Looking at buying a dozer.

   / Looking at buying a dozer. #41  
I have a neighbor that just about beg'd me to let him bring down his Cat 320 excavator or dozer, to take some trees out for me level some ground. I bought an old Cat E70B excavator and decided to do it myself. I view it as playing. Worth every penny to do it yourself... why should I let him do my playing for me... Renting is OK as long as you don't break something, then they will stick you for big buck repairs even if you are not 100% responsible. That is when things usually go bad, when you loan or borrow or rent something.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #42  
Provided you didn't break it, I thought the rental people brought out a new unit at no charge if their machine breaks down. You might even get some extra for the inconvenience.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #43  
Last time I looked, I could hire a machine and an operator for a job at the same price I could rent just the machine. If I'm truly playing, then rental is ok, but if I want the job done, I'll hire the machine and operator. Also, I check to see how much time I need to rent a tool for before it becomes cheaper to buy the tool - it's not very long at all.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #44  
I would seriously price out renting. Sometime the monthly rate is not bad at all. Around here monthly is about the same as a 2.5 week rental cost if paying weekly. The nice thing is you get a much larger and NEWER machine that will be far easier to run and normally in MUCH better condition. I do agree a track hoe is the way to go - even with my mini I can clear some big trees and do it fairly quickly. You start getting in to full size excavators you will clear your land in no time and be able to dig a nice big pit to burn the junk in and just fill it in when done.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #45  
In this stoney ground, the first time I hired a good sized excavator, and I was hooked. It could dig a hole you could put a school bus into, in a few short minutes, and good bye pile of rocks and stones. I only ever worry about the landscaping.

I saw this a while ago. Makes not a lick of sense to me.Stump Removal with a John Deere 45C Dozer - YouTube
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #46  
In this stoney ground, the first time I hired a good sized excavator, and I was hooked. It could dig a hole you could put a school bus into, in a few short minutes, and good bye pile of rocks and stones. I only ever worry about the landscaping.

I saw this a while ago. Makes not a lick of sense to me.Stump Removal with a John Deere 45C Dozer - YouTube


Yep - have to agree - why not just pop it out of the hole with the backhoe he used to dig all around it??? Maybe the backhoe was a BX25 type?
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #47  
A 3" pine is not even a formidable undertaking. Maybe he got confused. 8 inch pine, three foot trench.

I do love those little old Deeres, but the more I see them working, the more I think, What the heck would I do with that? They are so very limited. A tracked loader opens up all kinds of possibilites.

The arguments about getting an operator for free when hiring a machine as opposed to renting, should be kept in mind for those thinking of going into that business. Your machine might be earning you money, but YOU aint gettin paid!
 
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   / Looking at buying a dozer. #48  
Last time I looked, I could hire a machine and an operator for a job at the same price I could rent just the machine.
That reminded me of augering my sewer of some very fine roots every few years. I used the work machine twice until they no longer would let anyone borrow tools. I looked into a rental and it was cheaper (and easier on me) to hire a plumber. Another benefit was if the auger broke it was their problem to retrieve it.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #49  
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   / Looking at buying a dozer. #51  
Hey guys I recently acquired another 42 acres here in Texas. The land is about 38 acres of mesquite trees. The trees are anywhere from 1in to 24in in diameter, I am looking for a dozer to clear most of the 1-12in trees. Locally people want anywhere from $900 to $1200 a day for dozer work plus cost of transport. I have found a few dozers in my area for $8000-12000 range which I am interested in buying to clear the land and eventually resell. The two "dozers" that have caught my eye in the price range that arent beat to **** will loose tracks and covered in rust are a John Deere 350B with a 6-way blade and the other is a Komatsu 31s (Its a track loader with a dozer blade). The Komatsu has 25hp more than the JD and weighs about 4000 pounds more. Do you think either of these would be a good choice? Once again i know running a dozer can cost some big $$$ which is why im looking to only own it for a few months.

I've been on TBN for about 18 years. The common advice from most experienced dozer owners has always been:

A - the machines you're looking at are too small for the job you are contemplating.
B - the machines you're looking at break easily when you work them too hard on a job that is too big.
C - repair parts and labor are expensive, often wiping out any savings from buying a smaller used older dozer.
D - an excavator with a thumb or grapple is superior to a dozer for tree removal.
E - a dozer makes dirty wood. If you plan on sawing it up for firewood, lumber, etc, it's loaded with sand and dirt. If you burn it, you have a dirt pile to deal with when finished, so you have to doze that again as well. With an excavator, you can dig a hole and bury stuff quickly.
F - you can dig holes with an excavator.
G - an excavator is also a crane. you can lift things.
H - you can break concrete with attachments on an excavator, tear down a barn, load trucks and trailers....

Listen to those voices of experience. ;)
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #52  
Good summary Mossroad!
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #53  
Yes, good summary! Bulldozers are made for pushing dirt. I be seen them used for many other things, but there is always a better tool if you have it.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #54  
i always thought i'd like to own a dozer for our 20 acres. then the voice of reason kicked in after reading advice from experienced dozer owners, and i realized i'd have very little use for it in all reality. i rent a small excavator for weekend rates when i need them. the only way i'd buy one now is an antique for a play toy or parade duty, or if i came across something too good to pass up.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #55  
If you go the digger route look at getting a single or 2 leg ripper. The rippers let you tear the roots out with far less soil disturbance, and time cost compared to using a bucket.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #56  
I have the backhoe for my tractor, it's slow going but it digs them out. I wait till it rains then get what I can done, this sandy loam gets packed hard after about a foot.

If I did it again and didn't need the other functions of the tractor, I would have bought an excavator, hands down. As big as my truck would tow.
 
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Well i ended up getting a Cat D4E for free from my father in-law. Its his extra dozer he bought new in 1983. He got a new cab dozer about 2 years ago and let this one sit. I put a new starter in it and rebuilt the blade tilt cylinders because they were leaking. It only has 2155 hours on it and i have put 4 hours on it and its been amazing for clearing these thick mesquite trees i have here.sometimes it gets the rootball and sometime the tree snaps. I figure i will have to go back and spary resprouts but this has been very useful.
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #58  
Well i ended up getting a Cat D4E for free from my father in-law. Its his extra dozer he bought new in 1983.
That's the BEST way to get one! That way, you don't mind putting some money into it!

SR
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #59  
Congrats on the machine!!! Hope it serves you well!!!!
 
   / Looking at buying a dozer. #60  
Well i ended up getting a Cat D4E for free from my father in-law. Its his extra dozer he bought new in 1983. He got a new cab dozer about 2 years ago and let this one sit. I put a new starter in it and rebuilt the blade tilt cylinders because they were leaking. It only has 2155 hours on it and i have put 4 hours on it and its been amazing for clearing these thick mesquite trees i have here.sometimes it gets the rootball and sometime the tree snaps. I figure i will have to go back and spary resprouts but this has been very useful.

Nice! Great price, too! :thumbsup:
 

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