Buying Advice Kubota bx25 vs mahindra max 25

[LD1]

Kubota and JD have not permanently defined the SCUT, because even they have grown it to more HP and a slightly larger footprint over the years. I think you are calling the B-series a SCUT. Maybe so, but wouldn't many people say that isn't so? Wouldn't some say a SCUT is a BX and a B-series is just a really light CUT?

thats the point. It could be different for different people too. IMO, a B is a CUT, the L's are CUT's and the M's are UT's.

But regardless of what I think or what you think, the B and the MAX is the SAME SIZE. So how can one be a SCUT and the other a CUT???

I understand your points, even if I disagree with each one! But that is OK. It is the "dishonest, deceptive, shady" nonsense that is silly and detracts from an otherwise good discussion.

The point is that you have the right to your opinion, but so do others without the need for vitriolic criticism as it takes away from the discussion and tends to make us line up and defend our color instead of offering good commentary.

Even so, I appreciate your thoughts.

I am just stating my opinion. And that is the beauty of this forum and free speech. I am allowed to state my opinion with the words " deceptive, dishonest, and shady". Without that, it i hard to make my point. Everyone is entitle to there opinion and most importantly, they are ALLOWED to share it. Others may agree, others may disagree, thats what makes us human.

You dont have to "defend your color". They make a great tractor. I have said that more than once now. Their marketing strategy is what I have issues with. They act like they invented something totally new here by building a B-sized tractor and picking on the little ole BX and deere 10 series. If anything, It makes us have to defend our kubotas and deeres by pointing out the fact that the MAX is NOT a good comparison for the BX. Based on physical size, weight, etc. It is...however, darn near a direct comparison to the B and 20series deere:thumbsup: But if it makes mahindra "feel" better not accuratly representing their tractor amongst its competition, so be-it. I dont like it.

A wise old salesman one told me....

"I will never say one bad word about any competition. If I cannot sell my product based on its merits alone, thats fine. But I wont stoop to the level of other salesman that do so"

In this day-in-age, people are more than capable of getting all the information they want about any tractor they want. And for me, it is a BIG turnoff when you are bashing your competition. If you want to post a comparison chart like other makes do, thats fine. Its all published specs anyway. ANd let the customer make up his mind. But DONT try to sell me on something by telling be how bad the others are. Instead, sell me on what you have to offer, forget about the others.

 

[Dougw133]

I don't see the problem with the marketing...its a competitive and capitalistic market. I could see you having issues if they were lying about something. When it boils down to it, regardless of your assertions, you are doing nothing else but defending your color. Im not someone in the market for a smaller tractor but I say the more choices for the consumer the better for us, the consumer.

 

[murphy1244]

scut, cut or ut, who the heck cares...it is what it is.

 

[DavesTractor]

scut, cut or ut, who the heck cares...it is what it is.

Might be the smartest answer so far! Thanks. :thumbsup:

 

[magicheater]

Simply look for your self, compare ALL the differences beyond the publicized performance data, and draw your own conclusion. I have looked at a number of brands, they all have advantages. Some things I like and others I do not, this may be different for someone else. No one has made the perfect tractor yet!

 

[LD1]

I don't see the problem with the marketing...its a competitive and capitalistic market. I could see you having issues if they were lying about something. When it boils down to it, regardless of your assertions, you are doing nothing else but defending your color. Im not someone in the market for a smaller tractor but I say the more choices for the consumer the better for us, the consumer.

I understand and respect your point. Mahindra can market HOWEVER they want. All I am saying is that "I" dont like they way they are doing it. I do believe it is a bit misleading. And they "may" gain a few sales from it, but i think it will cost them sales from smart consumers.

And yes, all I am doing is defending "kubota and deere" but I wouldnt call it "my" brands. Again...I like all tractors. All I want is people to be informed. The B and 20-series (while they may cost more) is a MUCH more accurate comparison. And mahindra really doesnt have anything to compare with the BX and 10 series.

The the MAX vs BX/10series is NOT apples to apples, and that is what consumers NEED to look at. Mahindra is pushing their Apples to oranges comparison. Do you think it would make any sense for kubota to compare their MX series to deere 30 series?:confused2:

 

[Martian]

The only one I would consider not a SCUT is a Max 28. It is clearly bigger and is similarly sized to a Kubota B or Deere 2000 series, but Mahindra doesn't compare them on their Max Comparison's website. I will admit that the 25 is on the verge and would be more considered a KSCUT (Kinda SCUT). By just looking at the specs and the dimensions, it's right inbetween and if anything closer to the SCUT. The Max 22 is definitely a SCUT, no question. But, Mahindra only compares the Max 22 and 25 and NOT the 28, which is clearly not a SCUT to other manufacturer's SCUT's.

 

[Dougw133]

Regardless of ANYTHING here im glad there's more competition. You could debate max, kscut, subcompact, compact, apples and oranges. I think it makes some people regretful or intimidated at the thought they may be paying 2,3,4,5 thousand more dollars for paint realizing that "the little" guys are matching or exceeding quality

 

[shownuff]

there is no comparison shown on the bx 25 and what is the difference between the factory backhoe and dealer installed backhoe?

 

[Artisan]

there is no comparison shown on the bx 25 and what is the difference between the factory backhoe and dealer installed backhoe?

A BX25 comes WITH a FEL and WITH a Backhoe and WITH a 12" bucket. I
have heard of dealers selling buckets as extra, and if your being told the BH
is extra that is a new one. :laughing: Alls one has to do is look at the factory specs,
any dealer trying to sell otherwise deserves to be walked away from and outed.
To the best of my knowledge the tractor is made overseas and the BH's
and FEL's are made in, Georgia(?) The BH's and FEL's are packaged and
sent in there own crates and mated at the dealer. Yes, a Dealer installs the
BH and the FEL on all BX25's to the best of my knowledge. I think it is
uncrate and install and attach buckets. Maybe 1/2 hours work for one man
taking his time.

PS, My BX25 is well past "just" a homeowner machine doing "yardwork".
I read this from obviously a non owner. I grew up directing full size
backhoe operators from in the tenches literally, I am responsible miles
and miles of commercial and residential plumbing drainage
and sewer trenches and I can tell you the BX25 is FAR
from "just" a machine for "yardwork".

Is it a full size hoe, NOPE! But I am amazed at what I can do w/ that lil thing,
"screaming" :laughing: engine and all. LOL, and for the record, I never
see reason to go past 2500 RPM.

I had reason to communicate w/ a company in India 3 weeks ago. (No not Mahindra) I assigned
them a special email address w/ a code that only that firm was given.
A week later I was receiving offers for cruises and holidays and whatnot
from, insert drum roll, INDIA! You guessed it and guess what email address it was being sent to? ... Some peoples are what
they are, me personally? I will NEVER be vacationing in India. EVER.


Caveat Emptor = Let the Buyer Beware

 

[rockshaft]

I'm looking forward to seeing more Max series pictures here on TBN now that they're creeping into the market. IME, people don't buy too many Scuts, if you do I guess you're the type who buys a new car/truck every few years Point is, most people are happy with the machine they end up buying. So this sort of discussion is more to highlight individual specs that are truly superior.

I think its worth pointing out with regard to which bucket is included that the BX25 doesn't come with a 3point hitch- that's extra $$

 

[Artisan]

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I think its worth pointing out with regard to which bucket is included that the BX25 doesn't come with a 3point hitch- that's extra $$

It is a smidge over 200 I think and in my dealings it is usually a freebie
if you ask for it at time of sale. "OK, I take it if you throw in a 3 point hitch and a ballcap" kinda deal. I wish now I had bargained for a canopy, the Kubota plastic canopy w/ metal frame is nice, and stout.

 

[rockshaft]

It is a smidge over 200 I think and in my dealings it is usually a freebie
if you ask for it at time of sale. "OK, I take it if you throw in a 3 point hitch and a ballcap" kinda deal. I wish now I had bargained for a canopy, the Kubota plastic canopy w/ metal frame is nice, and stout.

I hate to say 300$ was enough to kill the deal, but in my case I tried to get the 3ph thrown into the package and "300$more" was the response. Either I was too good at getting a rock bottom quote, or that particular dealer wasn't the best- either way, I think its a great machine, I just didn't end up with one.

 

[jcdogfish]

I just looked at the kubota b series, the mahindra 2516 and max28, and the john deere 2320. The john deere and mahindras are similar size, the b series is smaller. The B series kubota is similar to me to the JD1026 with bigger tires. All are nice machines.The mahindra 2516 was $3100 less than the b2920 and $2600 less than the B2620 and $3100 less than the JD 2320. The Max 28 was$1k more than the 2516. To me the JD and Mahindra handled better with maybe a slight edge to the JD, but the mahindra seemed to have a bit more umph. The Kubota to me is not quite as stable on an incline as it is narrower and has a little more ground clearance. All were priced tractor and loader. I would compare the JD 1026 and BX kubotas. The others are larger but seem to turn pretty tight. I prefer the larger tires and frames as I have 7 acres to tend to and am getting away from a zero turn that is a very rough ride. If I had a smaller yard and wanted a mid mount mower I think I would look at the 1026 JD. If you need the backhoe the Bx may be the way to go but if you plan to mow too you need to check on the ease of installation on the backhoes. Don't know if this helps but it is my observations from the past week.

 

[selkplitt]

just a note on pricing. In central Pa., we got pricing this morning on a b2620, loader and 60" deck at 19100 plus tax and 0% financing for 60 months. Pricing for the max 25 was 15900 for tractor loader and 60" deck with financing at 4.25% for up to 72 months. Fair comparisons in tractor. As for the tractor, the Mahindra was very well made and that is the one my father is leaning towards. He could go with a bx, however he needs a drive over deck, at 71, he can't pull a 300# plus deck out from under it on a gravel driveway. That is what leaned us to looking at a B2620. On a whim we went to see the Mahindra, and was pleasantly surprised with what we found. As for the dealers in question, the Kubota dealer is the one I purchased from in 05, helpful but not over the top. The Mahindra dealer was helpful, but the difference I feel, is that he went the few extra steps to help us. Offered to bring it to the house to use a little bit, let us test it there at his shop. I think it comes down to the Kubota thinking he had the sale locked in and the Mahindra knowing he has to sell his product, demonstrate it, find out if it was right for us. So I have nothing but good things to say about this dealer. And neither dealer knew we had looked at the other tractor.

Now I currently own a BX2230 that has done everything I needed it to do, but now I own more property and when I replace this tractor, I will most definitely be looking at the Mahindra. I feel it was a well built tractor that just like my kubota will do anything I ask of it.

As for pricing, I paid 12500 for my BX2230 new in 12/05 and cannot fathom that a similar BX now is about 5000 more. What would I change on my BX, it would not have a limited category 1 3ph.

regards
Kevin

 

[Martian]

just a note on pricing. In central Pa., we got pricing this morning on a b2620, loader and 60" deck at 19100 plus tax and 0% financing for 60 months. Pricing for the max 25 was 15900 for tractor loader and 60" deck with financing at 4.25% for up to 72 months. Fair comparisons in tractor. As for the tractor, the Mahindra was very well made and that is the one my father is leaning towards. He could go with a bx, however he needs a drive over deck, at 71, he can't pull a 300# plus deck out from under it on a gravel driveway. That is what leaned us to looking at a B2620. On a whim we went to see the Mahindra, and was pleasantly surprised with what we found. As for the dealers in question, the Kubota dealer is the one I purchased from in 05, helpful but not over the top. The Mahindra dealer was helpful, but the difference I feel, is that he went the few extra steps to help us. Offered to bring it to the house to use a little bit, let us test it there at his shop. I think it comes down to the Kubota thinking he had the sale locked in and the Mahindra knowing he has to sell his product, demonstrate it, find out if it was right for us. So I have nothing but good things to say about this dealer. And neither dealer knew we had looked at the other tractor.

Now I currently own a BX2230 that has done everything I needed it to do, but now I own more property and when I replace this tractor, I will most definitely be looking at the Mahindra. I feel it was a well built tractor that just like my kubota will do anything I ask of it.

As for pricing, I paid 12500 for my BX2230 new in 12/05 and cannot fathom that a similar BX now is about 5000 more. What would I change on my BX, it would not have a limited category 1 3ph.

regards
Kevin

If he wants a SCUT size, why not look at the Deere 1023/1026 which have drive Auto Connect decks where you don't have to get off the tractor? The 1026 is in a whole other class of luxury compared to the other SCUTs and there's not much denying it. Might be worth a look.

Good luck!

 

[shownuff]

any idea on the pricing on the 1026r with loader and backhoe?

 

[lwalsh]

I just looked at the kubota b series, the mahindra 2516 and max28, and the john deere 2320. The john deere and mahindras are similar size, the b series is smaller. The B series kubota is similar to me to the JD1026 with bigger tires. All are nice machines.The mahindra 2516 was $3100 less than the b2920 and $2600 less than the B2620 and $3100 less than the JD 2320. The Max 28 was$1k more than the 2516. To me the JD and Mahindra handled better with maybe a slight edge to the JD, but the mahindra seemed to have a bit more umph. The Kubota to me is not quite as stable on an incline as it is narrower and has a little more ground clearance. All were priced tractor and loader. I would compare the JD 1026 and BX kubotas. The others are larger but seem to turn pretty tight. I prefer the larger tires and frames as I have 7 acres to tend to and am getting away from a zero turn that is a very rough ride. If I had a smaller yard and wanted a mid mount mower I think I would look at the 1026 JD. If you need the backhoe the Bx may be the way to go but if you plan to mow too you need to check on the ease of installation on the backhoes. Don't know if this helps but it is my observations from the past week.

Has anyone else noticed the tiny bucket capacity of the max series? Looks to be about half the volume of other tractors. Don't see the need for big lift capacity. Looks like they hold about a wheel barrow worth of dirt.

 

[rockshaft]

Has anyone else noticed the tiny bucket capacity of the max series? Looks to be about half the volume of other tractors. Don't see the need for big lift capacity. Looks like they hold about a wheel barrow worth of dirt.

I think the bucket on the 1-series looks too big- but better too big than too small!

What kind of quick attach does the Max bucket have?

 

[rockshaft]

any idea on the pricing on the 1026r with loader and backhoe?

I've been quoted ~19K