My Friend, Arrabil

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RoyJackson

RoyJackson

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Arribil stopped by today to help me reverse the rear tires on my 4400. Well, he did most of the work, I operated the floor jack.
I'd like to thank Arrabil for his work...and his knowledge.

Good man, My friend!!! And thanks again!
 
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Nice to have those good friends,they sure do add to our lives don,t they?:thumbsup:Dave
 
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Roy, you are very welcome!

I got to drive a Sync Reverser for the first time too. Just like a stick shift.
 
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arrabil said:
Roy, you are very welcome!

I got to drive a Sync Reverser for the first time too. Just like a stick shift.
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You did a fine job at it too!

Well, I'll pick up that wheel bolt and borrow a tap to chase the thread (for all you other TBNers, looks like when the tires were replaced one wheel bolt had been slightly buggered). Then loosen and properly retorque the bolts.

You know, Arribil...I should have had my "bull" hat on...most these guys don't believe it's real!
 
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Part of tractoring..friendship,just can't beat it. :)
 
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When I put wheel spacers on my 110; I told my buddy I was gonna watch a playoff game on the dish... he came right over! :D (Those tires and wheels are HEAVY!!)

'Course we got to watch most of the game! Things go a whole lot faster with another set of hands and a stronger back! :thumbsup:

Nothin' like good friends, cold beer and sandwiches and tractor projects!

AKfish
 
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Always good to hear stories like this! Thanks for sharing Roy. I met a fellow TBNer (6dogs) also a few weeks ago to look at a used tractor he was interested in-he ended up buying it for a song and I have a new friend also.
 
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It really is nice to see virtual friendships turn into real ones:thumbsup:

Greg
 
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Roy, it just occurred to me... we should have but that bolt in from the other side. Probably would have straightened the threads out. Doesn't matter now that you got it fixed but maybe one of us will remember if there is a next time.
 
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arrabil said:
Roy, it just occurred to me... we should have but that bolt in from the other side. Probably would have straightened the threads out. Doesn't matter now that you got it fixed but maybe one of us will remember if there is a next time.
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Tried that...sent you a PM on that (and some other stuff).

So everyone else isn't curious...
The first few threads were buggered up (probably from airgunning the wheel bolts) and we couldn't get one bolt in.
I bought a couple rear wheel bolts and borrowed a 14mm x 1.5 pitch tap from work. I chased the threads, but the first few were a write off. No good way to repair that kind of thing (other then drilling it out and installing a helicoil or other type insert).

When a hole is threaded, the machinist drills with the appropriately sized drill, then chamfers the hole. Then chamfer provides an easy entry for both the tap and, ultimately, the bolt or screw.
The exit side of a tapped through hole isn't chamfered so the lead in for the first thread isn't there. The last thread may not be perfect form, so a bolt may not enter easily, or at all (which is what I found when I tried).

I'm just glad not all the threads were buggered up. Airgunning is a great way to remove bolts, not so hot for installing them (it's ok to run the bolts in, but not tight...use a torque wrench for that). This is especially applicable for aluminum wheels, btw.
 
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RoyJackson said:
Arribil stopped by today to help me reverse the rear tires on my 4400. Well, he did most of the work, I operated the floor jack.
I'd like to thank Arrabil for his work...and his knowledge.

Good man, My friend!!! And thanks again!
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Roy,
Please help me here...
why do you reverse the tires?

J
 
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RadarTech said:
Roy,
Please help me here...
why do you reverse the tires?

J
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If the offset from the hub to the rim of the wheel is greater on the inside then the outer side, reversing can (and did, in my case) give you a wider stance, hence more stability.
In my case, Arrabil and I did it to increase the tire to fender clearance so I can install tire chains. Initially, I had about an inch clearance (not enough for chains). Now, it's about 4", which is plenty.

If your interested in doing this, measure the offset before you dismount the wheels. If it does turn out reversing is to your advantage and those tires are filled, make sure you're prepared for the weight (you bet they're heavy!!! Just ask Arrabil!). Also, reversing works if your tires are bi-directional. Turf tires (which I have) usually are. Ag (R-1's) and Industrials (R-4's) are usually unidirectional (traction when mounted in one direction only). Unidirectional tires will frequently have an arrow on the sidewall, so look for it. If your tires are unidirectional, you swap them side to side (left wheel goes on right hub, right wheel on left hub).
Again, make sure you are ready for the weight...have a buddy with you and cold beer ready for when the task is complete!
 
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The exit side of a tapped through hole isn't chamfered so the lead in for the first thread isn't there.
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Thats true, I didn't think about that.

Again, make sure you are ready for the weight
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I'm glad we didn't drop one of your tires. I don't know that we could have lifted it. Just shifting it in place to lineup the bolt holes took nearly everything I had.
 
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Curious to know how much a rear tire weighs.??
 
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JDGreenGrass said:
Curious to know how much a rear tire weighs.??
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Depends on the size of tire and if it is filled with fluid or not.


18.4 x 38 band mount dul is to heavy for one person to lift.

15.5 x 38 band mount dual I lifted by myself when young and dumb.

The rear tires on my BX I can lift easily even in my advanced age and weakening state.

Roy
 
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Curious to know how much a rear tire weighs.??
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According to RimGuard they weigh about 350 pounds. I think they are closer to 400 with the rim and a brand new tire.
 
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I wonder how much a worn down tire is vs a new tire?
is it so slight that it does not matter?

J
 
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The lugs are about an inch high. There are a couple hundred lugs I'd guess. 10lbs maybe?
 
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arrabil said:
The lugs are about an inch high. There are a couple hundred lugs I'd guess. 10lbs maybe?
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that means the weight is negligible for counter wieght then.. or is it?

J
 
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