Kubota or Kioti

[RSKY]

Your avatar appears to be a CK20 with a grapple. I have been told that the tractor is too light to use one.

Where did you get it? How much did it cost? How useful is it?

Thanks

RSKY

 

[texasjohn]

Dargo, you just gotta be so proud of your daughter you popped a shirt button Congrats to her...and all the others coming along as well.... quite a story there...:thumbsup:

 

[IslandTractor]

Your avatar appears to be a CK20 with a grapple. I have been told that the tractor is too light to use one.

Where did you get it? How much did it cost? How useful is it?

Thanks

RSKY

If you are referring to me then yes that is a CK20 with a "light duty" 48 inch Millonzi grapple. The CK20 was well matched to the grapple and I did a lot of work with it mostly clearing brush. The Millonzi, which is said to weigh about 300lbs, is no longer made but it is roughly equivalent to the Markham light duty or the WRLong OBG.

The lift capacity at pivot pins for the KL120 loader is about 1100lbs as I recall so there is still a pretty good net lift capacity with the grapple replacing the bucket. If I dug the grapple into the roots of a "too big" tree, I would lift the loaded rear wheels right off the ground despite having a 500lb bush hog as rear ballast. I'd say that shows that the CK20/KL120 was certainly up to the task but in fact could have used more weight to give optimal grapple use.

I now use the same grapple on my DK40se which being both more powerful and heavier is an even better match for the grapple. However, I would not hesitate for a moment in recommending an appropriate light duty grapple for the CK20. I simply used the rear remotes to control mine and was very happy with that set up.

 

[Dargo]

Let's hope not. She sounds like a lovely talented kid. Wouldn't want her to be too influenced by an argumentative, cantankerous HF basher. Of course Dad is rightfully proud but I'm giving full credit to Mrs Dargo and I'm sure an impartial investigation will prove me right. :thumbsup:

LOL I'd venture to say that even a biased view by a crabby old fart would have to say that you're right on the money.

Sorry to have wondered off the subject. It honestly was rooted in the spirit of the topic of the thread. It's just a little pride got in my way. Again, sorry for the diversion. Back to your normally scheduled thread.

 

[rtimgray]

You know, being valedictorian really isn't that big a deal.

Heck, I was valedictorian.



'course, I was a home-schooled only child!


In all seriousness, congratulations to you and your daughter - it is quite an accomplishment.

Out of curiousity, does her school have multiple valedictorians or just one? When I graduated, we were on the 100 point scale and you had one valedictorian and one salutatorian. For the last several years, they have been on the 4.0 scale, so they have anwhere between three and a dozen valedictorians (which I think is kind of silly).

Congrats again.

 

[CurtisG]

If you are like me, I tend to keep my equipment a long time ,(my old tractor is 23 years old), but if you are one to sell/trade often, then the Kubota would be the better choice because it will have a much better resale/trade value. Just something to keep in mind.

Curt

 

[Dargo]

You know, being valedictorian really isn't that big a deal.

Heck, I was valedictorian.



'course, I was a home-schooled only child!


In all seriousness, congratulations to you and your daughter - it is quite an accomplishment.

Out of curiousity, does her school have multiple valedictorians or just one? When I graduated, we were on the 100 point scale and you had one valedictorian and one salutatorian. For the last several years, they have been on the 4.0 scale, so they have anwhere between three and a dozen valedictorians (which I think is kind of silly).

Congrats again.

Thanks. She graduated from a reasonably small school, 246 in her graduating class, but she was #1 of that class.

 

[Hvytrkmech]

I compared a Kioti CK20 and a kubota B7610. While both tractors were very well built the Kioti was 500#s heavier than the Kubota. The Kioti had 200# greater lift capacity. The Kubota had 24hp, the kioti 20hp. All said and done I bought the Kubota for 2 main reasons, it had a better and longer warranty, and the dealer had been around for 50+ years. The Kioti dealer ran a hack shop and had only been around for appx 10 yrs.

I have had zero issues with my Kubota, it mows my 2 acres of property with ease, then plows and sand my driveway all winter.

Best money I have ever spent.

 

[Dmace]

I bought the Kubota for 2 main reasons, it had a better and longer warranty

What warranty is that? The 24 month limited warranty that ONLY applies to non-commercial use? The one that gets cut in half to 12 months if purchased as a commercial unit or under a commercial name?
Kioti's warranty is 48 months for ANY USE and not limited to non-commercial use plus there is NO HOUR LIMIT on the warranty...

I just want to make sure the original poster gets correct information...

 

[IslandTractor]

What warranty is that? The 24 month limited warranty that ONLY applies to non-commercial use? The one that gets cut in half to 12 months if purchased as a commercial unit or under a commercial name?
Kioti's warranty is 48 months for ANY USE and not limited to non-commercial use plus there is NO HOUR LIMIT on the warranty...

I just want to make sure the original poster gets correct information...

He bought his B7610 several years ago. Before Kioti went to the 48hr warranty. I think that explains his comment.

 

[crazyal]

I just want to make sure the original poster gets correct information...

If you are going to correct someone else then you should at least make sure you get it right yourself, after all you provided a link to the information. BX, B, and L tractors (except BX24 and BX25) have a 24 month warranty with a 36 month power train warranty. Only the BX24 and BX25 and ZTMs have anything listed about private homeowner having a 2 year over a 1 year warranty. Kubota's TLB tractors come with a 1 year over all and a 2 year drivetrain warranty.

As far as Kioti goes that 4 year warranty is only for the drivetrain. The over all warranty is 2 years, like most of Kubota's equipment. Both companies offer the same warranty when it comes to the FEL and other implements.

So yes the Kioti has an extra year on the powertrain and unlimited hours vs 1500 with the Kubota.

For me Kubota over Kioti was simple. Every Kubota dealership around me has been in business for longer than I can remember, 30 years plus. Kioti has had three different dealers over the last 3 years and the latest one is a rental place that just opened up in a crowded rental market, I would like to see if they stick around for a few years before saying they will be a long term dealer. A second rental company just added Kioti recently about 20 miles from me in the other direction. The next closest dealer is in a different state 4 hours away.

On the other hand I can get to 5 different Kubota dealers in the same amount of time (less than an hour) as I can get to the two Kioti dealers. Four of them Kubota is the main thing they sell, the other is a rental company that just started handling BC. A quick couple of calls and I should be able to find any part I need or find an experienced mechanic.

 

[IslandTractor]

A quick couple of calls and I should be able to find any part I need or find an experienced mechanic.

That's true for me too. Actually just one call and two or three days later the part arrives via UPS and I didn't need to drive even ten miles.

I appreciate that a good dealer nearby is an advantage but how much is it worth? For me a more powerful Kioti cost $6000 less than the equivalent Kubota so I decided I could live with UPS.

 

[crazyal]

That's true for me too. Actually just one call and two or three days later the part arrives via UPS and I didn't need to drive even ten miles.

I appreciate that a good dealer nearby is an advantage but how much is it worth? For me a more powerful Kioti cost $6000 less than the equivalent Kubota so I decided I could live with UPS.

The difference could be a weekend. If something was to break on a Thursday evening or a Saturday morning, it's happen to me more than once, and the next day or that afternoon I can have the part. What's a weekend worth? Sometimes not much but other times when plans are made it could be real costly.

 

[IslandTractor]

The difference could be a weekend. If something was to break on a Thursday evening or a Saturday morning, it's happen to me more than once, and the next day or that afternoon I can have the part. What's a weekend worth? Sometimes not much but other times when plans are made it could be real costly.

For my purposes, I can only use the tractor on weekends so having a week for parts to show up is no biggie. I would agree that for someone using the machine daily or commercially one day parts pick up would be important. For Kioti tractors, local Bobcat dealers can provide most any part so that is another option even if your dealer is remote.

 

[Dmace]

He bought his B7610 several years ago. Before Kioti went to the 48hr warranty. I think that explains his comment.

I know, I just wanted to point out that his "decision maker" was no longer valid on the newer tractors since Kioti extended their warranty.

If you are going to correct someone else then you should at least make sure you get it right yourself

So there is nothing in my post that is incorrect, I did make sure I got it right. Thanks for playing...

If something was to break on a Thursday evening or a Saturday morning, it's happen to me more than once

Well if something ever breaks on my tractor (knock on wood - 400hrs -4yrs and no problems), I'd rather deal with waiting a few days for a part then go on for a lifetime knowing I spent $4k or more for the equivalent tractor with a shorter warranty, less capabilities and less standard options just because the dealer was closer...

 

[crazyal]

I know, I just wanted to point out that his "decision maker" was no longer valid on the newer tractors since Kioti extended their warranty.

So there is nothing in my post that is incorrect, I did make sure I got it right. Thanks for playing...

Well if something ever breaks on my tractor (knock on wood - 400hrs -4yrs and no problems), I'd rather deal with waiting a few days for a part then go on for a lifetime knowing I spent $4k or more for the equivalent tractor with a shorter warranty, less capabilities and less standard options just because the dealer was closer...

Fair enough. But you did leave out some key that could leave someone to believe that the Kioti had twice the warranty that Kubota has and the commercial part wasn't quite true. I would also like to point out that the 1500 hours Kubota give you with it's powertrain warranty would take you 10 years at your present rate before you would reach it.

Don't get me wrong I thought the Kioti looked like a nice tractor, I don't know anyone personally who has one though.

 

[crazyal]

Here's all the reasons why I went with Kubota. I looked at the Kioti DK45 HST. The quote I was given was good. It was about the same price as Barlows for the GL4240. It's hard to compare because I'm getting a front mount blower, something I don't see listed on Kioti's website, and the price included the blower and the mid mount PTO for it. I don't have the exact Kioti quote in front of me but I'm guessing they were with in $1000 of each other.

I want the mid PTO powered front blower because I plan on getting a Herd PTO sander for the rear but could of worked around it. The FEL lifts higher on the Kubota, the main reason why I went with the 4240 over the smaller Kubotas (since they have a smaller loader). If you look at my avitar you'll see my 1977 IHC Loadstar. I want as high as I can get without going too large of a tractor to get over the sides. When you add it all up the Kubota was a better option for me.

If it was $6k difference, I would have went with a Kioti but it wasn't/

 

[IslandTractor]

Sounds like everyone is happy with their choices. That's a good thing.:thumbsup:

 

[crazyal]

Sounds like everyone is happy with their choices. That's a good thing.:thumbsup:

I've read most of, if not all of that Cadillac of tractor's thread and laugh. Why would someone want to know which is the best of the best? Shouldn't it be a case of choose the tractor that best fits your needs? That sounds like a 'I want to impress my neighbors so help me choose' type of thread.

 

[IslandTractor]

I didn't read that Cadillac thread for exactly that reason. There are legitimate debates about features and prices but "best" is a moving target. What's best for me might be a reject for someone else.