loader operation?

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

I just got a new XR4046H and have a loader question. Do your loaders work curling and raising/ dumping and lowering at same time? Mine will not. Only one function will work at a time. I had a third function valve added at dealer before they delivered the tractor and am not sure if that could be causing it to not function properly. I am not sure how it worked before they installed the third valve. I posted a thread in the hydraulic section yall can check and that may give you a better understanding why I am asking. Thanks

ThatServerGuy · Oct 2, 2015

I was going to ask this same exact question.. Following....

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

Is yours doing the same thing? Where did you buy yours from?

ThatServerGuy said:
I was going to ask this same exact question.. Following....

George2615 · Oct 2, 2015

I have the XR3037HC with basically the same loader. I don't have the third function like you but I can curl and raise or lower and dump at the same time by placing the joystick in either 7 O'clock or 1 O'clock position. I'd say since your dealer installed your third function before you rec'd. the tractor you'll have to ask them if they replaced the loader valve assembly to one without that ability.

Check your owners manual on joystick operation. Mine says the joystick can be operated in 4 directions (up,down,curl, and dump, plus float mode). In the next sentence it says if the stick is moved diagonally loader up/down and bucket curl/dump can be operated at the same time. I do not have quick dump mode, which my previous tractor did.

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

I just tried it at higher RPM and it worked. Had to be around 1500 or higher to work. Still not sure on the 4in1 yet. I will hook it up after the rain stops. Check my post in hydraulic thread to get all the info. Some things for all us LS guys to look out for is-
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ThatServerGuy · Oct 2, 2015

I need to double check the function of mine but it seemed like I could not operate both at the same time. I have not spent enough time with it yet to confirm. Once it dries out I will test and see

I bought mine from Goss Equipment in Jasper, Ga and they were fantastic to deal with. They also made sure to torque every bolt that needs a torque and lubed everything before delivery.

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

Thanks for the reply. I got mine from smiths in N.C. And they were good to.Try a little higher RPM and see if that helps. I had a smaller kubota and never had a problem at lower RPM.. Guess I gotta stop babying mine and put her ***** to work

They seem to be nice tractors so far.

ThatServerGuy said:
I need to double check the function of mine but it seemed like I could not operate both at the same time. I have not spent enough time with it yet to confirm. Once it dries out I will test and see
I bought mine from Goss Equipment in Jasper, Ga and they were fantastic to deal with. They also made sure to torque every bolt that needs a torque and lubed everything before delivery.

George2615 · Oct 2, 2015

chris1006 said:
Thanks for the reply. I got mine from smiths in N.C. And they were good to.Try a little higher RPM and see if that helps. I had a smaller kubota and never had a problem at lower RPM.. Guess I gotta stop babying mine and put her ***** to work They seem to be nice tractors so far.

Just tested mine and it works at any RPM

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

Wonder if adding the third function valve changes/ reduces flow? I wouldn't think so if not trying to use at same time as normal loader function. Now you got me thinking again

George2615 · Oct 2, 2015

If the dealer tapped or teed into the loader lines for the third function then yes, hydraulic fluid will flow the line or path of least resistance. Higher RPM would be required for both curl / raise or lower / dump to work.

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

He tied it into the power beyond port on the loader valve. I wouldn't think that would reduce flow to the loader functions unless I was trying to operate third function at same time as loader funtions? Unless I press the button on joystick to open or close bucket/grapple while using loader then the same amount of flow/gpm would be available at loader functions as was always there.

lostcreekranch · Oct 2, 2015

I have the WR Long 3rd function on both New Holland TL-100A and LS XR4046HC. Both will lift / curl simultaneously at any rpm.

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chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

Don't know who makes the W R Long third function valves but mine is made by HyVair and I think it would be comparable quality (Not made in China, made in USA).

lostcreekranch · Oct 2, 2015

chris1006 said:
Don't know who makes the W R Long third function valves but mine is made by HyVair and I think it would be comparable quality (Not made in China, made in USA).

Chris;

WR Long is made in North Carolina. True 3rd functions should be connected to the power beyond port. Please see attached hydraulic diagram.

http://www.wrlonginc.com/Hyd DO3B Flow Diagram.pdf

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JBob · Oct 2, 2015

I have the 4046h and have found the loader hydraulics are not designed real well. I've had experience with several tractors and heavy equipment with loaders. This tractor's loader functions are some of the worst I've seen. When I first got the tractor I thought mine would not roll while dropping too. A little more time on the tractor helped and higher RPM's does make it better. Still not where it should be. That being said, I love the tractor.

chris1006 · Oct 2, 2015

rlgustafson: that is exactly how mine is plumbed.
Jbob: kiiinda glad to here that. With the RPM,s up it does work. But like you said it is not as smooth as the kubota I had. This really is a nice tractor and I like it. For a homeowner it is hard to beat the price versus other tractors for all you get. And we all know it comes down to getting used to something. Doesn't really mean something is wrong, just different. Still don't think my 4in1 is working right but that may be something different and I will still look into that.

Grateful11 · Oct 2, 2015

rlgustafson said:
Chris;

WR Long is made in North Carolina. True 3rd functions should be connected to the power beyond port. Please see attached hydraulic diagram.

http://www.wrlonginc.com/Hyd DO3B Flow Diagram.pdf

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We heard nothing but good things about the W.R. Long when my son was purchasing a Kubota MX5100 and what you've said about curling while raising and dumping while lowering and the way is was to be mounted is the reasons he went with the Long setup and so far it's been great. Works fine at any RPM's. The dealer even put quick connects on the 3rd Function for removing the loader but if it's like the other loader tractor after almost 1200 hours the loader's never been off.

chris1006 · Oct 3, 2015

Got the 4in1 working this morning. Check post in hydraulic section. Think I just need more time to get used to it.Thanks for the help guys.

boomer632 · Oct 3, 2015

It will do it whether you have 3rd function or not. It's a real small sweet spot to find but it will do it. The problem is when you do find the spot it is really slow. The reason for this is the hydraulic pump does not provide enough flow to support two valves being open at same time like a skidsteer does. Keep rpms up and hunt around for the sweet spot...you'll find it but don't expect it to move fast. The loader will never perform like a skidsteer loader due to the lack of flow. Remember these are tractors first and loaders second.