Lower 3pl arms quick hitch options?

[tractor240]

I just got sent some pics of the Walterscheid by their rep.
He said that they are cast and assembled in Germany.

AMA told me that theirs are cast in India and assembled in Italy.
Pricewise the Waltersheid are around $1000 for the kit. The hooks on their own are only slightly less so not worth it because the balls off the shelf from other suppliers may not be a good fit.

The CBM are around $600 for a pair of hooks.
The AMA is around $340 similar to above kit.
All Cat.2 prices

 

[Oz_Kioti]

I have the CBM, and about the only "issue" I have is that occasionally I need to blow the chaff/grass/detritus out of them after a slashing session.

Maybe that's necessary whichever brand you use, but it's certainly not a big deal.

Just be sure you get the correct size balls. Down here, most available balls are metric (~50.0mm) and the 2" (~50.8mm) just won't fit!

 

[tractor240]

Does anyone know how useful the ball guide cones are with the hooks, or do they tend to just get in the way?

 

[ptsg]

Personally I can't see the need for the extendable lift arms with the hooks. Unless the tractor being fitted with the hooks, already has the extendable arms. You don't really rely on extending the arms with this system.

With the hooks, if the tractor is not exactly square with the implement, just push it a little bit with using the hooks and it's done.

Anyway, as far as ball sizes, it is as follows:

Cat 1 - 44 mm
Cat 2 - 56 mm
Cat 3 - 64 mm
Cat 4 - 85 mm

 

[TMGT]

I've had 3 different types of quick hitches, frame, Pat's, and hook.

If you don't have all QH compatible implements and don't have extendable links, the Pat's are the easiest I used.

For the hooks, I made new slide in adaptors so I wouldn't have to cut up my factory ends, which worked out, since I had to switch back.

Just check your clearance of the implement around the hook. If any part loads the tip of the hook they can break!

 

[tractor240]

..... they can break!
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Are they AMA?

 

[ptsg]

I've had 3 different types of quick hitches, frame, Pat's, and hook.

If you don't have all QH compatible implements and don't have extendable links, the Pat's are the easiest I used.

For the hooks, I made new slide in adaptors so I wouldn't have to cut up my factory ends, which worked out, since I had to switch back.
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Just check your clearance of the implement around the hook. If any part loads the tip of the hook they can break!
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To be fair, it was a bit more than loading the tip of the hooks if I recall correctly. Weren't you extending the top link when the bottom of the hook hit the frame of the implement?

 

[Oz_Kioti]

Personally I can't see the need for the extendable lift arms with the hooks. Unless the tractor being fitted with the hooks, already has the extendable arms. You don't really rely on extending the arms with this system.

With the hooks, if the tractor is not exactly square with the implement, just push it a little bit with using the hooks and it's done.

Anyway, as far as ball sizes, it is as follows:

Cat 1 - 44 mm
Cat 2 - 56 mm
Cat 3 - 64 mm
Cat 4 - 85 mm

Ahh - I might have been thinking of tow ball sizes...

 

[chim]

Regardless of whether TMGT was or wasn't abusing the hooks, it looks like those hooks have a built-in failure point where they're scalloped out on both sides at the bottom of the opening.

 

[tractor240]

Regardless of whether TMGT was or wasn't abusing the hooks, it looks like those hooks have a built-in failure point where they're scalloped out on both sides at the bottom of the opening.

All three brands have the scallops. The quality of the casting is probably the potential weak point and that's likely to be what causes the considerable price difference between the three. Question is, are the Walterscheid's castings worth $400 more than the CBM and where are the CBM castings made 'cos aside from Europe, they have two factories in India and one in China.

Walterscheid, made in Germany:

 

[ptsg]

Regardless of whether TMGT was or wasn't abusing the hooks, it looks like those hooks have a built-in failure point where they're scalloped out on both sides at the bottom of the opening.

Those indents are clearance points for the lower pins when tilting the implement left and right.

They don't really break under normal use.

 

[chim]

Those indents are clearance points for the lower pins when tilting the implement left and right.

They don't really break under normal use.

I don't dispute what you've said. I simply observed that the failures occurred at the area with the smallest cross section as one would expect.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

What angle are those welded?

It varies from model to model. I do not have these sitting here; they are built to what the tractor needs.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Does anyone know how useful the ball guide cones are with the hooks, or do they tend to just get in the way?

Yes, they help for connections, you don't have to be as close to centered as you do without that feature.