Made in India MF Compacts

[DavesTractor]

I just saw this on Equipment Dealer website. It's probably not news to you Massey fans, but it was news to me. I sell Mahindra, so I have no issues with Indian built machines, they provide a solid tractor for less money.

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[IH3444]

Jumping jeepers......not another tractor made in India like my 1971 International 3444, built on the B275 Mahindra tractor platform, with a South Korean FEL, and the 14ft digging backhoe finally built by International here in the United States. What in the world are we getting into......

 

[WilliamBos]

The 2600 series is not a compact. It is a replacement for some of the 500 series.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

So what is the point of this thread? Tractors are made in all sorts of countries by just about every brand. This is nothing new, which country they come from does not really mean much anymore as just about every tractor has parts from all over the world.

 

[DavesTractor]

The 2600 series is not a compact. It is a replacement for some of the 500 series.

I was wondering about that. Most of the tractors out of India are utility size, even though the announcement said compact. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[DavesTractor]

So what is the point of this thread? Tractors are made in all sorts of countries by just about every brand. This is nothing new, which country they come from does not really mean much anymore as just about every tractor has parts from all over the world.

The point of the thread?

This is a tractor forum, this is the MF portion of it, and this is news related to MF that might interest people.

 

[bobmisi]

I believe the purpose of the thread is to provide good reliable information to people who are considerring buying a tractor or are just interested in trators. I believe this information is helpful because dealers are not always forthcoming with information about where things are made today, The more good reliable information that is out there the better, so keep it coming, let's not try and sensor someones post.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Do that many dealers hide the fact that tractors (including Massey) are made in countries other then the US? Massey is from England to begin with so it was never an American brand. So really, what difference does country of origin make anymore? It is kind of like racism for the tractor world.

Lets see, CNH is built in a ton of different countries, Deere is built in a ton of countries, same with Agco and Argo. Kubota is built in multiple countries also.

So if all these companies are building tractors all over the world with parts sourced from all over the world then why is it "news" when a Mahindra dealer finds out that Agco and Tafe have an agreement to sell tractors made in India? To me when someone states something is "news" I think of something like New Holland buying out Case-IH or K-mart buying Sears, or Yanmar signing an agreement to build tractors for Cub Cadet. Where a tractor is made just doesn't really seem like something exciting or surprising. And not something worth starting a thread about.

Well, I guess I can sum it up, A foreign brand that is now owned by an American company does and has always made a lot of tractors on foreign land. Shocking

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I believe the purpose of the thread is to provide good reliable information to people who are considerring buying a tractor or are just interested in trators. I believe this information is helpful because dealers are not always forthcoming with information about where things are made today, The more good reliable information that is out there the better, so keep it coming, let's not try and sensor someones post.

Does Agco claim these tractors are made elsewhere? If not then the most basic of reserach would tell even a novice tractor buyer where a tractor is made if it even mattered.

I am not trying to censor anyone, it just seems like a post made similar to the John Deeres made in India thread that was also started by a Mahindra owner.

If indeed someone did make a claim and a guy came on here stating his local dealer said the new 2600 series Massey Fergusons are made in the US then yes, I can see a point to this post in reply to that thread but it isn't groundbreaking information worthing of shocking anyone in this day and age (especially a tractor dealer).

 

[TBDonnelly]

This is a tractor forum, this is the MF portion of it, and this is news related to MF that might interest people.

Dave, I have a hard time keeping current on which tractor comes from where. Thanks for the info. No issues here.

Don

 

[DavesTractor]

Dave, I have a hard time keeping current on which tractor comes from where. Thanks for the info. No issues here.

Don

Thanks Don.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Dave, I have a hard time keeping current on which tractor comes from where. Thanks for the info. No issues here.

Don

I am curious, would you not buy a tractor if it comes from one country over another? If not then what difference does it make where a tractor is made?

 

[DavesTractor]

Does Agco claim these tractors are made elsewhere? If not then the most basic of reserach would tell even a novice tractor buyer where a tractor is made if it even mattered.

I am not trying to censor anyone, it just seems like a post made similar to the John Deeres made in India thread that was also started by a Mahindra owner.

If indeed someone did make a claim and a guy came on here stating his local dealer said the new 2600 series Massey Fergusons are made in the US then yes, I can see a point to this post in reply to that thread but it isn't groundbreaking information worthing of shocking anyone in this day and age (especially a tractor dealer).

Robert,

This has nothing to do with John Deere in India or China or whatever thread you are referencing. It's info I saw on an Equipment Dealer website and thought others would find of interest. I've owned Massey's before, so if that is a prerequisite to post in this section, I have that covered.

Not shocking, not groundbreaking, and not really much of a big deal, hence the confusion at your comments.

Surely something else is buggin' you?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I am sorry Dave. I just recall anytime I mention anything in a Mahindra forum that isn't all warm and fuzzy I get jumped for having an agenda. Then recently there are threads by Mahindra owners dealing with John Deere and Massey Fergusons and then you start a post in the MF forum that seems quite similar to the Made in China on John Deere thread (although you didn't come out condemming MF like the Mahindra owner did in the JD thread).

I am being honest though, what difference does it really make to anyone where a tractor is made? I can see people having issues with China because of some of the problems coming from there but if your buying a Deere, Mahindra, CNH, Agco whatever you are relying on that company to monitor their plants and to produce a quality product regardless where it is built. And the fact you sell Mahindra tractors which are made overseas also seems odd that you would be surprised that other companies do the same.

This goes along the same line "off-brand" and other silly things that have nothing to do with the quality of the product. My tractor is better then yours because it is made here or yours is an "off brand". A post like this almost seems like you are saying "look everyone, MF builds tractors here too" To me (having followed some of the other Mahindra threads) it either meant you were trying to drum up business for Mahindra by linking MF to India also or to knock MF as some idiots knock Mahindra because they are from India.

As I said before, where tractors are built really doesn't matter and all it amounts to is racism for the tractor world.

 

[DavesTractor]

I am sorry Dave. I just recall anytime I mention anything in a Mahindra forum that isn't all warm and fuzzy I get jumped for having an agenda. Then recently there are threads by Mahindra owners dealing with John Deere and Massey Fergusons and then you start a post in the MF forum that seems quite similar to the Made in China on John Deere thread (although you didn't come out condemming MF like the Mahindra owner did in the JD thread).

I am being honest though, what difference does it really make to anyone where a tractor is made? I can see people having issues with China because of some of the problems coming from there but if your buying a Deere, Mahindra, CNH, Agco whatever you are relying on that company to monitor their plants and to produce a quality product regardless where it is built. And the fact you sell Mahindra tractors which are made overseas also seems odd that you would be surprised that other companies do the same.

This goes along the same line "off-brand" and other silly things that have nothing to do with the quality of the product. My tractor is better then yours because it is made here or yours is an "off brand". A post like this almost seems like you are saying "look everyone, MF builds tractors here too" To me (having followed some of the other Mahindra threads) it either meant you were trying to drum up business for Mahindra by linking MF to India also or to knock MF as some idiots knock Mahindra because they are from India.

As I said before, where tractors are built really doesn't matter and all it amounts to is racism for the tractor world.

OK Robert, I think I understand, and you were beat up a few times, but it wasn't me. I am not "them". So your comments were resultant of baggage from old posts. Apologies accepted. If you read my posts, I seldom stir the pot.

I actually agree with much of what you are saying. A quality tractor can be built anywhere, if done right.

Non-Big 3 owners do get tired of answering "where is it built". People do care, because I get asked every day. Yet many aren't as educated as you are. Most think JD, NH, etc., are built in the USA entirely.

It would be very interesting to start a thread in the general section about where every tractor is made. The only problem is that a few people would likely get defensive and it would go down hill. Why do I care? I've travelled the world a little and have been to tractor plants in other countries. I find other countries and other cultures interesting, and I really enjoy tractors.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I agree Dave, but the more people talk about where tractors are built the more the topic hangs there.

I know you do not tend to stir the pot but don't you want to ask some of those people who ask you where the Mahindras are built where their shoes come from or where the computer that runs their car comes from? I just can not get over how so many people still get hung up on where is it made. There is not one tractor made entirely in the US or any country for that matter. Parts come from all over, steel comes from all over, oil comes from all over.

Do you really meet many people that think all New Holland tractors are built in the US? That would be funny since anyone that knows the short history of New Holland tractors know they are owned by Fiat but even back to the Ford days, their great selling point was Harry Fergusons 3 point hitch from England. Without that Ford tractors were no different then any of the other tractors on the market. Tractors have always been a global product ever since they started making tractors. Deere bought Lanz, Agco bought everyone else, the guys they didn't buy Argo did.

I guess thats why it doesn't make any sense why people get hung up on where tractors are made since they have always been made all over the world. It makes no difference to me what brand of tractor I run or where it is made. All I care about is that my dealer will take care of me if there is a problem.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

As if it even mattered WHERE any tractor was built. It's not about where, but about HOW they're built. I hear constant critisizm about point of origin for all brands, however, the "complainers" never show any link to quality or lack there-of. Also, I constantly hear Mahindra owners (as an example) raving about the built in quality of Mahindra tractors, their link to old IH models built in India by Mahindra, yet most of their their tractors that are imported to the US in recent years were built in South Korea and Japan. Does that make them automatically BETTER or WORSE? Or does it make any significant difference?

I'd prefer to judge my tractors by things like performance, economy of operation, over-all quality, dealer/parts/service support, and over-all value. Point of origin is meaningless. We've all seen some quality tractors come out of India, and we've all seen some garbage. Would it be fair to automatically link a tractor to either end of that spectrum without a fair evaluation?

I do however, find it most amusing how so many Mahindra owners seem to be so caught up in "proving" the equality of their "Indian made tractors" (that aren't made in India) , even to the point of announcing what Massey Ferguson has already made known. (Info was made available from MF 18 months ago)

India and China are the two largest markets for utility tractors today. Neither will allow "outsiders" to import tractors for sales in their home market. They have to be built there to sell there. Massey Ferguson, being one of the largest "players" in the utility tractor industry is merely doing what has to be done to keep their market share. Massey has had a link with Same for several decades. Same has had a presence in India for quite some time. That's nothing new, nor is it anything that needs to be addressed as if it were a change. Every brand with an interest in maintaining a reasonable level of competitive market share has already made moves to enter those markets. Quality of the products exported from India is to be determined by the standards of each company involved and not by the geographic location of their factories.

 

[JerryG]

Taft has been building Massey Ferguson's at least since the 1970s. They are one of the many licensed manufactures around the world that builds Massey tractors such a Uzel, IMT, Ursus and Same to name just a few.

 

[Travis_R]

My 1998 231 Massey Ferguson is made in Poland by "Ursus". I've had it for a couple weeks now, and put right at 35 rough hours on it bushhogging. It has 531 hours on the meter. It seems to be Very well built. I haven't had a single problem with it. It is Extremely fuel efficient, which also helps tremendously.

Personally, I don't care where a tractor is made, as long as it has a good quality and parts support.

As far as the China tractors (talking about the Farm Pro, Jinma, Lenar, and a few others in that category) are concerned, I wouldn't buy one just yet because the quality just isn't there yet for me. I've been told there is a good parts support for them, but that doesn't make up for the lack of quality.

Travis R

 

[jayhaitch]

Travis R: so your tractor is a real bear to drive?


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