L3130HST or CK30 HST

dummy · Oct 5, 2004

Will the dealers let you "borrow" their tractor for the day/weekend? Would probably be much easier to decide after which one feels better.

Bob_Skurka · Oct 5, 2004

but one factor I haven't seen mentioned is resale value... The Bota wins hands down.

Resale value is regional. Can't really make a blanket statement on resale.

Don



Don, superficially, I would agree with you. The laws of supply & demand dictate resale value and those vary by region. However, here we have some indication that the demand for Kioti is probaby very weak when compared to Kubota. Luremaker said 4 Kioti dealers versus 40 Kubota dealers. It is likely that Kioti has minimal brand recognition in that area, which would yield minimal demand. It also has minimal distribution, which also reduces demand. With minimal distribution, parts and service support is highly centralized (in only 4 locations) which puts owners at a disadvantage for both parts and service as there is a near monopoly by dealerships within their locality. Therefore, it is possible that any supply could be too much supply which would weaken resale value. Kubota likely has maximum name recognition because it has high distribution, there is lots of competition for parts & service with 40 service centers so buyers will find it easier to get a local source for help and depending on the circumstances, possibly high supplies. I would tend to think that the resale value of the Kubota would be higher given that information.

However, I tend to totally disregard resale value unless someone says upfront that they plan on keeping the tractor a short time. Most of us buy tractors and hang onto them so I rarely consider resale value to be worth anything.

Luremaker · Oct 5, 2004

Bob, most implements that I see at local dealers are manufactured by local businesses or in the USA and use 540 PTO. I have not really looked but I do not remember seeing any which used 1000 PTO.

fishman · Oct 5, 2004

If you really do get an additional one year warrantly, that is definitely worth the price premium if everything else is equal imho. Otherwise, I'd really look hard at the two dealerships and see which one is superior. And I'd shop the prices a bit harder as well . . . let them know you're looking to buy, but you are open to other options.

shoppintractors · Oct 5, 2004

Luremaker said 4 Kioti dealers versus 40 Kubota dealers.

Locally 3 Kubota to 1 Kioti.

 However, I tend to totally disregard resale value unless someone says upfront that they plan on keeping the tractor a short time. Most of us buy tractors and hang onto them so I rarely consider resale value to be worth anything. 

Excellent point, Bob. Anyway, who knows what the market will be like years from now? I would anticipate Kioti to have many more dealerships in the years to come.

Don

Bob_Skurka · Oct 5, 2004

Don, the reason I used 4 versus 40 instead of 1 versus 3 is because markets are not limited to small local areas. The 4 versus 40 is based on his province, which would be similar to a state in the US because it represents a wider cross-sample of the overall market. When dealing with statistics and markets, I always try to deal with statistically significant sample sizes. I would doubt that his local sample is going to be totally representative of the market because no local sample exists within a vacuum that is not influenced by exterior market influences.

As for anticipating that the number of Kioti dealers will increase in years to come, you are betting on something that may or may not occur. I try not to bet on the unknown, especially market penetration and expansion. It is just as likely that Mahindra will expand their network of dealerships as well as every other brand that does not have as many dealerships as Kubota. However, it is also just as likely that a saturation point will be hit and some of those dealers (of all brands) will be driven out of business, and some brands will fail while others succeed. I'm simply not going to bet on any of that.

SteveH_CT · Oct 5, 2004

Actually I think I can make that blanket statement in the case of a Kubota vs. a Kioti... nothing against the brand, but I know who holds their value better. If it was Kubota vs. Deere, or NH then regional variables may enter into it.

JATO_RaT · Oct 5, 2004

One thing I found out recently was that Kubota has a dealer that is fantastic, they are the maximum utmost in service. Tractor Smart helped me out immensely. The service and pricing is superb. I am hooked on Tractor Smart's service and speed in getting me parts. I'm pretty sure it's only available for Kubota.

shoppintractors · Oct 5, 2004

So...... your familiar with every state and every locale. Local market concentration across all 48...and what will be years from now. Your a better prognosticator than I. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Don

SteveH_CT · Oct 5, 2004

Come on Don - be realistic... in what market in the United States or Canada - at this point in time, would Kubota not hold it's value better than Kioti? It's a minor point, but I see resale as a significant, though far from the most significant point to consider when purchasing something that easily runs over $20,000. I realize that most folks don't intend to trade anytime soon, but it happens. You and I both know what better resale value does to the TCO for any capital asset.

Nuff said - and you're right I stink at prognostication... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif