Loose 430 Loader shim fix

[Chuck4310]

dfk- I'm sure your fix will work fine. If your bead is too much, just grind it down.

mjn- I had about 1/8" gap and it was enough to make me worry about the mounting brackets slipping off! It doesn't sound like much, but it has a big effect way out at the other end.

jd4300- Yes I was suprised at how quickly it got to that point. I thought it was just me because no one else seemed to comment on it.

 

[mjncad]

Here are a few pics of how the shims are ,by direction, in relation to the bearing surfaces.

If I were to do it again I would position the shims closer to the "round" edge.

It took about 450 hrs. to get to the point of having to fix the sloppiness problem. I use the loader a lot plus snowplowing with a Curtis [plow attached to the loader arms.

What type of gap have you got between the "claw" and the square bracket?

I know this is an old post; but I just welded on a 14GA shim on the left front face of the loader mount as shown in photo 3 of post #7. I chose 14GA stock as it was the thickest piece of shim stock that barely fit the gap between loader mount and the loader claw. I put the loader back on, and I still have a gap that is about 16GA as a piece of 14GA wouldn't fit. The right side is still tight. Go figure. :confused2:

At least the shim stock I bought from the scrap yard was about $0.50.

 

[AKfish]

The horizontal post isn't bent or tweaked is it?

Did you run a square across the length?

'Course the wear might be uneven and make the square look off - or square off the bottom as that's "clean"...?

AKfish

 

[mjncad]

Apparently I need to investigate this alignment problem more thoroughly as the apparently obvious turned out to be misleading.

 

[Chuck4310]

There are three contact points on each side.

Five of mine took one shim and one took two.

Only two points looked obviously worn with a visible gap.

I figured that they were all worn to some degree so I didn't want to throw the whole thing out of kilter by just shimming the two points that looked like they needed it.

I don't know if this makes sense but it worked.:confused2:

 

[mjncad]

It makes sense Chuck, and that's what I need to investigate further as the blatantly obvious solution I was hoping for didn't do the trick.

 

[Newfman]

Isn't that funny, I joined this forum awhile back, and finally got around to posting this very problem! Low and behold, the problem, and the fix, were the very first thread I came to!

I have a 4310, and somewhere around the same amount of hours (450ish) and the left side of my 430 is almost ready to literally fall off! I had asked a JD Dealer about this and they just scratched there head and said, Yo gotta bring it in, and for $75 per hour we will see what can be done.'

I didn't know that there was a shim kit. It may be easier than, locating the stock, finding someone to cut it to size, welding it on etc. etc. Is that just mild steel?

Nice job with the photos guys.

 

[beenthere]

Good thread.
I haven't noticed wear on my 430 FEL, but will surely make note that it can happen.

When new FEL's are setup, there are adjustments to make a snug fit. (to the length of the forward 430 stand that latches onto the front weight bar).

Are these adjustments made before the shims are put in place, or after? or not made at all? Seems they would be an integral part of "filling the gap" process.

If I were to weld shims on the loader stubs, my wing plow bracket wouldn't slide on.
But I don't notice any excessive wear to these stubs. (no paint after 12 years, and 500 hours).

 

[JD755]

Just for historical reference, the 70 Loader has a nice convenience for adjusting shims. They are an adjustable wedge. Slightly lift the loader out of the mounts, loosen the bolts, move the shim, tighten the bolts, and lower the loader back into the mount. Pretty slick.

 

[mjncad]

Isn't that funny, I joined this forum awhile back, and finally got around to posting this very problem! Low and behold, the problem, and the fix, were the very first thread I came to!

I have a 4310, and somewhere around the same amount of hours (450ish) and the left side of my 430 is almost ready to literally fall off! I had asked a JD Dealer about this and they just scratched there head and said, Yo gotta bring it in, and for $75 per hour we will see what can be done.'

I didn't know that there was a shim kit. It may be easier than, locating the stock, finding someone to cut it to size, welding it on etc. etc. Is that just mild steel?

Nice job with the photos guys.

Welcome. The shim kit on JD Parts is 'Item 17' in the picture. Apparently it's meant to be used at the front of the loader; but some guys weld them onto the frame stubs where the masts attach. For the ~$40 Deere charges for the kit, I can buy a lot of sheet metal scraps. I used mild steel, and I'm assuming the JD shims are too. Other guys run a weld bead where it needs shimming on the stub, then grind it down till it cures the problem.