Looking at Bad Boy Tractors, thoughts?

[two_bit_score]

I think one thing is now perfectly clear: @coobie and @BuddsAllTractor don’t want to do business with each other.

And they both have that right.

 

[DGZRT]

The OP should really read this whole thread. It does give some useful information even though most of it turned into a bitacch session .
I can say I love my Branson 2515H
I love my dealer and did research on them before buying .
I had a small warranty claim and it was fixed in short order and they picked up and delivered my Tractor.
I take what most people say with a grain of salt on all forums . It's funny how brand loyal people are but you can learn something from all of them.
Because I don't farm. I look at my purchase as I would any tool that I need and Branson won the fight. It was not my first or second choice but in the end my Dealer won me over and yes they sell Bad boy mowers
Sears has been selling rebranded or made to order products for years and it seemed if you took care of them they lasted .
Do your research before buying and then do your maintenance and you will have very few problems .
The best thing is Branson / Bad Boy tractors are simple and built right even if the dealer disappears you can still find a Diesel Mechanic to fix it .

 

[K5lwq]

The OP has not been back since January 3rd. Hopefully he got a good tractor that is serving him well.

 

[Williy]

sd455dan​

You didn't say anything about TRACTORS
just mowers etc.

When somebody says KOITI I yell get your
guns!!!!!!

No Cents of humor??????

I purchased a Yanmar Tractor because Yanmar
made tractors for JD for over 20 years and over 75
different brands of tractors have Yanmar engines
3 year bumper to bumper warranty and 10 year
drive train warranty!
Also you can check as Yanmar diesel engines are
being used by many many companies

willy

 

[sd455dan]

sd455dan​

You didn't say anything about TRACTORS
just mowers etc.

When somebody says KOITI I yell get your
guns!!!!!!

No Cents of humor??????

I purchased a Yanmar Tractor because Yanmar
made tractors for JD for over 20 years and over 75
different brands of tractors have Yanmar engines
3 year bumper to bumper warranty and 10 year
drive train warranty!
Also you can check as Yanmar diesel engines are
being used by many many companies

willy

edited

Well Wiily I remember when my FILs YANMAR 2310D stripped out both sides of its front axle gears... and also needed new bearings, bushings because they were also shot.

Didn't get involved when the steering gear failed which is mounted in the transmission housing and was a fair amount of work to repair.

I also got the help call when it had a non related problem of the dealer not telling him they filled his R1 AG tires with water which froze and ruined them.
So my chinese Rhino drove the 2 miles and did the plowing.

Also the call to help remove a dead moose because my Grappled FEL would lift it and back up a very steep steep hill and carry it to disposal when the Yanmar wouldn't. A new cabbed tractor will need to lift large square bales (1300-1500lb) to three high for stacking as well.

In it's defense, That Yanmar 2310D has done a LOT of Mowing and snow blowing and that Power Shift is NICE .

Yanmar may build a Cabbed tractor in a size I need. But have not looked at their bigger models lately.
I was put off a bit when I looked at the rear axle housing and the bull gear to outer axle housing design on the model I looked at back a few years.

Bad Boy is out for me because they don't carry the larger more powerful Kukje/Branson versions.



The Yanmar engine has been Bullitt proof as has the power shift transmission.

My nephew has a Deere 3025e and it has been reliable and also has a ten year warranty, but since almost new has had a pulsating vibration in the hydraulic system that has slowly been getting worse.

Deere dealer has failed to figure it out and told him run it until it FAILS. Then we will fix under the 10 year warranty

They are Great tractors imo.
Every tractor will probably need Something during multi decade Use.

That does not mean other companies cant build a great tractor as well.

I have a thing about weight. I like it in a tractor, I like a thick spine of the transmission housing as well Plus a really heavy duty rear axle housing and 3 point.
Lots of bracing to and don't care what it LOOKs like, as long as it is strong. I am contemplating a cabbed tractor. Don't care if it is new.

A Deere 4066 or a bit bigger would sure be nice, but now that I bought the new 87 inch wide inverted snow blower with a large 27 x 10 fan the tractor will HAVE to have the power and weight to run it as well as my 30 year Old chinese Shanghai tractor. and to get the weight i would be in something like an M7060 Kubota. Decisions Decisions Hopefully the diesel heater i ordered will work well enough along with a heated coat and electric seat warmer. I can't Justify spending $60K+ for a new cabbed Yanmar, Kubota, or Deere.

Now if a Nice used 5520C/H or 5220C/H Branson or Kioti DK 55 were to show up at a Good Price locally Or...

Back to Bad Boy tractors

IMO as long as Branson/TYM dealers will support sales of parts and repair work a buyer is likely fine, Hopefully the Bad Boy arrangement will be LONG term

But i do remember TYM and Cabela's and RKs support of their TYM versions.

 

[jyoutz]

sd455dan​

You didn't say anything about TRACTORS
just mowers etc.

When somebody says KOITI I yell get your
guns!!!!!!

No Cents of humor??????

I purchased a Yanmar Tractor because Yanmar
made tractors for JD for over 20 years and over 75
different brands of tractors have Yanmar engines
3 year bumper to bumper warranty and 10 year
drive train warranty!
Also you can check as Yanmar diesel engines are
being used by many many companies

willy

They are great tractors but I have never seen a dealership.

 

[sd455dan]

They are great tractors but I have never seen a dealership.

Yanmar, Kioti, Branson, or Bad Boy?

 

[jyoutz]

Yanmar, Kioti, Branson, or Bad Boy?

Was referring to Willie’s post about yanmar. But I’ve also never seen a bad boy dealer. I’ve seen a zero turn bad boy at TSC, but never a tractor or dealership.

 

[bobmisi]

The green tractors have been made by Yanmar, not Kukje.

Some have . AND some have been made by Kukje.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Some have . AND some have been made by Kukje.

What models were made by Kukje?

SR

 

[sd455dan]

Was referring to Willie’s post about yanmar. But I’ve also never seen a bad boy dealer. I’ve seen a zero turn bad boy at TSC, but never a tractor or dealership.

We have a Yanmar /LS dealer, but they carry and this is just from what I saw on the lot, a majority of LS by far

What models were made by Kukje?

SR

46 -150 HP JD's
30 some models over the years?

None were US bound that I could find.

But Deere Obviously had no issues with having Kukje building tractors for other markets.
if you scan down to the John Deere/Kukje models there were a LOT

I do wonder how accurate Fandom is in the listings, would take it with a grain of salt.

Kukje

Kukje Machinery is a South Korean company which manufactures tractors, combine harvesters and other equipment under the Kukje brand. It is a subsidiary of Tong Yang Moolsan, another South Korean agricultural manufacturer. Until 2016, it was a subsidiary of Dongkuk Steel, a large conglomerate...

tractors.fandom.com

 

[Torvy]

What models were made by Kukje?

SR

Kukje-John Deere Tractor Models
Model Year(s) Produced Horsepower Engine Type Misc Notes Photo
1550K 46 hp (34 kW) John Deere 1550
1650K 51 hp (38 kW) John Deere 1650 Kukje JD 1650K MFWD-1994.jpg
1750 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750
1750CX 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750 Kukje JD 1750 CX MFWD-1994.jpg
1750K 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750
2450K 74 hp (55 kW) John Deere 2450
2650K 82 hp (61 kW) John Deere 2650
2850K 90 hp (67 kW) John Deere 2850 Kukje JD 2850K MFWD.jpg
3350K 106 hp (79 kW) John Deere 3350
5085M 2010- 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5085M Kukje JD 5085M MFWD-2010.jpg
5095M 2010- 95 hp (71 kW) John Deere 5095M
5300 56 hp (42 kW) John Deere 5300
5310 63 hp (47 kW) John Deere 5310
5320 65 hp (48 kW) John Deere 5320 Kukje JD 5320 MFWD.jpg
5325 66 hp (49 kW) John Deere 5325
5400 68 hp (51 kW) John Deere 5400 Kukje JD 5400 MFWD-1996.jpg
5410 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 5410
5420 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 5420
5425 77 hp (57 kW) John Deere 5425
5510 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5510
5520 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5520 Kukje JD 5520 MFWD-2004.jpg
5525 88 hp (66 kW) John Deere 5525
6100 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 6100
6120 80 hp (60 kW) John Deere 6120
6200 93 hp (69 kW) John Deere 6200
6220 90 hp (67 kW) John Deere 6220
6230 95 hp (71 kW) John Deere 6230
6320 100 hp (75 kW) John Deere 6320
6330 105 hp (78 kW) John Deere 6330
6400 106 hp (79 kW) John Deere 6400
6415 105 hp (78 kW) John Deere 6415
6430 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6430
6520 110 hp (82 kW) John Deere 6520
6610 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6610
6615 120 hp (89 kW) John Deere 6615
6620 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 6620
6630 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 6630
6800 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6800
6810 John Deere 6810
6820 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 6820
6830PR 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 6830
6920S 150 hp (110 kW) John Deere 6920
6930PR 150 hp (110 kW) John Deere 6930
7130 120 hp (89 kW) John Deere 7130
7220 110 hp (82 kW) John Deere 7220
7230 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7230
7320 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 7320
7330 155 hp (116 kW) John Deere 7330
7420 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 7420
7515 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7515
7810 John Deere 7810

Kukje

Kukje Machinery is a South Korean company which manufactures tractors, combine harvesters and other equipment under the Kukje brand. It is a subsidiary of Tong Yang Moolsan, another South Korean agricultural manufacturer. Until 2016, it was a subsidiary of Dongkuk Steel, a large conglomerate...

tractors.fandom.com

 

[Torvy]

Was referring to Willie’s post about yanmar. But I’ve also never seen a bad boy dealer. I’ve seen a zero turn bad boy at TSC, but never a tractor or dealership.

I've seen a Bad Boy Tractor dealer off of I35 near OKC, IIRC.

Nearest ones to you are Wichita Falls, TX and Sublette,KS.

Locate Your Local Bad Boy Dealer

Find The Dealer That Best Suits Your Needs. Offering a premium range of zero turn lawn mowers, tractors, tools and off-road UTVs from Bad Boy Mowers.

badboymowers.com

Yanmar has dealers in Clovis and Alamogordo.

 

[cathy liebchen]

These off brands have no dealers near us, and I don’t mind spending more for the top brand since I get all that back and probably more on a resale

 

[jyoutz]

I've seen a Bad Boy Tractor dealer off of I35 near OKC, IIRC.

Nearest ones to you are Wichita Falls, TX and Sublette,KS.

Locate Your Local Bad Boy Dealer

Find The Dealer That Best Suits Your Needs. Offering a premium range of zero turn lawn mowers, tractors, tools and off-road UTVs from Bad Boy Mowers.

badboymowers.com

Yanmar has dealers in Clovis and Alamogordo.

Interesting. Thanks Torvy.

 

[Torvy]

These off brands have no dealers near us, and I don’t mind spending more for the top brand since I get all that back and probably more on a resale

You do realize that a few years ago, Kubota was an "off brand" in the US. Way back when, John Deere was just a company that made plows.

If tractors are that good, resale is a pointless stat. Most of the reason brands have higher resale is the higher initial price...and inflation.

As far as not having a dealership near you, that may say more about where you live than the brand. I'm personally a big fan of the smaller states like Alabama, but people on the coasts may think Alabama is an "off-brand".

Please get some help off of that high horse before you fall and look silly.

 

[two_bit_score]

You do realize that a few years ago, Kubota was an "off brand" in the US. Way back when, John Deere was just a company that made plows.

If tractors are that good, resale is a pointless stat. Most of the reason brands have higher resale is the higher initial price...and inflation.

As far as not having a dealership near you, that may say more about where you live than the brand. I'm personally a big fan of the smaller states like Alabama, but people on the coasts may think Alabama is an "off-brand".

Please get some help off of that high horse before you fall and look silly.

She is actually on the right track. JD has a reputation of holding re-sale value. Regardless of why it does, it does.

 

[Torvy]

She is actually on the right track. JD has a reputation of holding re-sale value. Regardless of why it does, it does.

She was talking about Kubota. Besides resale value means nothing about having a good tractor. If it is good, you are not selling. It is just another marketing ploy to get suckers to pay more up front.

 

[Yander]

One of the more entertaining and informative threads I've read through on TBN. I learned a lot about dealer and mechanic perspectives from the dealers/former dealers/mechanics. It will help me when dealing with some of them in the future.

Irony, the OP has 4 posts, probably all in this thread and I'm quite sure he/she probably has no tractor.

The thing you gotta love about TBN, all the shade that gets flung around on this site with opposing views/opinions and at the EOTD we would all help each other out if we were next door neighbors and probably be good friends.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Kukje-John Deere Tractor Models
Model Year(s) Produced Horsepower Engine Type Misc Notes Photo
1550K 46 hp (34 kW) John Deere 1550
1650K 51 hp (38 kW) John Deere 1650 Kukje JD 1650K MFWD-1994.jpg
1750 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750
1750CX 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750 Kukje JD 1750 CX MFWD-1994.jpg
1750K 53 hp (40 kW) John Deere 1750
2450K 74 hp (55 kW) John Deere 2450
2650K 82 hp (61 kW) John Deere 2650
2850K 90 hp (67 kW) John Deere 2850 Kukje JD 2850K MFWD.jpg
3350K 106 hp (79 kW) John Deere 3350
5085M 2010- 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5085M Kukje JD 5085M MFWD-2010.jpg
5095M 2010- 95 hp (71 kW) John Deere 5095M
5300 56 hp (42 kW) John Deere 5300
5310 63 hp (47 kW) John Deere 5310
5320 65 hp (48 kW) John Deere 5320 Kukje JD 5320 MFWD.jpg
5325 66 hp (49 kW) John Deere 5325
5400 68 hp (51 kW) John Deere 5400 Kukje JD 5400 MFWD-1996.jpg
5410 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 5410
5420 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 5420
5425 77 hp (57 kW) John Deere 5425
5510 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5510
5520 85 hp (63 kW) John Deere 5520 Kukje JD 5520 MFWD-2004.jpg
5525 88 hp (66 kW) John Deere 5525
6100 75 hp (56 kW) John Deere 6100
6120 80 hp (60 kW) John Deere 6120
6200 93 hp (69 kW) John Deere 6200
6220 90 hp (67 kW) John Deere 6220
6230 95 hp (71 kW) John Deere 6230
6320 100 hp (75 kW) John Deere 6320
6330 105 hp (78 kW) John Deere 6330
6400 106 hp (79 kW) John Deere 6400
6415 105 hp (78 kW) John Deere 6415
6430 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6430
6520 110 hp (82 kW) John Deere 6520
6610 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6610
6615 120 hp (89 kW) John Deere 6615
6620 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 6620
6630 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 6630
6800 115 hp (86 kW) John Deere 6800
6810 John Deere 6810
6820 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 6820
6830PR 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 6830
6920S 150 hp (110 kW) John Deere 6920
6930PR 150 hp (110 kW) John Deere 6930
7130 120 hp (89 kW) John Deere 7130
7220 110 hp (82 kW) John Deere 7220
7230 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7230
7320 125 hp (93 kW) John Deere 7320
7330 155 hp (116 kW) John Deere 7330
7420 135 hp (101 kW) John Deere 7420
7515 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7515
7810 John Deere 7810

Kukje

Kukje Machinery is a South Korean company which manufactures tractors, combine harvesters and other equipment under the Kukje brand. It is a subsidiary of Tong Yang Moolsan, another South Korean agricultural manufacturer. Until 2016, it was a subsidiary of Dongkuk Steel, a large conglomerate...

tractors.fandom.com

Where did that list come from? I'm not believing most of it, take the 7230 130 hp (97 kW) John Deere 7230. Like many other models, they were made in Germany, unless I'm missing something?

Do a bing.com search on some of those listed and see where they were made, like the 7230.

SR