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[bindian]

Is it only the fuel lying stagnant in the filter that is the problem? That seems the only difference. Fuel is always there in either case.
Thanks, larry

Excerpts from Turbo Diesel Register (TDR) for Dodge/Cummins trucks. Issue#54 page 12 by Scott Dalgleish...To date, about the most negative report we have noted with any consistency would be that the detergent level of the new ULSD is purging all the "gunk" as John Holmes puts it, from the refinery's and station's equipment into your tank, requiring an additional fuel filter change or two above and beyond the recommended service intervals.The long term effects are yet to be determined, but the outlook is positive.
The bottom line is ULSD is not an exact science. Yet. Why risk the price of a fuel injector pump R&R over the price of changing fuel filters one more time during the year? What is the cost of break down on the job?

This from Fleet Owner ABCs of ULSD
WILL ULSD AFFECT PERFORMANCE?
Engine and vehicle manufacturers expect ULSD to be fully compatible with the existing fleet, including 2006 and earlier model year vehicles. In some instances, however, the introduction of ULSD fuel to older vehicles may affect fuel system components or loosen deposits in fuel tanks. As part of a good maintenance program, owners and operators of existing trucks and buses are encouraged to monitor their diesel-powered vehicles closely for potential fuel system leaks or premature fuel filter plugging during the changeover to ULSD fuel.
hugs, Brandi

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I just hate to take the plunge and then 6 months from now say I should've waited. That's kind of what happened to me with the debut of the 20 series. I geuss there is always something newer and sometimes nicer in the works.
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If you wait for the 82hp cab, you won't have to worry about a newer model for 3-4 years would be my guess. I have one of the first 7520s (04) and it is still the current model for the most part. I'm anxious to see that 82hp Mahindra though.

 

[SPYDERLK]

My best quote to date has been $35,500 for tractor, loader, bale spear, and pallet forks. That's from a dealer about 100 miles from me. My local dealer (30 miles) is $500 higher.
I know the 7010 will have no trouble with all my implements, especially my vermeer roller. I know that because the 6000 is doing fine with them. I just hate to take the plunge and then 6 months from now say I should've waited. That's kind of what happened to me with the debut of the 20 series. I geuss there is always something newer and sometimes nicer in the works. Another way to look at it is sometimes you get too big.
Too bad I don't have deep pockets, I'd trade the 6000 for a 20 series and get the new cab tractor. Then throw in a compact with a backhoe for good measure. Somebody pinch me I'm dreaming.

Watch out on anything with high hydraulic delivery and a cab if it is based on the same powering arrangement used on the 6520 and 7520. The cam gear acts as an idler between the crank and the drive to the Main and P/S pumps, 45A alternator and cooling fan. This is a helical gear carrying hi power and must withstand opposing thrust loading at opposite points on the gearface. This has the effect of twisting the gear out of plane. My 7520 with 17GPM pump was too much load for this gear. I received an upgrade after this gear broke at about 200hrs, however the amount of improvement did not look significant although it is a 3rd generation improvement addressing past problems that cropped up when they went to the large pump. If they are hanging an air conditioning compressor and a bigger alternator on the power this gear has to transmit I would get real worried.
larry

 

[xlr82v2]

What was the rationale behind that? Is the ULSD "dirty", or does it deteriorate the coatings inside the fuel tank and the fuel lines?

Very interesting...

Excerpts from Turbo Diesel Register (TDR) for Dodge/Cummins trucks. Issue#54 page 12 by Scott Dalgleish...To date, about the most negative report we have noted with any consistency would be that the detergent level of the new ULSD is purging all the "gunk" as John Holmes puts it, from the refinery's and station's equipment into your tank, requiring an additional fuel filter change or two above and beyond the recommended service intervals.The long term effects are yet to be determined, but the outlook is positive.
The bottom line is ULSD is not an exact science. Yet. Why risk the price of a fuel injector pump R&R over the price of changing fuel filters one more time during the year? What is the cost of break down on the job?

This from Fleet Owner ABCs of ULSD
WILL ULSD AFFECT PERFORMANCE?
Engine and vehicle manufacturers expect ULSD to be fully compatible with the existing fleet, including 2006 and earlier model year vehicles. In some instances, however, the introduction of ULSD fuel to older vehicles may affect fuel system components or loosen deposits in fuel tanks. As part of a good maintenance program, owners and operators of existing trucks and buses are encouraged to monitor their diesel-powered vehicles closely for potential fuel system leaks or premature fuel filter plugging during the changeover to ULSD fuel.
hugs, Brandi

OK, now that makes a little more sense!!! Actually a LOT more sense. But, isn't that what I asked in the first place? Sounds like we're going to relive the introduction of Gasohol just like back in the late 70's

I wasn't buying the "Filters will turn to mush" explanation for an instant. Although, if the filters DO deteriorate much more quickly in ULSD, then Mahindra needs to find a solution to that problem pronto...

Do you think the primaries will catch all the gunk, or do you think secondary filter plugging may become an issue as well?

Probably might be good insurance to have a spare set of filters on the shelf just in case...

 

[xlr82v2]

Watch out on anything with high hydraulic delivery and a cab if it is based on the same powering arrangement used on the 6520 and 7520. The cam gear acts as an idler between the crank and the drive to the Main and P/S pumps, 45A alternator and cooling fan. This is a helical gear carrying hi power and must withstand opposing thrust loading at opposite points on the gearface. This has the effect of twisting the gear out of plane. My 7520 with 17GPM pump was too much load for this gear. I received an upgrade after this gear broke at about 200hrs, however the amount of improvement did not look significant although it is a 3rd generation improvement addressing past problems that cropped up when they went to the large pump. If they are hanging an air conditioning compressor and a bigger alternator on the power this gear has to transmit I would get real worried.
larry

Are you saying that on these tractors, the alternator, A/C compressor, and fan are not driven by a belt from the crankshaft pulley?

Very interesting... I've never seen a tractor engine set up like that before... Continentals and Lycomings, yes, but I never imagined Mahindra would have a similar setup.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Brandi, I don't know if it was mentioned or if you know but is that 82 hp number engine hp or pto hp. If it is pto hp then I would be interested in it if it is a decent size frame (I would prefer 90 pto hp but ). Right now if I can't work out a deal to keep my 7710-II then I will have to look for another tractor and it will be a basic FWA, cab 80-90 pto hp 3.5 ton tractor. I have been looking at the New Holland TD95D or the JX95 version but if Mahindra comes out with a comparable tractor it will give me something else to consider when/if the time comes. I hope they keep expanding their line to venture to the 100 pto hp mark.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Brandi, I don't know if it was mentioned or if you know but is that 82 hp number engine hp or pto hp. If it is pto hp then I would be interested in it if it is a decent size frame (I would prefer 90 pto hp but ). Right now if I can't work out a deal to keep my 7710-II then I will have to look for another tractor and it will be a basic FWA, cab 80-90 pto hp 3.5 ton tractor. I have been looking at the New Holland TD95D or the JX95 version but if Mahindra comes out with a comparable tractor it will give me something else to consider when/if the time comes. I hope they keep expanding their line to venture to the 100 pto hp mark.

Robert, I think that the 82hp is engine, not pto. So maybe 72hp to the pto? My 7520 is 7350lbs bare tractor, I would think that the 82hp cabbed tractor would be that or more. Hopefully we will find out in Feb.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Robert, I think that the 82hp is engine, not pto. So maybe 72hp to the pto? My 7520 is 7350lbs bare tractor, I would think that the 82hp cabbed tractor would be that or more. Hopefully we will find out in Feb.

But I don't want to wait till February

I fear it is engine hp also, figure the 10hp drop to pto numbers, then another 5 maybe for the AC and it is 67 pto hp when baling hay. Hopefully they will keep building the line as I hope to keep building my farm operation and given my latest experience with a used tractor I am getting to the point of buying new tractors from now on.

The 3.5 ton number is kind of a base number. I would love lighter for haying and heavier for tillage so for the hp 3.5 ton is kind of a in between number. 1000-1500 pounds heavier won't hurt anything too bad.

 

[bindian]

Brandi, I don't know if it was mentioned or if you know but is that 82 hp number engine hp or pto hp. If it is pto hp then I would be interested in it if it is a decent size frame (I would prefer 90 pto hp but ). Right now if I can't work out a deal to keep my 7710-II then I will have to look for another tractor and it will be a basic FWA, cab 80-90 pto hp 3.5 ton tractor. I have been looking at the New Holland TD95D or the JX95 version but if Mahindra comes out with a comparable tractor it will give me something else to consider when/if the time comes. I hope they keep expanding their line to venture to the 100 pto hp mark.

Robert,
I have heard 85 hp and I have heard 82 hp. I am not sure. I will try to find out on Monday. I will mention some guys are ready to buy and want more specifications. Maybe they will tell us a little more. I agree with Brian. I think it will debute in Feb. at the World Ag Expo. I plan on being there to see it, among other things.
hugs, Brandi

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Thanks Brandi, please keep us posted.

A while back during the 24/7 helpline thread I kept telling everyone I would rather see Mahindra spend money to expand their line more so then to pay a guy to read the owners manual to someone. Hopefully they will keep spending money to expand their line.

 

[billbill1]

Not to hijack the thread, my daughter live 5-10 miles from IAH in Humble, Tx. Is the dealership close to that? I'll check it out the next time I'm down that way, if it is.

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

But I don't want to wait till February

I fear it is engine hp also, figure the 10hp drop to pto numbers, then another 5 maybe for the AC and it is 67 pto hp when baling hay. Hopefully they will keep building the line as I hope to keep building my farm operation and given my latest experience with a used tractor I am getting to the point of buying new tractors from now on.

The 3.5 ton number is kind of a base number. I would love lighter for haying and heavier for tillage so for the hp 3.5 ton is kind of a in between number. 1000-1500 pounds heavier won't hurt anything too bad.

I think, in January we will know the answers on this tractor, and hopefully that will be soon enough.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

It will be, hopefully by February they will have a bigger tractor

 

[bindian]

Not to hijack the thread, my daughter live 5-10 miles from IAH in Humble, Tx. Is the dealership close to that? I'll check it out the next time I'm down that way, if it is.

Billbill1,
MahindraUSA's distribution and parts warehouse is near IAH. Headquarters is still just west of Tomball. They don't have the new model in Tomball. On second thought, maybe they did and they were hiding it from me.
hugs, Brandi

 

[jwcinpk]

Given Mahindra's relationship with TYM and the fact that TYM is working on a 100 hp model I don't know if the 80+/- hp tractor would be the grand papa for 4-5 years. We just never know. I would never have dreamed Deere would get as competitive as they have with the 5603. That's a lot of tractor for the money. Still another $8000 - $9000 between it and a 7010.
I'm very interested now in the design of the 7010. Using the 7520 engine one would assume they would be the same cam setup. Interesting to note too that the hydraulic output on the 7010 is 12.4 gpm compared to 17 gpm on the 7520.
SPYDERLK can you or someone else here elaborate some on this subject?
My local dealer has a 7010 that he uses on his farm and has not had any problems with the cam design.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Are you saying that on these tractors, the alternator, A/C compressor, and fan are not driven by a belt from the crankshaft pulley?

Very interesting... I've never seen a tractor engine set up like that before... Continentals and Lycomings, yes, but I never imagined Mahindra would have a similar setup.

On the 65&7520s the crankshaft does not come to the outside. It ends with a helical gear just inside the front engine cover. From this gear inside the cover, the cam gear and the fuel injector pump gear are driven. The cam gear meshes with a gear directly across it from where it is driven by the crank. This gear is on a shaft that on one end directly drives the 2 Hyd pumps and on the other end exits the front case and directly drives a large pulley. Your interpretation of what I said is good. This is not a crankshaft pulley. It drives the alternator, fan, and water pump. All loads you put on it stress that cam gear which is already quite busy spinning the big [23gpm] hydraulic load that is on the other end of the pulley shaft. Since the gears are helical the plane of an idler is twisted by loading. So, all things considered, how much load can you drive from this pulley? It depends on the cam gear. Ive given up any thot of an auxiliary AC/DC generator
larry

 

[bindian]

Given Mahindra's relationship with TYM and the fact that TYM is working on a 100 hp model I don't know if the 80+/- hp tractor would be the grand papa for 4-5 years. We just never know. I would never have dreamed Deere would get as competitive as they have with the 5603. That's a lot of tractor for the money. Still another $8000 - $9000 between it and a 7010.
I'm very interested now in the design of the 7010. Using the 7520 engine one would assume they would be the same cam setup. Interesting to note too that the hydraulic output on the 7010 is 12.4 gpm compared to 17 gpm on the 7520.
SPYDERLK can you or someone else here elaborate some on this subject?
My local dealer has a 7010 that he uses on his farm and has not had any problems with the cam design.

Jwcinpk,
As I remember it, we all talking about different engines here. I would imagine the 82 hp one is a different design from the 7520, as that engine without the turbo has less power than the 6520's engine. I saw a 6030 in Tomball with it's hood and cowlings all off. It is the emission monster engine, so I would think with new emission regulations in place, HP will be in the form of more cubic inches and a turbo. I can not see with emissions on the new cab model having the same base engine as the 7520 and added hp only in the form of a turbo.
hugs, Brandi

 

[jwcinpk]

Jwcinpk,
As I remember it, we all talking about different engines here. I would imagine the 82 hp one is a different design from the 7520, as that engine without the turbo has less power than the 6520's engine. I saw a 6030 in Tomball with it's hood and cowlings all off. It is the emission monster engine, so I would think with new emission regulations in place, HP will be in the form of more cubic inches and a turbo. I can not see with emissions on the new cab model having the same base engine as the 7520 and added hp only in the form of a turbo.
hugs, Brandi

Yes it's my understanding that the new tractor will be a different engine. My comparison is that the 7520 and 7010 share the same engine. The other TYM based/built units have a Deere engine. It's also my understanding that my 6000 has this engine just a different compression and minus the turbo.
I wonder if that 6030 you saw is one that's currently available?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

What is the TYM-Mahindra connection?

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

TYM builds the Mahindra 10 series tractors, including the 4510 and 7010 Cab tractors. The new cab models that are coming soon are Mahindra made.

The 6030 tractor is presently available, and last week I recieved the imformation and literature on the new 6530 model and it is also now available.