fish the conduit through. If you can find them, they do make a connector for the wire conduit. I found mine in a local auto parts store. As far as the ends where the wire exits, I usually put a wire tie at the end to keep the wires in - not too tight as to collapse the conduit, but snug. Unless the switch is lighted - doesn't sound like yours is since it is only two terminals) it shouldn't need a ground.

Hope to finish my "new" light bar project up this weekend - calling for cool temps and rain/sleet. Fortunately I have the heated garage to work in. I'll post some pics when done.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #71  
Thanks Red, I was really at a loss on whether I had to ground the switches or not.

We had a day in the fifties earlier this week and I got the light bar and lights on. I got a good jump on the wiring, also. The flex conduit is a lot flimsier than I expected so I let the wires come out a seam and wrappped the heck out of it with tape. It appears this is how the factory did it. I soldered the connections so I didn't have bulky connectors to try to fit into the 1/4" flex conduit. The 2-12 ga wires took up enough room on their own.
It looks like I'll be hooking up to the battery /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif . I had really wanted to utilize the fuse box, but can't locate the female terminal for the other side of the mini fuse holder and the hot wire, not even at my dealer. Seems kind of dumb that they would have a spare slot with one terminal in place, but spare terminals are not a readily available item. Might be nice to be able to flip the lights on without having to have the key on anyway.

Of course, it's winter again so I'm on hold for a while..., but the good thing is that I got to do some snow plowing again yesterday /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif and it looks like I have lights that work /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #72  
Freds, depending on its location, it might be easier for you to run your power wire to the alternator stub instead of to the battery. A lot of tractors have the battery all the way up front and the alternater is often easier to get to without running wire past any spinnng fans or moving belts. Just a suggestion you might want to consider.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #73  
On the subject of switches for aux lights:

Rather than find and buy waterproof switches, and a good place to mount them, and then drill holes in a perfectly good tractor (not that I'm really against doing so...), I used the factory light switches. It's already in a good location, it's waterproof, and now I have a single switch that turns on the factory headlights as well as the two aux lights on the ROPS. While I was at it, I wired the factory hazard switch to turn on the strobe light on the ROPS.

I tapped into the factory switch and installed a relay to do the actual switching, so I'm not loading the factory switches any more than they already were. The load wire to the relays comes from the battery (which on the BX is within inches of the factory switches under the "dash"), through a fuse, and to the relay. I then ran new wires under the tractor in wiring loom, up the ROPS and to the lights. The lights (one forward, one back, and a strobe) are installed on a piece of angle iron that is attached to the top of the ROPS with two hose clamps.

I used a 4-wire trailer wiring harness for the wire from the relays to the lights. The plug is positioned on top of the ROPS. This allows me to easily unplug the whole light bar assembly, should the need/desire arise. Since trailer wiring harnesses have 3 "hot" wires in them, I used one wire for each of the two lights (attached to the same relay), and the other wire for the strobe. The ground wire is attached to the tractor frame at the bottom of the ROPS. The ground wire is carrying the full amperage of the other three wires combined, but it's not as long, so that shouldn't be as big of a problem.

The only potential downside to using the factory light switches is you must have all or none in terms of which lights are turned on. As was mentioned somewhere on this thread, I've found that for many uses, you really need both forward and reverse lights on at the same time.

An advantage is that (at least on the BX), the headlights go off when the key is off, so you can't leave them on by mistake. Though I must admit there are times when I'd like to be able to have the work lights on when the tractor is off. I've thought of adding a parallel switch for that, but haven't done so - and I'm not sure I will.

Another tip related to wiring: Try to run wires so that there are no connections of any kind under the tractor, in wheelwells, or anywhere were the connections can get and stay wet or caked in ice. In other words, when running wire under the tractor, use a single piece of uncut wire and terminate both ends somewhere that's relatively dry.

I've been using the setup above for two winters plowing snow, done my share of lawnmowing at night, and have yet to find a reason to modify it - and it's worked flawlessly.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #74  
Thanks Bob, the thought never crossed my mind. I was going to run them alongside the existing harness and there's even some "ties" in place for some option I suppose... I'll have to give the alternator a looksee. I can't even picture where it is right now. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #75  
What is the difference between the FR-10, Fr-11 and FR-12, and do you recommend a fuse or a breaker?
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #76  
Congrats you've now found someone dummer. What type of fuses plug into the ET 220 fuse block from sherco?
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #77  
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[*]FR-10 is rated at 30 amps w/12 vdc coil and is a SPST normally open set of contacts
[*]FR-11 is rated at 30 amps w/12 vdc coil and is a SPDT contacts
[*]FR-12 is rated at 30 amps w/12 vdc coil and looks like it switches 2 independent circuits both normally open contacts.
[/list]

I prefer fuses over breakers that automatically reset themselves.
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #78  
I have a grand L 3430 and I plan to mount 2 55w lights on my rops. Some folk have talked about using a relay and switch but I was wondering why do that instead of using the connector on the right side of the seat and maybe put a switch in the wire from the connector to the light(isn't the plug by the seat already "relayed" and fused?
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #79  
If it's the factory wiring that your talking about, I would think that it is. Gerard
 
   / Need Help, Lights, I must be dummer than most #80  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was wondering why do that instead of using the connector on the right side of the seat )</font>

As mentioned earlier, the plug by the seat of my L3130 is only 7.5 amps. Not sure about your 3430, but my plug was only designed to run one 55w light. It seems they put a 20 amp in the BXs... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 

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