Model Advice

[clemsonfor]

I think the 2210 fits perfect then. But you can almost always bush hog something? I mean I don't ever need on at my one acre property I live on but at my rural 130 acre property I use one all the time. Probably 110 acres are wooded sobi don't use a bush hog there. The few acres of yard field edge and fields I bush hog regular. I do get your point though. To show how productive you are with these tractors and a bush hog I can mow around an acre an hour with the bush hog. How tall or short thick effects this time and productivity.

 

[nova3930]

And mowing uphill, like this photo?

Nova here's an old thread (with photos) comparing mowing with Yanmar 18 hp that has Powershift, vs 24 hp MT. Same 4 ft rotary mower with both.

That works. I'm really thinking, pending a test drive and lookover, that the 2210 is the leader, probably with 4wd just on case. Most of the pictures I see I could probably make parts and mods between my Mills and lathe they're so simple.

 

[CoyPatton]

As I stated before, I have a YM2002D and run a 54” tiller. I can pulverize ground by making multiple passes and changing directions usually going 90 degrees. With the 22hp at the PTO you can easily handle that or a slightly larger tiller.
A cultivator in loose soul should be no issue either.
I agree that ZTR is the thing for a regularly maintained lawn, and having mowed with both in a maintained lawn, the only way a finish mower will out mow a properly setup ZTR is in stuff that has bern allowed to go wild and needs to be bush hogged prior to mowed. Yes the tractor may travel faster, but in turning around and maneuvering around things, the ZTR will more than make up the difference in speed.
Yanmars unfortunately just do not have the guts yo do the hard ground engaging of implements like bottom plows. The only implement I regularly overload my tractor with is my middle buster/subsoiler plow. I bought it for 2 purposes 1) to dig trenches and 2) to improve drainage in spots that stand in water. It is the implement for both as I have both types of blades, but this implement will bog down the tractor faster than the 5’ brush cutter in heavy material.
A 2wd YM2210 will in my opinion make a great garden tractor on a large scale tractor.
My experience is the 2wd models pull much better than trying to run a 4wd model in 2 wd mode. If a bottom plow is not a need (and it is not for gardening purposes in my experience) then you will be well pleased with a Yanmar tractor.

 

[kenmac]

I would have liked to have been able to given you a deal on the 3110D I sold a few months ago for $7500.00. Loader, factory PS, bucket grapple, almost new tires. I guess I really gave it away

 

[clemsonfor]

I would have liked to have been able to given you a deal on the 3110D I sold a few months ago for $7500.00. Loader, factory PS, bucket grapple, almost new tires. I guess I really gave it away

Yep that was a steal!!

 

[California]

My experience is the 2wd models pull much better than trying to run a 4wd model in 2 wd mode.

Aside from the obvious, keeping moving in mud, an advantage I've noticed for 4wd is its easier to bring the nose around in a tight turn on rough ground. With a lot of weight on the 3point the YM240 (2wd) needs use of the steering brakes to turn as tight as it would with 4wd. This may not matter if operation is on mostly open ground. But its noticeable in my orchard where I'm forever dodging obstacles, and also where I have limited space to turn around at the end of rows. For that 2210, 4wd might not be very important depending on the application.

 

[nova3930]

I think the 2210 fits perfect then. But you can almost always bush hog something? I mean I don't ever need on at my one acre property I live on but at my rural 130 acre property I use one all the time. Probably 110 acres are wooded sobi don't use a bush hog there. The few acres of yard field edge and fields I bush hog regular. I do get your point though. To show how productive you are with these tractors and a bush hog I can mow around an acre an hour with the bush hog. How tall or short thick effects this time and productivity.

I got you. I hope to get more property at some point but I want something more wooded for rec purposes. Something I can cut ATV trails and hunt/fish on. I don't like cutting grass if I can avoid it so I don't intend to add any more lol

 

[nova3930]

I would have liked to have been able to given you a deal on the 3110D I sold a few months ago for $7500.00. Loader, factory PS, bucket grapple, almost new tires. I guess I really gave it away

I wish I'd needed a tractor back then too sounds like

I agree that ZTR is the thing for a regularly maintained lawn, and having mowed with both in a maintained lawn, the only way a finish mower will out mow a properly setup ZTR is in stuff that has bern allowed to go wild and needs to be bush hogged prior to mowed. Yes the tractor may travel faster, but in turning around and maneuvering around things, the ZTR will more than make up the difference in speed.

That's my experience. I lost a lot of engaged cutting time with the tractor maneuvering. The Gravely I fly down a side, stop on a dime, turn 90 and fly down the next side. the 31HP kawasaki will drink some gasoline but lately I've got more $ than time.

Aside from the obvious, keeping moving in mud, an advantage I've noticed for 4wd is its easier to bring the nose around in a tight turn on rough ground. With a lot of weight on the 3point the YM240 (2wd) needs use of the steering brakes to turn as tight as it would with 4wd. This may not matter if operation is on mostly open ground. But its noticeable in my orchard where I'm forever dodging obstacles, and also where I have limited space to turn around at the end of rows. For that 2210, 4wd might not be very important depending on the application.

I keep flip flopping on whether it would be more beneficial to get the 4wd or spend the $ on more HP/size. The same $1300 would either add 4WD to the 2110 or step up to a 2420....

Course the other aspect is you go up too much and price and it might make more sense to go whole hog and buy a new tractor, even if I had to finance.

 

[kenmac]

Just my personal opinion. I wouldn't own anything that wasn't 4wd. We all know what they say about opinions though.

 

[clemsonfor]

I wish I'd needed a tractor back then too sounds like



That's my experience. I lost a lot of engaged cutting time with the tractor maneuvering. The Gravely I fly down a side, stop on a dime, turn 90 and fly down the next side. the 31HP kawasaki will drink some gasoline but lately I've got more $ than time.



I keep flip flopping on whether it would be more beneficial to get the 4wd or spend the $ on more HP/size. The same $1300 would either add 4WD to the 2110 or step up to a 2420....

Course the other aspect is you go up too much and price and it might make more sense to go whole hog and buy a new tractor, even if I had to finance.

If your set on spending that money to upgrade...which for your stated purposes I don't think is necessary, but if I were to choose one of those upgrades I would to 4wd over just an added 3hp and 2wd. BUT that would depend on the weight increase from the two, but I don't think it's that much that you could not ballast up to and still have 4wd

 

[nova3930]

If your set on spending that money to upgrade...which for your stated purposes I don't think is necessary, but if I were to choose one of those upgrades I would to 4wd over just an added 3hp and 2wd. BUT that would depend on the weight increase from the two, but I don't think it's that much that you could not ballast up to and still have 4wd

Honestly the 2WD 2110 is still top of the list. I don't know that either upgrade gives me any additional capability I have a need for. My ground is flat and dry and I've tossed the plowing idea, so I don't think extra power, weight or traction does much for me. Running a tiller on open ground isn't the heaviest work there is.

ETA

Talking with a couple friends, several mentioned resale value of a 4wd vs a 2wd. My though was, it's a $5k tractor, regardless of drivetrain how much depreciation can you get from there if it's well maintained? I don't think much. A good ag tractor has a certain price floor if maintained in good working order.

Secondarily, Fredericks must get the things for nothing if they sell them for $5k and change after international transport and all the refurb work.

 

[clemsonfor]

Honestly the 2WD 2110 is still top of the list. I don't know that either upgrade gives me any additional capability I have a need for. My ground is flat and dry and I've tossed the plowing idea, so I don't think extra power, weight or traction does much for me. Running a tiller on open ground isn't the heaviest work there is.

ETA

Talking with a couple friends, several mentioned resale value of a 4wd vs a 2wd. My though was, it's a $5k tractor, regardless of drivetrain how much depreciation can you get from there if it's well maintained? I don't think much. A good ag tractor has a certain price floor if maintained in good working order.

Secondarily, Fredericks must get the things for nothing if they sell them for $5k and change after international transport and all the refurb work.

Most likely they don't have much in them yes, but you couldn't get one any cheaper cause of just what you said, and your not buying a container of them and whoever got you one would want to make money. But I see your just making a statement.


I wouldn't Todd the idea you can still use a single bottom plow with it. I still want to find a reasonable priced used on for my 2000 to play with as well. But from the description of your land a 2wd is all you need. I wouldn't so much worry about resale value, your target buyers are small for these as many people think you can't get parts or there a cheap tractor. Also think about your statement. If you paid $1300 today for the tractor it would only make sense it would be more valuable down the road. Do I think a final average sale value would be more than $1500 different between the same tractor in 2wd and 4wd... personally I don't.

Bottom line, your money get what you want. You don't have a bad option listed that your considering.

 

[nova3930]

This is tempting right now. A 2620 4wd with loader just popped up nearby for $8k.

 

[clemsonfor]

This is tempting right now. A 2620 4wd with loader just popped up nearby for $8k.

I'd look hard at that

 

[nova3930]

Most likely they don't have much in them yes, but you couldn't get one any cheaper cause of just what you said, and your not buying a container of them and whoever got you one would want to make money. But I see your just making a statement.

Yeah I'm just thinking about the business model of it, even when buying container loads. I assume they have a purchasing agent/s in Japan to find the things, all the admin costs for export/import, shipping and then you have to pay for all the refurb parts and labor, plus your general overhead. Just guessing at all that in my head the only way I can see to make it work is if you're getting the tractors for less than say $1000 or $1500. Mostly due to the labor costs inherent in the refurb.

 

[nova3930]

I'd look hard at that

yah, what caught my eye is that Fredricks has a 2620 2WD without loader listed for $7700.

 

[California]

... Fredericks must get the things for nothing if they sell them for $5k and change after international transport and all the refurb work.

That's pretty much the case. Japanese culture is unique. It's a national value to remain self sufficient in rice production. Tax law re depreciation subsidizes small farmers and the manufacturers of their equipment. After a tractor's tax depreciation in exhausted its economically rational for the farmer to replace it with new, with one consequence that old equipment is seldom in seen and probably is considered low-class, a symbol of embarrassing poverty, or something.

Buck, a dealer who posted here long ago, spoke of buying batches of low-hour Yanmars from salvage yards in Japan alongside buying agents from other countries, Iran etc who would just look down a row and declare as Buck said: "I'll take that row, let's get lunch". A 2210 would be years older than the recent models he saw, so of low price. I expect Fredricks' buyer sees similar.

That's not the same as the VN refurbs that arrive here after a first life in Japan then likely a second lifetime in VN, before a needed overhaul.

 

[CoyPatton]

You mention a tractor. I suggest you look hard and look quick. Yanmars in good shape at decent prices do not sit look. While they seem to not be very popular, there is enough recognization that they sell fairly quick.
The only concern I will express is the possible physical size as you mentioned wanting to pick up some wooded land. One of the reasons I have the YM2002D is its physical size as at that time I had lots if trees to move around on my property. Many times I had to do brake turns to get through in some areas.

 

[clemsonfor]

You mention a YM2620D near you with a loader for $8k near you. I suggest you look hard and look quick. Yanmars in good shape at decent prices do not sit look. While they seem to not be very popular, there is enough recognization that they sell fairly quick.
The only concern I will express about the 2610 is the possible physical size as you mentioned wanting to pick up some wooded land. One of the reasons I have the YM2002D is its physical size as at that time I had lots if trees to move around on my property. Many times I had to do brake turns to get through in some areas.

Also be careful posting a deal you want. Someone may see it, look your location up, but you have already given it away and come snipe your deal. It already happened to one guy this year. I'm not sure who's doing it, I promise you is none of us regulars posting here to your thread though.

I'd go look in the morning. I also if I was considering it seriously I would edit your post and remove anything other than maybe your looking at one. It's too easy to find stuff for sale with just minimal clues. We have seen it happen before.

 

[California]

Re sniping, yeah! My backhoe was simply 'backhoe', no pic, no price, no mention of 3-point, on CL for a week. I called, learned it was Kubota branded (popular) and discussed the price with the seller. Told him I would be up (50 miles) Monday with cash in $100 bills after I went to the bank.

He called me hours later. Said he had revised the ad to answer my questions and now he was flooded with replies. He said get up here early in the morning if you want it. I showed up with all the cash I could borrow from family and neighbors, about 2/3 of his price, and he said he would take my personal check for the rest. With his wife scowling at him (it had actually been her email listed where I first inquired so she saw everything). I'm sure she was harassing him 'You could have gotten more for that!!!' before and after my visit.

Likewise my Yanmars. The YM240 I called and he said he couldn't show it until after work. I asked if I could go over there alone, he said ok so I did then called saying I was interested. While I gave him a deposit that evening he got at least two phone inquiries. YM186D even stranger, just listed as 'tractor' with an ambiguous photo for $4500. I recognized it but didn't want to pay that much. A week later now $3500. I got over there immediately with a deposit and discovered it included a box blade and new loader forks, also the rare and valuable power steering. He said the price reduction started many calls, with me the first person to show up in person. The backhoe and the YM240 were just priced reasonably but this Yanmar should have gone for at least his $4500 to somebody if he had presented it in a better ad.

Lesson: jump instantly with a cash deposit if you like what you see. Or risk getting sniped.