Log splitter rehab...

   / Log splitter rehab... #21  
While re-doing the plumbing and valve, I think I would seriously think of putting on a hydraulic oil filter in the line also.:)
The Gotcha Man
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #22  
xlr82v2 said:
Wayne County Hose,

So what are you going to do with your free hand while you're waiting those agonizing seconds for the wedge to come up to the log? What better things does it have to do? It can't be that "hard" to hold the lever for that little bit... Or is it just a little bit of laziness?

A detent on the push stroke is suicidal at worst and foolhardy at best. Would you trust your healthy hands to the faith in that detent kicking out at the "proper" time?

Come on man, get your head on straight. I know that you're smarter than this, at least I hope you are... maybe not?

Sorry to be so harsh, but sometimes it takes a 2x4 between the eyes to get the mule's attention...

In my life, I've split a LOT of wood with a splitter, and I've pinched my fingers once with my splitter... and to this day I don't know exactly how it happened or why I had my fingers back there. I know for sure it scared the **** out of me. And, I thank God that I had the presence of mind to let go of that lever, and THANK GOD it didn't have a detent. Don't believe for a second that you'll NEVER have your fingers in the wrong place... it happens, believe me. And it only takes one time. I got lucky. :eek:


I too have split cord after cord of wood. Do I need a wake up call? Only if I'm staying at a Holiday Inn.

Sorry dude, you have the nerve to call me "foolhardy at best?" I'm not the one that caught my hand between the wedge and the wood. I NEVER place my hand between the wedge and the wood. I always grab the wood by the bark, never by the ends.

What am I going to do with my free hand? Well, throw what I just split on the wagon, stage the other half of the big piece I just split, stage another piece to be split, etc. What I'm not going to do is sit there with my hand between the wedge and the wood waiting for something to happen.

As far as laziness is concerned, it is lazy to sit there and watch something happen when you could be doing something else. So, you tell me who is lazy.
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #23  
shaley said:
Wayne County Hose. Maybe you suffer from "small wedge syndrome" if you feel the need for a double detent valve. I'd try a modified wedge before a double detent valve. I cut all my wood the same length and installed a wedge with a faster taper. Oak wood splits in about 3" of travel and then I hit the retract so it only takes about 3-1/2" of stroke for a cycle.
The screen name "Lefty" may still be available:)

Most of my wood is hickory and curly maple, both of which need to be run the full stroke to split. And then sometimes I have to get the hatchet out to finish the split. If my wood split as easier as yours, I would do it by hand.
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #24  
Wayne County Hose said:
I too have split cord after cord of wood. Do I need a wake up call? Only if I'm staying at a Holiday Inn.

Sorry dude, you have the nerve to call me "foolhardy at best?" I'm not the one that caught my hand between the wedge and the wood. I NEVER place my hand between the wedge and the wood. I always grab the wood by the bark, never by the ends.

What am I going to do with my free hand? Well, throw what I just split on the wagon, stage the other half of the big piece I just split, stage another piece to be split, etc. What I'm not going to do is sit there with my hand between the wedge and the wood waiting for something to happen.

As far as laziness is concerned, it is lazy to sit there and watch something happen when you could be doing something else. So, you tell me who is lazy.
Well, it's your fingers, your livelyhood... and you're obviously the superior man here I suppose, so you'll NEVER have an accident. I learned a long time ago to never say never, maybe you haven't lived long enough to learn that yet.

Have at it...:rolleyes: I tried... so have others on this forum.

I just hope you don't have the same insurance company as I do so my premiums won't go toward repairing the results of your bad judgement.

Have a great day! ;)
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #25  
I got really tired of piston maintainence and converted my log spitter from a 5hp B & S to a 2hp electric. It was a commercial unit from Agway I think, I got it used. Added a filter , behind the motor, old cylinder leaked and new seal did not fix it. New cylinder. All the parts are from NH.
Swapped out the valve for a log spitter valve with detented return. I had a pervious one with detent both ways but it made me nervous. Accidents are not planned and they happen faster than you know.
It splits every single thing I have ever put in it up to 2' diameter. Have to be smart around the big ones and work the edges a bit. I put a thumb on my FEL bucket to lift in the big ones but rolling them up works better with a cant hook. What would really make it work is a shelf on each side , easier to get the big ones back for resplit. Also wings 1/2 way back on the wedge really works well. It is the two stage pump that makes this all work.
Motor is 220 . 2hp 3600 rpm.
Trade off is I take it all to the wood shed before I split it. But all my wood is on my property.
 

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Well! Didn't mean for good people to start chopping at each other on this!
Back to this log splitter issue...The lines are steel but have some sort of copper colored paint on them. I guess it did work well for many years. And it does have a filter! Never saw one like this before, as it has a dial indicator on the outside showing when it's cleaning time!! The cylinder base was swapped out to a 2" thick steel plate. It has MANY holes in it! No idea what it was originally used for, but it works well for this application. Much of the plumbing goes to this plate. It's a very heavy beast and VERY well balanced.
I agree with the idea of having wings straddling the cylinder/wedge guide. Also some wing extensions past the wedge is a must. Wish I had an extra cylinder to work a wing lift. Now THAT'S the ticket! Maybe in the future I can fab one up.
By the way, I just noticed I posted this in a topic right above the more appropriate hydraulic one. If the moderators would care to move it, that would be fine....
Thanks for the suggestions and help. WIll take it all into consideration....
 
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6Sunset6...Don't know how you can stand it. No fumes, no noise, no rope starting..... what a dumb machine. And yes, I DO think that's a great idea! Am impressed that a 2 hp electric can perform as well as a larger hp gas engine. Neat and clean job, 6Sunset6. Thanks for those pics, too.
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #28  
Mrcaptainbob,

That splitter looks old, but if we chucked everything that was old, we wouldn't need Social Security. Give it a shot and see waht happens, if something goes wrong and you need some help, let us know.
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #29  
mrcaptainbob said:
Well! Didn't mean for good people to start chopping at each other on this!
Back to this log splitter issue...The lines are steel but have some sort of copper colored paint on them. I guess it did work well for many years. And it does have a filter! Never saw one like this before, as it has a dial indicator on the outside showing when it's cleaning time!! The cylinder base was swapped out to a 2" thick steel plate. It has MANY holes in it! No idea what it was originally used for, but it works well for this application. Much of the plumbing goes to this plate. It's a very heavy beast and VERY well balanced.
I agree with the idea of having wings straddling the cylinder/wedge guide. Also some wing extensions past the wedge is a must. Wish I had an extra cylinder to work a wing lift. Now THAT'S the ticket! Maybe in the future I can fab one up.
By the way, I just noticed I posted this in a topic right above the more appropriate hydraulic one. If the moderators would care to move it, that would be fine....
Thanks for the suggestions and help. WIll take it all into consideration....

Your splitter looks to be very well built. With a little maintenance and upgrading I think it will give you years of service.

In regards to the wing issue. When I built mine I wanted a platform to catch the split wood. Also wanted some sort of wings along the beam to make it easier to hold a large log on the splitter. I made mine flat with the beam and still catch the table occassionally with a very big log so I'm glad I didn't raise the wings or angle the platform. My platform is removeable and uses square tubing of two different sizes so you simply pick the platform and wings up in one piece and they come off. My platform could be a little larger but I didn't want it to interfere with splitting from either side. Here's a couple pics for ideas. If you look at the last one you can see that if I had angle my platform or built my wings raised above the beam I would have had trouble with this log.
 

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   / Log splitter rehab... #30  
ummm That is exactly what I need wouldn't have a spare would you?
This winter work shop job .
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #31  
Captain Bob, I am with you and Wayne County Hose on the double detent valve. The main objectors didn't bother to understand what Wayne County said about his use of the double detent: he doesn't engage the valve while his hand is still on the log (at least I don't, and I can't imagine he does). He does so after he has placed the log on the beam and removed his hand.

Seems a bit rude to use words like "laziness, suicidal, foolhardy, mule, etc." just because someone is not doing something your way, particularly when you don't take time to understand exactly what they are saying. And it sure discourages meaningful exchanges of information.

Defective made the only valid objection: that you don't have a hand on the valve when it first contacts the wood so you can stop it if something happens. I have never had anything like that happen, but I suppose it could. Of course, if you adjust the detent pressure low enough the valve will kick out before it puts much pressure on the wood.

By the way Captain Bob, that machine may be home made, but someone sure took a lot of time to plan it and build it. The way the reservoir fits into the beam, the trailer axles, and the smooth curves in all that steel tubing show real craftsmanship. And I have never seen rollers on the ram like that. If it were mine I would find an air cleaner for that old Briggs and not change another thing as long as it worked. Heck, I would not even paint it.

Best of luck with your project.
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #32  
OK, you guys are trolling for a rebuttal, so here you go;). My wife says I love to argue, and she's right I suppose.:)

I completely understand why WCH is wanting to put the double detent on his splitter. I haven't seen his machine, and I don't really understand how he can do all that extra stuff just by putting a detent on the push stroke on his splitter, unless he has a cycle time that you can measure with a calendar. On my machine, it's fast enough that there is no way you would have all that time to do everything that he says he could do with the detent that he says he can't do without it. In my mind's eye, from what he says he could do extra, I'm seeing a somewhat comical scene of nothing but arses & elbows, a blur of a man, and firewood of all sizes flying in every direction. I don't really think that's accurate, based on all the different log splitters that I've ever worked with. But, I can see where a detent on the push stroke might have some advantage in some situations.

What you guys that are in support of him doing this don't bother to understand is that everything does not go according to plan every single time. Accidents happen, usually when you least expect it. The human machine is not very good at doing something exactly the same way, every single time, over and over and over and over. My case in point-- I pinched my fingers between the log and the backstop on my splitter... somehow, I let my fingers drape over the back end of the log instead of over the side where they should have been. I didn't even notice it until I felt the pressure on my fingers... I had my attention focused on where I wanted the wedge to enter the log so I could get the log split where I wanted it. I had my left hand holding the log in position, my right hand on the control lever... and my left fingertips got pinched... Like I said earlier, it scared the hades out of me... because I, like WCH, thought that I ALWAYS had my hand on top of the log (which I did... but not my fingertips this one time) and I thought I NEVER would allow my fingers to get back there while splitting... but it happened anyway. Luckily, I had the presence of mind to let go of the lever fast enough that I wasn't injured... just sore. If there was a detent that I would have had to defeat in that situation, it would have been much worse. Was it a stupid thing to have happen? Absolutely. I should have been paying closer attention to my other hand. But, when you've been splitting wood all day long, and you're feeling really comfortable with the machine, and possibly getting a little tired, complacency can and will creep in at some point, opening the door for something to happen. And it can happen to ANYBODY... we're all HUMAN. If you think it can't happen to you, you are truly naive. And I truly don't want anything bad to happen to good people like WCH. I've read a lot of WCH's posts, I've gained a lot of respect for him. I was quite shocked to read that he was considering doing this... maybe that's why I worded my original post on this matter so strongly.

So, if you guys want to call me rude for having the nerve to call a spade a spade when someone obviously isn't seeing the big picture in his plan to make a very, very unsafe modification to his machine, then so be it. You're not hurting my feelings any, you're just allowing Darwin to do his work. It's WCH and his wife and kids that will bear the big burden if something unfortunate were to happen. What a shame that would be, especially when other people warned him previously that it was not a good idea.

Farmerford, I'm not doing sitting here typing all this because he's not doing it "my way". There's no challenge being made to anyone's manhood or anything like that, so there's really no reason that I can see for anyone to get their hackles up. You guys can do whatever you want however you want to do it... myself and everyone else that advises against it here are powerless to stop you. All we can do is try to get you to see the light. Whether you choose to see it or not us totally up to you, and the responsibility for your actions fall solely on you as well. All I can do is try.

So, call me rude, call me whatever you want. But don't say I don't care about you or what happens to you.

All I ask is that you not let your ego get in the way of your better judgement.

Peace, all. I'm not looking to make any enemies here... just trying to keep friends together (pun intended):).

So, Be safe, have a good evening, and enjoy the rain that we're finally getting (if you're as dry as we are here, and you're finally getting some rain).
 
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   / Log splitter rehab...
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#33  
YEs, that machine is old and very well built. It's problems are the engine and the controls. The engine smokes very badly and goes through quarts of oil during a short sessu=ion. As for the valving, it has two 'devices', one top and one bottom. THe bottom one is activated by a plate on the ram head so that, on return, the said plate makes contact with this 'device. The upper one is the levered handle one that controls the ram. It is a detent valve and will kick off when the lower valve is contacted by the ram as previously stated. To get these to work: while holding the lever in the forward position to split the log, the ram must be manually (read prybar here...) started to relieve it's contact with the lower 'device'. (So far two hands are taken up with these controls leaving knees to balance the log.) Not a fun situation. Pretty much that's all that has to get changed out. Engine and controls. THis is a beasty toy...uh--tool, but needs some updating. Paint wise....not concerned about it being a show piece. THe carrier, by the way, is an I-beam trolley configured for this purpose. I too thought it was a great idea.
 
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#34  
Just now looked at your pics, Ovrszd. Looks quite sturdy and very clean. Also a greta job matching it to the tractor color. Very nice. THis will NEVER be to that level of sharpness!
 
   / Log splitter rehab... #35  
xlr82v2 said:
I'm seeing a somewhat comical scene of nothing but arses & elbows, a blur of a man, and firewood of all sizes flying in every direction.
That is accurate, I'm 5' 7" 155lbs of energy. I'm 41 and outwork kids half my age routinely. I absolutely love physical labor. If you knew what my real hobby was, you would understand.


Accidents happen, usually when you least expect it.[QUOTE]

You are absolutely correct. I almost cut my hand off in a table saw 4 1/2 years ago. I vowed nothing like that would ever happen again. If I never cut my hand, I would be making a good living at my hobby.



My case in point-- I pinched my fingers between the log and the backstop on my splitter... somehow, I let my fingers drape over the back end of the log instead of over the side where they should have been. I didn't even notice it until I felt the pressure on my fingers... I had my attention focused on where I wanted the wedge to enter the log so I could get the log split where I wanted it. I had my left hand holding the log in position, my right hand on the control lever... and my left fingertips got pinched... Like I said earlier, it scared the hades out of me... because I, like WCH, thought that I ALWAYS had my hand on top of the log (which I did... but not my fingertips this one time) and I thought I NEVER would allow my fingers to get back there while splitting... but it happened anyway. Luckily, I had the presence of mind to let go of the lever fast enough that I wasn't injured... just sore.
Thank God. You were far luckier than I. Yours also was a much easier lesson.


And I truly don't want anything bad to happen to good people like WCH. I've read a lot of WCH's posts, I've gained a lot of respect for him. I was quite shocked to read that he was considering doing this... maybe that's why I worded my original post on this matter so strongly.
Understood, and the concern is appreciated. Thank-you also for the kind words.


It's WCH and his wife and kids that will bear the big burden if something unfortunate were to happen.
They already have. And, I am maimed for life. Trust me, it won't happen again.
 
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   / Log splitter rehab... #36  
I think the other poster was probably talking about aboristsite.com they have a good forum on firewood with a lot of information on logsplitters etc.

Stew
 

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