Looking at Bad Boy Tractors, thoughts?

[jyoutz]

She was talking about Kubota. Besides resale value means nothing about having a good tractor. If it is good, you are not selling. It is just another marketing ploy to get suckers to pay more up front.

There are two different issues in this discussion: which has the highest resale value, and durability. They may or may not be the same.

 

[Fixastuff]

Newsflash: if you bought a Kubota or Deere you're a sucker! Lol.

 

[D2Cat]

Newsflash: if you bought a Kubota or Deere you're a sucker! Lol.

By your definition I'm a sucker! Do you feel better now? I'm sure there are other brands that make buyers suckers also, isn't there like Ford, Case, Cat...... even Massey.

 

[two_bit_score]

Newsflash: if you bought a Kubota or Deere you're a sucker! Lol.

There is one born every minute. haha hah!

This thread has gone into absurdity.

 

[Fixastuff]

By your definition I'm a sucker! Do you feel better now? I'm sure there are other brands that make buyers suckers also, isn't there like Ford, Case, Cat...... even Massey.

I don't think that lol. Just reiterating what an earlier poster said because I thought it was funny. I guess saying that makes a person feel better about their purchase.

 

[jezreel]

Wow. . . I would love to see one of these 25+ page threads be turned into a SitCom. . . . You could get 30 mins out of this thread EASY.

Door Opens. . .

Jerry: Helloooo NEWman. . .

Newman: Helloooo JERRY. . . Hey. . . I am currently looking for my first compact tractor to do some work around my house and a couple of my rentals. I really like the Bad Boy tractor looks and functionality for the price! What does everyone think about these new BadBoy Tractors?

Jerry: Have ya ever noticed how some folks will drive 100 miles to buy a tractor, and then expect the Local Shop to do warranty work?

Kramer: Well that’s just Reee-Diculous! ! !

George: I don’t know what you’re crying about, I bought an Orange tractor and don’t have any problems. Everybody knows Orange is the Best.

Elaine: YEAH. . . Well, just try and take an Orange tractor to a Green dealer and see what kind of reception you’ll get.

Jerry: Hmmmmm. . . What’s up with those people buying Orange and Green tractors anyway? Don’t they know the Red ones cost less and have more amenities?

 

[rScotty]

Where did that list come from? I'm not believing most of it, take the 7230 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7230. Like many other models, they were made in Germany, unless I'm missing something?

Do a bing.com search on some of those listed and see where they were made, like the 7230.

SR

I had the same question. It's too easy these days to make up a list and then post it to "prove" any point a person wants.
TBN has followed the tractor industry for a long time and this new Deere/Kunje connections seems too much of a stretch.
At least it needs a whole lot better proof than one list without any reference.

 

[rScotty]

There are two different issues in this discussion: which has the highest resale value, and durability. They may or may not be the same.

I agree. Selling price and durabiity are different issues - although not everyone would feel the same.

For example, TBNer Torvy comes from an economic background and always makes the point that purchase price is a function of economics and advertising. As in:
(price) "....is just another marketing ploy to get suckers to pay more up front."

My background is in design and manufacturing rather than sales, so I see increasing the durability of a product as usually costing more to make which then increases the final price to the consumer.

We don't have to both be right or wrong. I can be right on one company and he can be right on another. There are companies who tend more one way than the other. It comes down to company philosophy - and that shouldn't be too hard to figure out by looking at their history.

rScotty

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I had the same question. It's too easy these days to make up a list and then post it to "prove" any point a person wants.
TBN has followed the tractor industry for a long time and this new Deere/Kunje connections seems too much of a stretch.
At least it needs a whole lot better proof than one list without any reference.

My buddy has been to the factory in Germany where he saw them making some of the models on that list.

SR

 

[DGZRT]

It's Wiki Leaks all over again

Kukje JD 5320

The Kukje-John Deere 5320 tractor is built/assembled in South Korea by Kukje under license from John Deere. It is based on the John Deere 5320 tractor. It features a 65 hp (48 kW) engine. For brand history, see Kukje. Kukje website

tractors.fandom.com

scroll down the page for a full list .


Sorry , I see now Torvy posted a link .

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I think this is ending up being like the green Zetors, tractors painted green for third world countries, NOT the USA. SR

 

[DaBear3428]

Bakoj, I'm just giving you an opinion of a dealer that truly cares about the industry as a whole. I've been faced with some local customers that have bought out of state because I could not get inventory, that truly would have bought a tractor from me & have apologized about doing so. These customers I feel warrant me taking care of them. Also the people that move to the area from another area or state. I will and do take care of them, They want to build a relationship.
The other thing we as existing dealers were faced with this year was new dealer start ups . They automatically get tractors before existing dealers that have represented their products. This cost me and other dealers sales this year. They also were shipping tractors to dealers that already had inventory. The fair and reasonable thing was to equally split tractor deliveries across the board and due to lack of product new dealers should have been put on hold. I've been on the top Michigan Kioti sales for the last 3 years and did find out today that I have been beat, Kinda disappointing. Good thing that I signed on with Branson in 2020 , I sold 77 Bransons this year and missed out on at least 50 Kioti sales. Just feel like I'm being kicked when I'm on the ground. Thanks for giving a care about the dealer network and understanding what most good dealers go thru.

good information and thanks for posting it (all of your previous posts included), personally when buying a large ticket item i do my research including what i can get it for someplace else. Then I try to make a deal with my local dealer, tell him i have been shopping around and know what i want and that i do not expect him to match the lowest price but that i am aware of the lowest price. there is value to be found in a local dealer that is dependable but i like to know what i'm paying for the service.

 

[Yander]

These off brands have no dealers near us, and I don’t mind spending more for the top brand since I get all that back and probably more on a resale

Not sure what you mean by "Top" brand. Do you mean most popular mainstream brand (i.e. JD & Kubota)? So something to consider, when buying a Top Brand of anything. If you are a business and you do this, there is in economics what they call the "opportunity cost" (usually associated with stock trading but applies in general) in using your extra money to buy something that is more expensive.

For example, say you pay an extra $4k for a tractor than you could have bought an equivalently capable tractor for. That $4k is a lost opportunity to use it elsewhere in your business etc. What did that cost you to spend that extra money on the tractor, vs an implement(s) you could use to make more money.

Just something to consider. Again, depends upon the person, the reason for the purchase etc.

 

[Yander]

Newsflash: if you bought a Kubota or Deere you're a sucker! Lol.

This comment is as off base as someone who says you should only buy a Kubota or a Deere, IMO! There are no absolute rights or wrongs in selecting your brand of tractor. There is only fit for your purposes and desires. Only the purchaser can know this.

 

[Fixastuff]

This comment is as off base as someone who says you should only buy a Kubota or a Deere, IMO! There are no absolute rights or wrongs in selecting your brand of tractor. There is only fit for your purposes and desires. Only the purchaser can know this.

Did you not read my reply to the earlier poster about this?

 

[Yander]

Did you not read my reply to the earlier poster about this?

Not until after I posted my reply. How is a person supposed to know you didn't mean what you said?

 

[Fixastuff]

Not until after I posted my reply. How is a person supposed to know you didn't mean what you said?

I thought they would read the posts in order get to mine then understand and laugh. I guess I should added a lol or something.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I think this is ending up being like the green Zetors, tractors painted green for third world countries, NOT the USA. SR

Just throwing it out there; both by modern use and classical definition, South Korea is a first-world nation.

 

[Torvy]

If you are a business and you do this, there is in economics what they call the "opportunity cost" (usually associated with stock trading but applies in general)

Just want to clarify this good point. For those who don't know I teach economics at HS level.

Opportunity cost is anything you forgo in order to make a decision you make. It does not even have to be financial. The opportunity cost of typing out this post is whatever I could otherwise have been doing.

For the people who value the large network and brand recognition of the JD and Kubota lines, the opportunity cost of those choices would be money to buy implements or vacations or whatever choices they otherwise could have made by buying a less expensive brand.

For the people who buy more on price, the opportunity cost is the bigger network and name recognition or the potential risk of the brand going away.

We all weigh those choices and make the best one we can given our own tolerance for the risk and ability to analyze that risk.

My issue is when people imply or state that the best choice for everyone is to choose one way or another.

 

[BigSpur]

Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of bad boy tractors? Any owners?