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   / Market Watch #861  
Police, fire, sewer, water, trash removal, animal control, sidewalks, streetlights, traffic control
A pretty big list compared to my hood.
Don’t forget Midnight Basketball and building sports facilities for teams long gone or about to leave like the Warriors, Raiders and soon Athletics.
 
   / Market Watch #862  
Coming soon to A neighborhood near you. Might be surprised to learn where the busses are headed to from the “sanctuary cities”.
Does seem disingenuous to declare and legally defend sanctuary city status and then pitch a fit when those seeking sanctuary arrive.
 
   / Market Watch #863  
Look up how much farmers have received in subsidies. Its a lot. I looked up each farmer that had signed ump for wind turbines. Our county had 7 farmers that all had received more than a million. Several about 500k. One farmer who spoke at the commissioners meeting claimed he needed the wind farms b/c farming is a hard business. He was one that had over 1 million from the tax payer and he also walked to his cadillac claiming he needed more money. Sadly every industry is propped up by the tax payer. Yet we everyone things this is capitalist world. It is not
 
   / Market Watch #864  
And the there are small family farms with no subsidies with annual gross incomes from 40k to 400k with the emphasis on gross income.

Not even AG exemptions for some as the 40 to 80 acres farmed now zoned for housing...

Could be said the powers that be are doing the opposite of propping up as they would prefer new housing replace crop land.

I don't doubt big business which includes agribusiness isn't in the mix but disagree that all farmers are being propped up or on the dole.
 
   / Market Watch #865  
Look up how much farmers have received in subsidies. Its a lot. I looked up each farmer that had signed ump for wind turbines. Our county had 7 farmers that all had received more than a million. Several about 500k. One farmer who spoke at the commissioners meeting claimed he needed the wind farms b/c farming is a hard business. He was one that had over 1 million from the tax payer and he also walked to his cadillac claiming he needed more money. Sadly every industry is propped up by the tax payer. Yet we everyone things this is capitalist world. It is not
Any forest landowner who has ten plus acres can get tens of thousands of USDA dollars to thin their forest either by contract chainsaw or mastication treatment. A forester has to write a management plan and the purpose just has to be to improve timber production, wildlife habitat, or reduce hazardous fuels. Of course most landowners aren’t living below the poverty line.
 
   / Market Watch #866  
I have 9.89 of forest land with huge cedar and towering fir and much is critical habitat so logging is off limits.

I realize volumes of programs exist but actually benefitting is another thing.

Had a huge energy program to upgrade home HVAC and only certain models qualified... waited and paid the more expensive price, permitted and all submitted well within time and the PGE bankruptcy cancelled it all out.

We had a first time home buyer program that is quite intense... can't tell you how many I know that walked away in frustration because funding was exhausted in days for programs that were slated for a calendar year

A little off topic but managed a lot of low income Section 8 rentals at one time and families were placed in units with HUD mandated $50 to $150 security deposits with HUD providing up to 2 months rent amount over the tenant paid amount.

In the middle of the program HUD says no longer going to do that leaving providers with tenants in valuable property with essentially no deposit.

To say the massive credits and subsidies exist is true... what isn't true is that everyone eligible will benefit even following to the letter...

The rental housing providers challenge and lobby against onerous mandates with little to show...

The low income grants and programs never go to a owner builder building a few units... they instead go to the big boys...
 
   / Market Watch #867  
I have 9.89 of forest land with huge cedar and towering fir and much is critical habitat so logging is off limits.

I realize volumes of programs exist but actually benefitting is another thing.

Had a huge energy program to upgrade home HVAC and only certain models qualified... waited and paid the more expensive price, permitted and all submitted well within time and the PGE bankruptcy cancelled it all out.

We had a first time home buyer program that is quite intense... can't tell you how many I know that walked away in frustration because funding was exhausted in days for programs that were skated for a calendar year

A little off topic but managed a lot of low income Section 8 rentals at one time and families were placed in units with HUD mandated $50 to $150 security deposits with HUD providing up to 2 months rent amount over the tenant paid amount.

In the middle of the program HUD saif no longer going to do that leaving providers with tenants in valuable property with essentially no deposit.

To say the massive credits and subsidies exist is true... what isn't true is that everyone eligible will benefit even following to the letter...
I think that you have been given bad information regarding thinning your forestland. Yes, threatened and endangered species habitat has some legal restrictions on management and logging of large trees, but I’ve never seen a T&E species recovery plan that doesn’t have provisions for hazardous fuels thinning. I know you can do that in California spotted owl habitat because we do this on National Forest lands in CA, under consultation with US Fish and Wildlife Service. I recommend talking to someone with your state forestry department or a consulting forester.
 
   / Market Watch #868  
Any forest landowner who has ten plus acres can get tens of thousands of USDA dollars to thin their forest either by contract chainsaw or mastication treatment. A forester has to write a management plan and the purpose just has to be to improve timber production, wildlife habitat, or reduce hazardous fuels. Of course most landowners aren’t living below the poverty line.
Are you saying that the landowner must be living below the poverty line to qualify? What does 'Living below the poverty line" actually mean?
 
   / Market Watch #869  
I think that you have been given bad information regarding thinning your forestland. Yes, threatened and endangered species habitat has some legal restrictions on management and logging of large trees, but I’ve never seen a T&E species recovery plan that doesn’t have provisions for hazardous fuels thinning. I know you can do that in California spotted owl habitat because we do this on National Forest lands in CA, under consultation with US Fish and Wildlife Service. I recommend talking to someone with your state forestry department or a consulting forester.
Certainly possible on the info.

I looked into it for my forest land in Thurston County Washington and was told being salt water front with 2 salmon bearing streams made me ineligible for anything but a conservation easement consideration.. or I could sell for the tax roll assessed value or donate to the district in a very simple process.

The 20 acres of Live Oak in Oakland comes under the cities tree preservation ordinance... cutting down any single tree requires an expensive permit with lengthy public review process and if granted all work must be done under the supervision of a city arborist to protect nearby flora and if a threatened species found... forget about it.

Thinning by limbing up is required for fire so long as tree not compromised... no permit required...

A friend is a licensed contractor doing mitigation and fire trail maintenance...

Before he can move a fallen log it first has to be approved by a team of UC grads hired to assure moving will not harm habitat or increase erosion...

A salamander under a fallen tree will stop the project in its tracks.
 
   / Market Watch #870  
Are you saying that the landowner must be living below the poverty line to qualify? What does 'Living below the poverty line" actually mean?
It’s starting to look more and more like “middle class” the way we are going.
 
   / Market Watch #871  
Of course they do. rScotty is just obtuse and argumentative.
The other thing noteworthy about our nearest giant city (Philly) is that they survive off of money from the suburbs. The suburbanites go to the city and blow millions and millions on pro sports tickets, parking, museums, the arts, etc., but most of the city residents and politicians hate the suburbanites.

Without the city, the suburbs would have no “culture”. OK, we would still survive, though.
Without the suburbs, the city wouldn’t exist-they’d have no money. They can’t survive without outside money from the ‘burbs and state/fed money.

Yet here we are, people from the burbs go to the city, get beat up, robbed, car jacked and continue to be their “banker”.
 
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   / Market Watch #872  
Certainly possible on the info.

I looked into it for my forest land in Thurston County Washington and was told being salt water front with 2 salmon bearing streams made me ineligible for anything but a conservation easement consideration.. or I could sell for the tax roll assessed value or donate to the district in a very simple process.

The 20 acres of Live Oak in Oakland comes under the cities tree preservation ordinance... cutting down any single tree requires an expensive permit with lengthy public review process and if granted all work must be done under the supervision of a city arborist to protect nearby flora and if a threatened species found... forget about it.

Thinning by limbing up is required for fire so long as tree not compromised... no permit required...

A friend is a licensed contractor doing mitigation and fire trail maintenance...

Before he can move a fallen log it first has to be approved by a team of UC grads hired to assure moving will not harm habitat or increase erosion...

A salamander under a fallen tree will stop the project in its tracks.
I don’t know about lands that fall under urban boundaries. I’ve never worked in those areas. But in any case, consulting with a local licensed consulting forester or state forester will give you the best advice.
 
   / Market Watch #873  
Are you saying that the landowner must be living below the poverty line to qualify? What does 'Living below the poverty line" actually mean?
No, I’m pointing out that these programs are largely focused on people who are not living below the poverty line (middle class and wealthy). Few poor people are forest landowners. But these programs aren’t based on income, they are based on the land conditions and needs for treating the forest.
 
   / Market Watch #874  
Without the suburbs, the city wouldn’t exist-they’d have no money. They can’t survive without outside money from the ‘burbs and state/fed money.
Most urban 'cities' are money rat holes.
 
   / Market Watch #875  
No, I’m pointing out that these programs are largely focused on people who are not living below the poverty line (middle class and wealthy). Few poor people are forest landowners. But these programs aren’t based on income, they are based on the land conditions and needs for treating the forest.
Ok, so that was very confusing for a country boy like me. So if these programs are not targeted toward economically disadvantaged areas or individuals it sounds like you were trying to state a half-truth to bolster a point about federal money going into rural areas.
 
   / Market Watch #876  
Ok, so that was very confusing for a country boy like me. So if these programs are not targeted toward economically disadvantaged areas or individuals it sounds like you were trying to state a half-truth to bolster a point about federal money going into rural areas.
No targeting of people or classes of people. The focus isn’t on people; it’s on getting forest lands managed. The qualifying criteria is whether or not your forestland meets productivity standards and whether it needs thinning to improve timber production, wildlife habit, or needs hazardous fuels reduction. Not much different than the CRP program for farmlands, except the forestry programs focus on productive lands and CRP focuses on unproductive lands. There isn’t any half truths here. There are lots of USDA programs that funnel federal funds to rural areas. Here’s a huge one: all state forestry departments receive the bulk of their funding for forest management, landowner assistance, and wildfire management as federal funding though my agency (USDA Forest Service). Not state legislatures. And these programs are largely focused on rural concerns. Except for the food assistance programs like SNAP, USDA is an agency focused on helping rural lands and people. And we’re talking $billions$.
 
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   / Market Watch #877  
And these programs are largely focused on rural concerns. Except for the food assistance programs like SNAP, USDA is an agency focused on helping rural lands and people. And we’re talking $billions$.
You say largely but not entirely because you know those programs are initiated in rural areas, of course, because that is where our food is grown. The money continues to extend across the entire country and especially into inner cities. Huge welfare programs are mostly needed in inner cities. Sanctuary cities especially consume huge amounts of those tax $$.
 
   / Market Watch #878  
You say largely but not entirely because you know those programs are initiated in rural areas, of course, because that is where our food is grown. The money continues to extend across the entire country and especially into inner cities. Huge welfare programs are mostly needed in inner cities. Sanctuary cities especially consume huge amounts of those tax $$.
No doubt that cities receive a lot of tax dollars. So do our rural areas. The rural area programs are a large amount per recipient. Let’s just acknowledge that federal dollars fund both urban and rural communities. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. It’s investing in America and rural/urban needs are different but both are important to our country.
 
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   / Market Watch #879  
So many of these programs aren't investing at all because the outcome measurements show they cost a lot of money with few measurable results to show for it. There is a state jobs creation program near me that has operated since the mid 1980s that hasn't generated many jobs for anyone except the people that run it. Can't figure out why it still exists since there was a move to shut it down, but it moved to a new office building about 5 years ago.
 
   / Market Watch #880  
Funding food production or keeping wildlife alive makes sense (to me)

I always vote for those grants when they pop up on a ballot



Wildlife Sanctuaries =100%
Human Sanctuaries=‘hard no
 

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