L-225 Clanging noise in transmission

[IRNCTY]

Hi IRNCTY - sometimes this is caused by the little detent balls that travel back and forth in a drilled passage between the shifting rods. The balls stick into rod grooves so only one rod can move out of neutral at a time. But as the rods and balls & passages wear, the accumulated clearance can allow two rods to move at the same time, putting the transmission into two gears at once (just a lock-up if you are lucky - gear tooth breakage if not).

Well, does that mean it needs new rods and balls? Are the balls under the tiny little springs that come all the way through and are held down by the shifter plate on top? So far I've only had lock up.

Thanks for the reply

 

[rbargeron]

You would need to inspect your parts to see where the play is. It's even possible a spring or ball is missing from prior work in there. My L345 shifter is a little different so I'm not sure how the ball passage is accessed on your L225 - maybe they go in from one end and the springs are vertical? Mine had a cracked shift fork that allowed it to stay in that gear while shifting to another (and locking up). The good news is the shifter can usually be repaired without splitting the tractor. L225 shifter parts drawing and parts list info attached. You can get prices and/or order parts at tractorsmart.com

 

[IRNCTY]

You would need to inspect your parts to see where the play is. It's even possible a spring or ball is missing from prior work in there. My L345 shifter is a little different so I'm not sure how the ball passage is accessed on your L225 - maybe they go in from one end and the springs are vertical? Mine had a cracked shift fork that allowed it to stay in that gear while shifting to another (and locking up). The good news is the shifter can usually be repaired without splitting the tractor. L225 shifter parts drawing and parts list info attached. You can get prices and/or order parts at tractorsmart.com

Thanks a million! I guess I need to look into fixing this before it turns into a larger problem. This will help for sure.

 

[IRNCTY]

You would need to inspect your parts to see where the play is. It's even possible a spring or ball is missing from prior work in there. My L345 shifter is a little different so I'm not sure how the ball passage is accessed on your L225 - maybe they go in from one end and the springs are vertical? Mine had a cracked shift fork that allowed it to stay in that gear while shifting to another (and locking up). The good news is the shifter can usually be repaired without splitting the tractor. L225 shifter parts drawing and parts list info attached. You can get prices and/or order parts at tractorsmart.com

Well, I tore into the shifter housing. Some previous owner has had the top plate off, maybe trying to stop an oil seep??? Instead of a gasket, he used RTV. LOTS OF RTV. The little springs were full of it. I believe this is the only problem, but while ordering new gaskets, I'm going to see if I can obtain new balls. If it turns out the rails are worn, I'll just have to tear back into it.

 

[rbargeron]

........I'm going to see if I can obtain new balls.... .

Let us know how that goes.

Meanwhile, our apologies to Softwaregeek for the thread detour, at least it has been 225-related. Hope you and your project are both doing well.

 

[SoftwareGeek]

No problem! I finally got all ... well, almost all.. the parts in. Still need an oil seal for the spur gear. All I need to do now is fiddle with the ring & pinion to make sure they're shimmed properly, and start putting it together. Getting the gaskets has been a nuisance, becuase I've had to order each one individually. I also got a new hydraulic screen, 'cause I figured the old one was sufficiently used. Chemo laid me up a bit this week, but I hope to be out this weekend and have most of it put back together.

You issue with the tranny - one reason why I was so greatful that I didn't have to tear into it... all those balls and little pieces.

my tin is in decent shape, but again, as long as I've got it all torn apart, paint is cheap. Wish I could find new L-225 decal's, though.

 

[IRNCTY]

Let us know how that goes.

Meanwhile, our apologies to Softwaregeek for the thread detour, at least it has been 225-related. Hope you and your project are both doing well.

I too apologize. I don't post much, and didn't even realize I might be hi-jacking his thread. Sorry!

FWIW I was able to order gaskets and balls. If I needed the rails, I am out of luck. Only the center one is available!
Now I have a week to worry about getting all the shift forks and PTO lever re-installed correctly.

Softwear Geek, I pray that your health will be good after the treatments and you can get out and use your "New" tractor when it is all together again.

 

[SoftwareGeek]

For the rails, you can try west kentucky tractor parts - they're a big salvage yard, that's where I got my ring gear & pinion. The parts were in excellect shape.

I'm obsessing about the amount of lateral free play the spur gear shaft has in the differential spider gear. The backlash is good; it's just when I put the shaft in there is more up-down and left-right movement than I think should be there. However, I also want to get the thing back together and running, so I'm inclined to press ahead. If I ever need to, it will be easy enough to get back into the diff.

So now I've reassembled the new hyd. screen, put the differential lock back into place, and cleaning all the old gasket goo off the mating faces to put this back. I'm a little perturbed still by the new clutch assembelly; I'm half-tempted to clean up the old one and put it back in becuase of the amount of free play the new one forces. Again, like the diff, now that I've done it it's easy enough to get to, so I probably wont.

My wife had to haul several weelbarrow loads of horse manure for her garden, and I sure wished I had this back together with the FEL on it. BTW it's a Kubota FEL that was added on at the dealiership; however the part tag is torn on it so I don't know how to classify it. I do know it needs a new bucket cylinder.

 

[dex3361]

Thanks for the thoughts! Coupla things - cancer treatment is going well. More of an annoyance than anything else, but I'm bald as a cue ball.

Got the new ring and pinion, and have assembled them. I've put the engine and tranny back together, had to re-jigger the clutch a bit - the new clutch is more "inset" than the original, resulting in a lot more release bearing travel, which messes up the linkage.

I'm still waiting on some bearings, seals and o-rings from the dealership. I'll probably pick those up this tuesday, and get them on on wednesday. My HOPE is to have it all put together by this weekend - it depends on how much screwing around I have to do to ensure the ring & pinion are meshing properly. New pictures are up on my facebook site at the link below.

I'm taking the opportunity to make this look purdy, doing a lot of cleaining and painting. I'll be doing a lot more. I've attached some pics - also one of all the broken bits and metal filings I pulled out of the differential case.

I am glad that you found the issue. I cant tell for sure but by the picture it looks as though the pinion was riding high on the ring gear and if it was it would wear it out looking like it does. Does the L225 have shims to adjust the pinion depth like automotive differiential? It would be bad to have it happen again. Oh if the pinion bearings are bad (slooppy) it would do the same.
Randall

 

[IRNCTY]

Let us know how that goes.

Meanwhile, our apologies to Softwaregeek for the thread detour, at least it has been 225-related. Hope you and your project are both doing well.

Since SoftwareGeek don't seem to mind sharing his thread, I'll not start another one having to do with the ancient L225.

I did recieve new detent balls and gaskets. WHEW! Getting all three shift forks, and the PTO lever all positioned for the re-installation was a challenge! I was able to do it finally and it all seems to work ok. However, I measured the new balls with a digital caliper, and comparing them with the old ones, I cannot notice any wear. I did go ahead and put the new ones in. I will now have to use the tractor for awhile before I'll know if I've fixed anything.