Log Skidding

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vongiese

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I'm curious how people skid logs with their tractor? Has anyone made a gizmo that would allow you to back up to a log, lower the 3pt and with tongs or something, grab the end of the log lift it up and skid away? Or an arch - a 2 wheeled trailer that actually lifts up one end of the log as you pull it out oof the woods.
thanks
 
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i drop a chain around the log and hook that to my bucket on the front end loader, lift the bucket, and drag backwards.

you can kill yourself fairly easily skidding logs if they catch on anything [like a stump].

you would be amazed at how fast your tractor will flip over when held fast suddenly.

never drag a log without the end being raised to clear obstacles.


if the tree was too long to navigate, i cut it into manageable sizes.

we are only cutting for firewood, so board length is not an issue.

being lazy, i only cut the tree to smaller lengths when i have too. [one drag verses several].

de-limb that thing too, limbs can get caught and toss you over too.

they sell skidding tongs to bite into the log, but i have been ok with just a chain.
 
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I was told that if you have to skid logs up hill and your pullin them in straight line with a chain to run it through the center of your tractor with it connected to the front. he said it pulls the front of the tractor down so you wont flip over backwards. Im not sure how safe it is or if it works.
 
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I wonder how a set of tongs mounted on a drawbar would work? Could back up to the log, lower the 3pt, grab log with tongs. Would need enough lift height to get the tongs and the end of the log off the ground. Would skidding like this be too tough on the 3pt?
Center of gravity is a real concern,. I like the cooncept of putting the chain on the front of the tractor, but as long as the weight is below the real axle (like on your swinging drawbar) you should be OK. Otherwise, it's something to pay attention to.
The bucket method is good to - I'll probably try it out, but going backwards is a pain in the neck!
Thanks for the ideas!
 
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I think your idea using a 3pt drawbar would work, but getting the bar up high enough to lift the log might be a problem.
Did you see the arch in the thread
http://www.tractorbynet.com/cgi-bin...ber=126652&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post126652

It might be along the lines you want to consider. Hooking a stump or anything is a concern, but when I pull, I pull in a slow (low) gear, and there is plenty of time to react to the front of the tractor lifting up - that is to either stop pulling, or shut off the tractor. Any of these two reactions keeps me from upsetting the tractor. When pulling a big log, the front end may get light and require steering with the left and right brakes. If there is weight on the front of the tractor, it decreases the need to use the brakes to steer. Adjusting the amount of lift on the 3pt arms will also control the amount of lift on the front of the tractor.

I've logged an average of 6 cords of wood a year for 40 years using such as system, beginning with a Ford 8N, then a TO-30 Ferguson, a JD 420, and now a JD 4300. The tractors keep getting better, but the logging arch is the same.
 
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also a question about lifting with the 3pt, would that then act as a lever against the rear axle? [when you bring the weight above the axle]
 
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VG, check the thread on "Treepuller and logs" just a few days old. Several people had some good things to say about skidding logs and had links with pictures.
 
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Mike, one other thing, a strike against the 2-wheeled cart, is it does not add any weight to the rear wheels to pull the load.... no incress in traction.
 
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About 15 years ago I made a two wheeled device for transporting logs. I still use it today and will supply pictures as soon as I get a digital camera, hopefully in a week or so.

The unit I made can handle a log up to 16 feet long 12 foot is more comfortable. Diameters are limited to something around 24".

It works by lifting the whole log off the ground which puts about 20% of the logs weight on the on the drawbar of the tractor. With the whole log off the ground there is less chance of the log striking a stump that the tractor would not hit and it keeps damage to sensitive areas to a minimum.

On smaller diameter logs I can carry two or three at a time.

Try to get pictures soon.

Randy
 
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I'll be very interested in seeing your pics as I would like to build something like that someday.
 
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I got the latest Bailey's catalog today, they show a three point hitch mounted hydraulic grapple for $1,495. It is rated for tractors 40 HP or better. They also sell a video.

www.baileys-online.com
 
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Thanks for the posts - look forward to seeing your pics Youare.
That is a real good point that if you use an arch to skid you don't get the advantage of weight to help traction. But there would be less friction with the log being partially suspended..probably not enough to make up the difference.
I can't wait to get a digital camera - for stuff like this....
 
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For materials I used, 2 inch square X 1/8 wall steel tubing, several gussets made from 1/4 inch thick steel plate, and a couple of pieces of 3/8 inch thick steel flat stock I cut some slots in to grab the chain links.

The spindles I unbolted from the front of a rear wheel drive car, it was a mid-1980 American Motors model. I just changed the front wheel bearing assembly in my 1992 Old's, I believe you could use these units as well.

I think it cost me lesss than $75.00 for all the metal I needed back then, and $12-$15 for the trailer ball coupling. I had use of a welder so there was no expense for me there. An abrasive cut-off saw or metal cutting band saw is helpful.

I have the ability to produce CAD drawings I'll try to make details of what I have made and figure a way to make them available.

Randy
 
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I see by your bio that you saw lumber, just curious what kind of mill you have.
 
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I have a Mobile Dimension Saw that my folks purchased close to 22 years ago. The mill was 3 years old when we bought it from the sale rep. He wanted a new model to demo with.

My father died about one year after we got the mill, I have been the only one in the family that was intrested in running the mill and the only one with the space at home to use it. It is portable, built on a 28' long double axle trailer.

Randy
 
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Ahh.... portable as in a mobile home is mobile...

;-)

Chris

"" It is portable, built on a 28' long double axle trailer.

""Randy
 
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Its a really good idea to actually pick the log up. Especially if you hope to mill it with a band mill. Even if it will be cut into firewood, the dirt and sand ground into the bark will complicate your life. It would be real nice to drop the tree, cut the log to desired length, paint the ends, back over it with the U trailer, winch it up, etc, and drive it to the mill without dragging it. My Dad and I use a Lucas mill. It is a swing-blade mill design, which works quite differently from a standard blade mill. See Baileys for more info. We don't skid logs because it is MUCH easier to move the Lucas to the log. One day we moved the Lucas to a large cottonwood that the DNR had pulled out of the river 8 miles from our house. We set up, and cut a couple hundred 12 foot 2x4s out of it, cooked some hotdogs over a fire, talked to a few passers-by, had a great afternoon, and hauled it all home. Quite a slick deal. $10K. Ultra portable, sharpener on-board, cuts plain or quarter-sawn without ever lifting, turning or handling the log at any time. Almost no limit to the size log you can cut, approx 6 feet across would be max diameter, and length is unlimited, although 20 feet with standard rails, rails extendable to any length you want. Mention my name to Baileys if you call them, it helps. Thanks.
 
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I saw that hydraulic grapple in the Bailey's catalog too. Here's the <A target="_blank" HREF=http://onlinestore.forestindustry.com/cgi-bin/baileys/1574?mv_session_id=IKGeZAIK&product_sku=SPG>link</A> to that grapple. Looks like I have a list of items forming that I "need" to make. I guess this will have to go on the list after a boom pole and loader forks.
 
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Intresting enough the frame of the saw mill trailer is made from an old "mobile" home frame and axles. It is portable as in porters are able to move something from place to place. 28 feet long as in 14 people standing heel to toe.

The name "Mobile Dimension Saw" comes from the fact that the mill can be moved from place to place and it can saw lumber that has a desire size or dimension.

There is a website www.mobilemfg.com where you can see them for yourself.

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Randy
 

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My neighbor has designed a 3pt unit for picking up and hauling logs. The unit is actually a multi-purpose unit. The arms used for scooping up and holding the logs can be removed quick & easy. Bale forks and couple other applications. In real life operation the unit works slick. You just backup your tractor, the "scoop blades" slide under the logs, lift the unit up, log rolls foward (towards the tractor). Repeat process until you max out your 3pt lift capacity or run out of room. Joe (the neighbor) has a GreenBay, WI company manufacturing the unit. I'm not sure if he is selling direct or through the manufacture. If your intrested in more info I will give him your .
 

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