Loader Bolts

[rtdiggr]

Does any one have any issues with the loader bolts loosening, or shearing off?
I have a 1433 with almost 700 hrs on it. i have had issues with loose bolts that mound to the engine.
Now i have a couple of bolts shear off of course that means the bolts are still in the engine.
Has anyone ever removed these bolts before? I was told it is not to fun.


tks Shane

 

[chh]

Every loader I ever had seems like it had a set of mounting bolts somewhere that did not want to stay tight. Usually they did not seemed to be torqued properly when orginally installed.
If the bolts are broken off flush, you will need to drill a hole in them(being careful to center the hole) and use an ease out to back them out. Depending on the bolt hardness and the quality/sharpness of the bits it may indeed be a bit of "fun" to get them out. I have had bolts break off on machinery before that had a some metal sticking(not flush to the surface,but not enough to use vice grips on). Sometimes on them you can weld a flat bit if metal to the end and use a wrench to back them out.

 

[MFRED]

Loader mount bolts are a pain. It kinda needs to be part of the routine all the time to check them. A lot of stress gets put on them and if not checked all the time they will either fall out or shear off. Some times they have to be drilled & tapped, or threads cleaned. It's a fun project.

 

[ray66v]

Last couple of bolts broke off flush, I welded a nut to the bolt. Then, let it cool, and unscrew it. It's easier than drilling.

 

[rtdiggr]

Thanks for the responses, i heard from a Massey mechanic that the job wasn't to fun. The last time they did this job they just welded a new plate on the side and started again. I really don't like this option.

I will start digging and drilling and see what comes out.

Shane

 

[JerryG]

Like MFRED said, the loader bolts can be a pain.
After you get them fixed, the first hundred hours check them ever 10-20 hours then after that every hundred hours to see if they are tight or at every oil change. When the bolts get seated in good and the paint between the surfaces get worn in, the bolts will stay tight. These bolts are under a lot of stress, twisting etc.

For taking them out, I'm a big fan of welding a nut to the broken bolt through the hole or a washer then a nut, but you need to be good at welding to do it right.

 

[jeepcj7]

Use a removable strength thread locker when reinstalling the mounting bolts. Bolts that are broke off flush with a housing is almost a sure sign that they had worked themselves loose.

 

[rtdiggr]

Thanks for the responses, i haven't started digging in yet i will post some photos when.


Shane

 

[rtdiggr]

Okay a little update. I took out the "things" that where in the way. I will try to extract them tomorrow [dang work gets in the way]
Only 5 out of the 6 bolts where sheered off i guess i was lucky i could have been all 6.

On the plus side i now know the importance of checking your bolts regularly.

I do believe i will be replacing all of the bolts that have anything to do with the loader. I guess i will be going to a place called Brofasco i will be bringing lots of money. They have every bolt you need but they are expensive.

Shane

 

[WilliamBos]

I do believe i will be replacing all of the bolts that have anything to do with the loader. I guess i will be going to a place called Brofasco i will be bringing lots of money. They have every bolt you need but they are expensive.

Shane

I love Brafasco. Yes they are expensive, but you get what you pay for.

 

[JerryG]

Since your going to have to buy new bolts anyway, see if your supplier has bolts that have the heads pre-drilled. Several years ago, there was a bolt place here that carried bolts like that. That way after you got the bolts torqued a few times, you could safety wire them and you wouldn't ever have a problem again. I don't know if you can still get bolts like that or not.

 

[ray66v]

Since your going to have to buy new bolts anyway, see if your supplier has bolts that have the heads pre-drilled. Several years ago, there was a bolt place here that carried bolts like that. That way after you got the bolts torqued a few times, you could safety wire them and you wouldn't ever have a problem again. I don't know if you can still get bolts like that or not.

You can get bolts like that from an aircraft supplier, they will probably cost a bundle though.

 

[rtdiggr]

I went to Brofasco yesterday and dropped $30 on 24 bolts. The loctite was close to $15 for a very small bottle.
I do remember the other thing i don't like about the store, nothing in the store has a price on it. I guess they expect every one to just buy what every they have at what every price.

Shane

 

[frenchie4x4]

Buy yourself a quality torque wrench then tighten all the bolts to the factory spec. My loader manual lists the torque for every bolt. I have 550 hrs on my TLB and have never seen a loose bolt or any signs of movement yet and I think I'm a little rough on it. I speak from experiance I"m the quality control superviser at work. On jobs from Ford Motor Co. they require recorded torques on all "critical" fastener and that the torque wrenches be calibrated every 6 months. We also track history and warranty problems. Any loose,broken or oblonged mounting holes are always from some one removing and reinstalling the part without torquing properly. Most shops use air tools and assume that it is sufficiant. Then later the part comes loose on the consumer. Use a torque wrench and you will be suprised at how moch tighter the bolts will go before the wrench "clicks" Good luck. Frenchie

 

[rtdiggr]

Buy yourself a quality torque wrench then tighten all the bolts to the factory spec. My loader manual lists the torque for every bolt. I have 550 hrs on my TLB and have never seen a loose bolt or any signs of movement yet and I think I'm a little rough on it. I speak from experiance I"m the quality control superviser at work. On jobs from Ford Motor Co. they require recorded torques on all "critical" fastener and that the torque wrenches be calibrated every 6 months. We also track history and warranty problems. Any loose,broken or oblonged mounting holes are always from some one removing and reinstalling the part without torquing properly. Most shops use air tools and assume that it is sufficiant. Then later the part comes loose on the consumer. Use a torque wrench and you will be suprised at how moch tighter the bolts will go before the wrench "clicks" Good luck. Frenchie

I do have a torque wrench but i am still trying to remove the sheered off bolts. I have been alittle busy with other things.
I did try to remove one bolt with an extractor and the extractor broke. It was pretty cheap quality. I will pick up a better one tomorrow.

Shane