Atlas tractor is selling a 28.5 hp. chinese Lenar tractor for $6845.00. Does anyone own one and how do you like it? They are being built in a new modern facility and under Ford quality control who owns 40% of the company. They really look nice , and i'm gonna consider one when i get ready to buy. Next year they are coming out with a 25 hp and a 31 hp, then a 36hp about 6 months later. Check them out and see what you think at http://www.atlastractor.com Cooper tractor is also selling their version of it as an Agtrazz. It is super sharp too. Check them out at www.coopertractor.com It looks like it could be a major player in the small tractor segment in the next few years. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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OOPS!!! Coopertractors website is www.coopertractors.com ..... sorry abbout that. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
EFC
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Durwood, if your interested in advertising space then Muhammad would be glad to get you front page billing vs. posting for free......
Except that i'm not a dealer or sell anything at all. I only have an acre ground right now, but am looking to buy 5 or 10 acres in the next year or so. I'm just looking and researching tractors right now hoping to purchase one in the next year or so. Sorry i came across as a dealer, but i have no connections whatsoever with anybody here. Just trying to pry information out of people that i can use later on. And i have been to your site several times and am impressed with the Dongfeng tractors , but you being in Washington State and me in Ohio kind of eliminates any serious thoughts of purchasing one. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
EFC
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Please accept my apologies Durwood. It just sounded like the text book sales rhetoric we have been exposed to over the last year. So far it is a whole lot of talk and not a lot of do. Just find me one person, just one, at either Ford or Isuzu that will back up any claims of "quality control" ties between them and Jingling. I have tried numerous times and I can't find one person. I am sure if you buy a Lenar especially from the Coopers you will be happy but that will have nothing to do with the rhetoric and everything to do with the Coopers being good honest dealers.
Fill out your Bio, that is the best way to stop from being confused as a dealer/distributer.
I couldn’t sell you a DF if you wanted one. You are in another distributor’s district so you would have to go through him. Have fun shopping though.
Fill out your Bio, that is the best way to stop from being confused as a dealer/distributer.
I couldn’t sell you a DF if you wanted one. You are in another distributor’s district so you would have to go through him. Have fun shopping though.
Buck if you knew as much about Chinese tractors as you do BS you could have a future in the business......I am the exclusive marketing agent representative for Jianling Lenar in the USA and I'm sorry the fact that JMC is 29% owned by Ford Motor Co. and are the manufacturers of Ford and Isuzu vehicles in China doesn't convince you of the correlation between Ford and Jiangling Motor Company. The tractor division manager was a USA Ford employee and the son of the JMC chairman. But you are the "all-knowing guru" of Chinese tractors, I almost forgot. Just like you thought Terraplane was just a KAMA. The fact is that Jianging Tractor Co. "does" use the quality control measures issued by Ford Motor company in the brand new tractor factory. I am sorry I had to repsond like this, but I don't like it when people lie about things they don't even know about. I want the good people of this board and Lenar tractors to know the truth, not your side of the story. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I was looking to buy a new tractor for a long time now. Was looking at the Lenar. The Lenar dealers say "They don't sell junk." meaning to others that all chinese tractors except Lenar are no good. People that sell Lenar tractors are arogant and seem to talk down to you. They are way to smart for me.
SoI figured if I ever needed any parts I'd be to stupid to order them. So after researching for many hours I spent my money on a Jinma. Thedealers seem down to earth, they're helpful and go out of their way to please you.
SoI figured if I ever needed any parts I'd be to stupid to order them. So after researching for many hours I spent my money on a Jinma. Thedealers seem down to earth, they're helpful and go out of their way to please you.
I have to agree with that . Count me as another to dumb to be able to buy a Lenar. It's a shame too, i was really wanting one. Oh well, i'm sure i'm smart enough to own a Jinma or a Kama. Thanks for making my mind up for me Ben. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Hello EFC. Here is a Sept. 2003 article by a pretty credible news source called Reuters. Now it does not say Ford quality control but if as the Lenar rep says the head of the tractor division was a former Ford employee and Ford does indeed have a major share of Jianling then I have no problem believeing that there has been Ford QC implemented.
Here is an article less than a month old for your review.
China's Jiangling hopes for higher Ford stake
http://www.catiaworld.com/lang1/mem/news/arc/_disc2n/000004c7.htm
This took about 15 seconds for me to find and actually lends legitimacy to the Lenar name and claim. After viewing this I may look a little harder at the Lenar now.
I think that before people start bashing they should have a little more knowledge of the subject matter.
I agree with you on not being able to find one Ford or Isuzu person to say it as I doubt that myself, you, or most people on this board have the ability to contact the people in those multi-billion corporations who have that knowledge simply because of their shear size and diversity in business ventures.
I am a little bit more excited about the Lenar now and thank you all for stiring the pot and causing me to dig a little deeper in my research.
Thanks
Here is an article less than a month old for your review.
China's Jiangling hopes for higher Ford stake
http://www.catiaworld.com/lang1/mem/news/arc/_disc2n/000004c7.htm
This took about 15 seconds for me to find and actually lends legitimacy to the Lenar name and claim. After viewing this I may look a little harder at the Lenar now.
I think that before people start bashing they should have a little more knowledge of the subject matter.
I agree with you on not being able to find one Ford or Isuzu person to say it as I doubt that myself, you, or most people on this board have the ability to contact the people in those multi-billion corporations who have that knowledge simply because of their shear size and diversity in business ventures.
I am a little bit more excited about the Lenar now and thank you all for stiring the pot and causing me to dig a little deeper in my research.
Thanks
Oooooops, if I had looked at the next few articles I would have seen this. Here is the Ford executive that EFC was looking for.
Wayne Booker, vice-president of Ford Motor Co.,
This article is interesting and here is a quote
Booker said "Ford's long-term objectives to establish strategic cooperation ties with Jiangling Automobile Co., Ltd. will not change and the American company is willing to make greater contribution to the development of China's automotive industry."
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200110/31/eng20011031_83632.html
Thanks agin
Wayne Booker, vice-president of Ford Motor Co.,
This article is interesting and here is a quote
Booker said "Ford's long-term objectives to establish strategic cooperation ties with Jiangling Automobile Co., Ltd. will not change and the American company is willing to make greater contribution to the development of China's automotive industry."
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200110/31/eng20011031_83632.html
Thanks agin
JohnS
Platinum Member
So does Lenar have better quality control than DF or Taskmaster? Quality speaks for itself. Doesn't matter if a Ford exec is running the place, or if they implemented procedures, themselves. If their quality is significantly better, they will sell themselves, from owners word of mouth, not what any competing dealer or tractor rep has to say.
DavesTractor
Elite Member
Ben,
You can stick to the facts and if that makes Buck look bad, then so be it. I suspect if he is wrong he will apologize. He is that sort of person.
Your first post on this site and you flamed a regular guy. I don't know about Lenar, and I don't care a lot about them either, but we do better on this site by not being so sarcastic.
Just my opinion.
You can stick to the facts and if that makes Buck look bad, then so be it. I suspect if he is wrong he will apologize. He is that sort of person.
Your first post on this site and you flamed a regular guy. I don't know about Lenar, and I don't care a lot about them either, but we do better on this site by not being so sarcastic.
Just my opinion.
I agree and time will tell. I think that the Lenar rep may have just been frustrated and wote based on his frustration at what appeared to be an attack on their credibility.
I do have to say that if Ford is a major share holder and if Ford QC type controls are used then they are moving in the right direction. I don't think that the claim was the best tractor in the world. I think and please correct me Lenar if I am wrong, that he was incensed by this statement by one who does not appear to know the relationship.
The statement of "so far it is a whole lot of talk and not enough do" was a little bit of a credibility attack and thus got a response that seems to be written in a bit of frustration.
I for one now see that a real & credible relation exists between the two companies and thus lends credibility to the potential claim of a more consistently produced machine. It may not but they do have some good support in their position.
I for one think that Lenar is on to something that should benefit them and hopefully the end user.
I do have to say that if Ford is a major share holder and if Ford QC type controls are used then they are moving in the right direction. I don't think that the claim was the best tractor in the world. I think and please correct me Lenar if I am wrong, that he was incensed by this statement by one who does not appear to know the relationship.
The statement of "so far it is a whole lot of talk and not enough do" was a little bit of a credibility attack and thus got a response that seems to be written in a bit of frustration.
I for one now see that a real & credible relation exists between the two companies and thus lends credibility to the potential claim of a more consistently produced machine. It may not but they do have some good support in their position.
I for one think that Lenar is on to something that should benefit them and hopefully the end user.
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We have an organization that seems to have a problem focusing on the positive that they can offer. If a rebutal is in order, it should focus on facts and not be personal. It may be that certain chinese brands are vastly superior to others: if so it should be possible to substantiate claims in some positive manner rather than "the other guys sell junk". And if a Ford minority investment means that new quality control measures have been implemented, why haven't we heard what they are?
As to me, I own a Jinma after being putoff by the negatives of some of those selling other brands.
As to me, I own a Jinma after being putoff by the negatives of some of those selling other brands.
I agree mostly with what you are saying and hope that no one thinks I have been out of line. I simply believe that the Lenar rep got somewhat frustrated and vented.
Take a look at the first post and see how EFC leveled the guy before knowing who he was. The gentleman came back politely and explained he was not a dealer. EFC retracted but he certainly was not above a "flame" & not knowing what he was talking about. Maybe it would be wise if before we attack to know what/who it is we are attacking.
I simply did a very quick search and posted my easily found results of at least a very certain and definitive relation between the two companies. I am only producing facts.
Here is a fact for ya. A 29% stock ownership may very well be a majority. I don't know that they do but. You see if if the other 71% of the company is split up amoung many others and no single one owns more than Ford then that would make Ford the Majority. This is an example and I am not saying Ford does own a majority. I am simply saying that we should state the facts as we know them and post documentation of that. All I know now is that Ford is a major stockholder. Would this be disputed?
I think that maybe EFC & Lenar maybe should settle their differences and move on. In my opinion after looking at both tractors I will wait. I am interested in knowing if Jinma has any strategic relations with any notable world class manufacturers. I have shyed away from them but have an open mind. I have just heard so much crap from everyone that maybe I should just go buy a NH and not worry about all this anyway.
Oh well, at least I am thinking a little more and if nothing else this has opened my eyes to some other previously unasked questions.
Thanks!
Take a look at the first post and see how EFC leveled the guy before knowing who he was. The gentleman came back politely and explained he was not a dealer. EFC retracted but he certainly was not above a "flame" & not knowing what he was talking about. Maybe it would be wise if before we attack to know what/who it is we are attacking.
I simply did a very quick search and posted my easily found results of at least a very certain and definitive relation between the two companies. I am only producing facts.
Here is a fact for ya. A 29% stock ownership may very well be a majority. I don't know that they do but. You see if if the other 71% of the company is split up amoung many others and no single one owns more than Ford then that would make Ford the Majority. This is an example and I am not saying Ford does own a majority. I am simply saying that we should state the facts as we know them and post documentation of that. All I know now is that Ford is a major stockholder. Would this be disputed?
I think that maybe EFC & Lenar maybe should settle their differences and move on. In my opinion after looking at both tractors I will wait. I am interested in knowing if Jinma has any strategic relations with any notable world class manufacturers. I have shyed away from them but have an open mind. I have just heard so much crap from everyone that maybe I should just go buy a NH and not worry about all this anyway.
Oh well, at least I am thinking a little more and if nothing else this has opened my eyes to some other previously unasked questions.
Thanks!
First of all I want to start by apologizing to those that felt my post was too harsh. It was an attack on Lenar that surfaced that response by me and it wasn't the only time my company has been bad mouthed by that member because of uneducated reasons.
As for you gentlemen that say you feel too "dumb" to buy Lenar, I am sorry. I think you may have mistaken "confidence" for "arrogance;" in that, Lenar tractors and Jiangling Motor Company's true desire is to market a better quality Chinese tractor built to American specs. And yes, the proof is in the fact that Jianling marketed one model all year long, with constant modifications, in order to make it more suitable for us American weekend warriors. Whereas JM is solely a Chinese tractor, built for China, with no American presence. And the main objective seems to be exporting as many models as possible each year into the USA with little concern about improving quality or support, but that is my opinion from experience. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference in a Chinese tractor factory that spends all year trying to get one model perfect, not worrying about mass sales of various models. Their whole purpose is to create a national brand in this country that is "sought" instead of "fought" and that people can rely on as a low-cost alternative for compact tractors. If you are still unsure, go look at a a Lenar vs. a typical Chinese tractor, please!!! Get on one, test it out, then come back to the board and tell me you still want some other Chinese model instead of the Lenar.
As for you gentlemen that say you feel too "dumb" to buy Lenar, I am sorry. I think you may have mistaken "confidence" for "arrogance;" in that, Lenar tractors and Jiangling Motor Company's true desire is to market a better quality Chinese tractor built to American specs. And yes, the proof is in the fact that Jianling marketed one model all year long, with constant modifications, in order to make it more suitable for us American weekend warriors. Whereas JM is solely a Chinese tractor, built for China, with no American presence. And the main objective seems to be exporting as many models as possible each year into the USA with little concern about improving quality or support, but that is my opinion from experience. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference in a Chinese tractor factory that spends all year trying to get one model perfect, not worrying about mass sales of various models. Their whole purpose is to create a national brand in this country that is "sought" instead of "fought" and that people can rely on as a low-cost alternative for compact tractors. If you are still unsure, go look at a a Lenar vs. a typical Chinese tractor, please!!! Get on one, test it out, then come back to the board and tell me you still want some other Chinese model instead of the Lenar.
SPIKER
Elite Member
BENJ:
I would be happy to test use a lenar: I've had my JINMA for over a year and have been happy with it, yes I wish it had suttel shift and a better hydro system sometimes, (needs remotes for sure) the FEL and backhoe work as advertized but could be better. now if you are looking for people to help test them maybe provide some insentives for us unworthy jinma owners then perhaps we would be willing to trade up to the lenars... I'm not badmouthing anyone, my elxeriance is only with my jinma and the few others who have similar units. I am more than willing to take a look test drive ect. any around this area? north center of ohio.
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I would be happy to test use a lenar: I've had my JINMA for over a year and have been happy with it, yes I wish it had suttel shift and a better hydro system sometimes, (needs remotes for sure) the FEL and backhoe work as advertized but could be better. now if you are looking for people to help test them maybe provide some insentives for us unworthy jinma owners then perhaps we would be willing to trade up to the lenars... I'm not badmouthing anyone, my elxeriance is only with my jinma and the few others who have similar units. I am more than willing to take a look test drive ect. any around this area? north center of ohio.
Mark M /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Hi Mark, haven't chatted with you since the CTOA? That was you right? Mark M? To help you acheive your wish, we do have exclusive Lenar distributors/dealers in both Indiana and Pennsylvania. You can goto www.lenartractor.com and click on the links page to get a list of the dealers around you. And you can contact them via email or telephone. They will be more than happy to let you test a Lenar out! Remember, this is our first full year of exporting Lenar and so far, so GREAT! We have distributors from New Mexico to Maine and a lot of places in between. Every dealer that had experience with other Chinese tractors before they got Lenar were amazed! They claimed that there was no "re-fitting" or "re-work" required like other brands and also were impressed with the Jiangling engine, which is manufactured by JMC, and has proven to be more powerful than and out performs other compact lines by far.
SHIFTY
Gold Member
I have purchased and driven the Lenar recently and still have it ,Im proubally going to run it for a little while to give it a good work out and then sell it ,So far so good,I bought it basically to "check out".I also sell Jinma, Df and Century,Im not going to get into details but I will say that Lenar was pretty nice and overall I was very impressed ,I did find a couple areas needing minor improvement but they are in the right direction as far as Chinese tractors go and I feel they are moving in the right direction ,I do feel that bashing other Chinese tractors will not help in anyway and that Ive seen on several western web sites so lets all make peace and get those tractors muddy and have a great Thanksgiving !! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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