Buying Advice Kubota bx25 vs mahindra max 25

[DavesTractor]

which model has the loader and backhoe or is similiar to the kubota bx 25?

The Max 22 is closest. The BX25 has 23HP at 3200 rpm, the Max 22 has 22 HP at 2500 rpm. The Max 22 can be had with or without a backhoe.

Any of the Max models can have a backhoe or not. That is handy for the guy that isn't sure if a backhoe is in his future.

The Max 25 has the larger engine, 25HP at 2500 rpm.

 

[LD1]

I am new to the thread and I dont normally read up on the sub-compacts but.....and I could be way off my rocker here.......

How can you compare the max25 to the BX????? Isnt it a lot closer to the B in size. Like the B2620??????

Lets look at some quick specs here

....................max25...........................BX2320..........................B2620
weight............1693............................1322...............................1554
length............104................................95........................95 (w/o 3ph)
width.............51.................................44...............................49
3PH lift...........1400@pins......................670 @24".....................1356
loader lift........900@pins........................745@pins.....................952
B/O force.......2000@ pins......................922@edge....................2144
lift height........75"................................71...............................78
turn radius.......7.2'...............................7.5'..............................6.9'
ag tire size R....9.5x16..........................26x12x12..................8.3x16
...............F.....6x12............................18x8.5x10...................6-12

Again, I have never laid eyes on these machines side x side, but it seems at face value that the max is a good bit larger than a BX, and it seems a MUCH more fair comparison would be to the B-series?

Any thoughts anyone? Heck, I could compare a my L3400 to the Max and mine looks WAY better, more "built in weight", more lift, yada yada yada, etc.

It just seems to me that deere came out with the 10 series to directly compete with the BX and massey GC series since they were/are so popular. And mahindra goes and builds a B-sized, or JD2x20 sized machine and is comparing it to the smaller tractors instead of the ones actually in its class. Again, this is just what it seems like, I could be off my rocker.

 

[Martian]

I am new to the thread and I dont normally read up on the sub-compacts but.....and I could be way off my rocker here.......

How can you compare the max25 to the BX????? Isnt it a lot closer to the B in size. Like the B2620??????

Lets look at some quick specs here

....................max25...........................BX2320..........................B2620
weight............1693............................1322...............................1554
length............104................................95........................95 (w/o 3ph)
width.............51.................................44...............................49
3PH lift...........1400@pins......................670 @24".....................1356
loader lift........900@pins........................745@pins.....................952
B/O force.......2000@ pins......................922@edge....................2144
lift height........75"................................71...............................78
turn radius.......7.2'...............................7.5'..............................6.9'
ag tire size R....9.5x16..........................26x12x12..................8.3x16
...............F.....6x12............................18x8.5x10...................6-12

Again, I have never laid eyes on these machines side x side, but it seems at face value that the max is a good bit larger than a BX, and it seems a MUCH more fair comparison would be to the B-series?

Any thoughts anyone? Heck, I could compare a my L3400 to the Max and mine looks WAY better, more "built in weight", more lift, yada yada yada, etc.

It just seems to me that deere came out with the 10 series to directly compete with the BX and massey GC series since they were/are so popular. And mahindra goes and builds a B-sized, or JD2x20 sized machine and is comparing it to the smaller tractors instead of the ones actually in its class. Again, this is just what it seems like, I could be off my rocker.

I would agree for the most part, but these machines, to my knowledge, are sized more similarly to a SCUT. The 25 is on the verge and the 28 definitely is not, but their specs are just greater. Again, I'm not in the market, so I may totally be off the mark.

 

[LD1]

I would agree for the most part, but these machines, to my knowledge, are sized more similarly to a SCUT. The 25 is on the verge and the 28 definitely is not, but their specs are just greater. Again, I'm not in the market, so I may totally be off the mark.

I could be wrong but I consider the B2620 a SCUT.

But that is why I posted the length and width of machines as well as tire size. Because tire size really makes how "bit" a machine looks.
I'd say if you lined them all up in a row, BX then Max, then B, the max would be a whole lot closer to the B than BX in overall size. And when compared to the B, its specs really arent impressive IMO. They're not bad, but certainly not how mahindra makes it out to be. "built-in-weight":laughing: I just get a kick out of that and I dont know why:confused2:

 

[Gittyup]

I agree, LD1, the Max is probably more similar in size to the 2620. However, what about price? Is it more closely priced to the BX or the 2620? Might be less than either. Don't know though. But, that could be the point: a small CUT for the money of a SCUT.

Certainly not fair to compare otherwise. Like comparing an average garden tractor to a SCUT.

 

[DavesTractor]

Good thoughts here. I think Mahindra has always went after the "lifts more, pulls more, pushes more" marketing and production angle, so when Mahindra defines scut, this is what it looks like. Barely bigger, a little stronger, top quality.

I do understand the points though. I remember in the early 2000's Chevy needed a heavier half ton. So they took a light 3/4 ton, with 8 lug wheels and free-floating rear axle, and simply called it a heavy half 1500. It became the toughest 1/2 ton...but was it really? Blurs the lines a little.

The Max will work pretty much wherever a BX will, and in most instances outspecs the BX. If you were Mahindra and were trying to break into the BX market, would you do it with a little higher spec machine, or a lesser spec machine? Since the Mitsubishi tractor is never going to be cheap (especially with the dollar to yen rate), we needed to try to define a little more tractor into the scut role.

 

[LD1]

Good thoughts here. I think Mahindra has always went after the "lifts more, pulls more, pushes more" marketing and production angle, so when Mahindra defines scut, this is what it looks like. Barely bigger, a little stronger, top quality.

I do understand the points though. I remember in the early 2000's Chevy needed a heavier half ton. So they took a light 3/4 ton, with 8 lug wheels and free-floating rear axle, and simply called it a heavy half 1500. It became the toughest 1/2 ton...but was it really? Blurs the lines a little.

The Max will work pretty much wherever a BX will, and in most instances outspecs the BX. If you were Mahindra and were trying to break into the BX market, would you do it with a little higher spec machine, or a lesser spec machine? Since the Mitsubishi tractor is never going to be cheap (especially with the dollar to yen rate), we needed to try to define a little more tractor into the scut role.

But the point is they are breaking into the BX market with a B-sized machine. Not really an accurate comparison. I envision a customer looking at a Max, and listenting to a dealers sales pitch on it vs the BX, and then visiting the BX dealer and seeing how much bigger/stronger the max is. And at that moment, all a competent kubota salesman need to do is say "here, take a look at this B2620, it is closer to the size of the max"

Nothing against the Max, and I'm not saying its a bad tractor. I am saying that it is a deceptive marketing strategy. The max is more the size of the deere 2x20 and b2x20 series. If they want to build a SCUT to compete with the massey GC, deere 10 series, or BX, then do it honestly. All of these MFG's have those "competitive comparisons charts". And I dont see kubota saying how great a B is compared to a deere 10, no, they do it honestly and compare it to the 2x20.

And another final thought....someone looking for a Bx sized machine is probaball doing yard work. Mowing, mulching, etc. So is all that hyped "built in weight" and "heavier capacities" really a good thing?

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

But the point is they are breaking into the BX market with a B-sized machine. Not really an accurate comparison. I envision a customer looking at a Max, and listenting to a dealers sales pitch on it vs the BX, and then visiting the BX dealer and seeing how much bigger/stronger the max is. And at that moment, all a competent kubota salesman need to do is say "here, take a look at this B2620, it is closer to the size of the max"

Nothing against the Max, and I'm not saying its a bad tractor. I am saying that it is a deceptive marketing strategy. The max is more the size of the deere 2x20 and b2x20 series. If they want to build a SCUT to compete with the massey GC, deere 10 series, or BX, then do it honestly. All of these MFG's have those "competitive comparisons charts". And I dont see kubota saying how great a B is compared to a deere 10, no, they do it honestly and compare it to the 2x20.

And another final thought....someone looking for a Bx sized machine is probaball doing yard work. Mowing, mulching, etc. So is all that hyped "built in weight" and "heavier capacities" really a good thing?

I use a much heavier tractor than that on my lawn, and see no ill effects. The thing is the MAX is price competitive with the subs, so why not get a little more for your money, and if you would like to compare it to the B series that is fine too. I can probably beat the price on them.

 

[Martian]

I think LD1s point is they are not apples to apples, and price alone doesn't make them that. If you could get a Deere 9000 series for the same price as a BX or MAX to mow the lawn, would it make sense. Your obviously getting more machine, but is it what you want? This is just what I'm reading, I really haven't done enough research to know if this is all true or not, just speculating from LD1s posts.

 

[LD1]

I think LD1s point is they are not apples to apples, and price alone doesn't make them that. If you could get a Deere 9000 series for the same price as a BX or MAX to mow the lawn, would it make sense. Your obviously getting more machine, but is it what you want? This is just what I'm reading, I really haven't done enough research to know if this is all true or not, just speculating from LD1s posts.

That is correct:thumbsup:

Of course size for size, mahindra and kioti et. al. are going to be less $$$ tha kubota, CNH, deere, etc. That is to be expected. But strictly comparing specs on machines, mahindra is a little shady comparing the way they are.

A new guy looking to buy a tractor that is clueless about makes/models, and buys into the max hype, is going to think that kubota doesnt have a tractor to compete with the max, when indeed they do.

So instead of making a customer "think" kubota doesnt have anything to offer, a better and more honest approach IMO would have been to compare it to a B (which specs are REALLY close on) and sell it on the point of cost. INSTEAD of picking a MUCH smaller machine just to make yours look superior.

And I dont know, but I dont think there is much price difference between the BX and the B.

Edit: just went through the build my kubota

BX2320 w/FEL, 60" MMM, and R4's........$16,356
B2320 SAME AS ABOVE.....................$18,843

So there is only a $2500 difference WITH MOWER on the two machines. And everyone says to take ~15% off.

That would put a BX w/FEL &MMM @ ~13,900 and the B @ ~16,000

What to the Max's run with FEL and MMM????

 

[Gittyup]

All good points. From a another perspective, if I wanted a lot of HP in a small package I'd look at the biggest BXs, the smallest B, TYM T273/293, JD2x20, and a few other. I was always enamored with the TYMs because they have a very short wheelbase and offer so much HP. This also is what I like about the MAX 28 XL. A "shorty" with outstanding quality and high HP would be a big seller, I think. The TYM is about right, but their presence (or lack thereof) scares me, and they could use a little more refinement. Keep waiting on Kubota, Deere, or Kioti to come out with something in the same size/hp combo. Haven't really seen it. The Kioti CK20 frame with 30 HP, 3 range tranny, and a mid PTO would be a great setup for general small estate use.

 

[bp fick]

All good points. From a another perspective, if I wanted a lot of HP in a small package I'd look at the biggest BXs, the smallest B, TYM T273/293, JD2x20, and a few other. I was always enamored with the TYMs because they have a very short wheelbase and offer so much HP. This also is what I like about the MAX 28 XL. A "shorty" with outstanding quality and high HP would be a big seller, I think. The TYM is about right, but their presence (or lack thereof) scares me, and they could use a little more refinement. Keep waiting on Kubota, Deere, or Kioti to come out with something in the same size/hp combo. Haven't really seen it. The Kioti CK20 frame with 30 HP, 3 range tranny, and a mid PTO would be a great setup for general small estate use.

Just asking, but isn't this just about a B2920?

 

[Gittyup]

The B2920 is close. Would like to shave about foot or more off the length.

 

[XSKIER]

I share the same sentiments as Gittyup. I need a more compact 30 hp compact. The 2720 and B2920 are just too big framed for me. I need just a little more traction and three point capacity than a SCUT. I need a little more horsepower to deal with my slopes as well. I would love to have steering brakes, but feel insulted by manufactures that insist on putting them on top of the directional pedal. I'm also really put off by the bx, max, and other "long reach" mid SCV joysticks. Right now the tym 293 seems to have all the right features, but seems too cheap.

For me it is going to be waiting it out until the next greatest thing hits the market, just like an iPhone 5 or iPad 4...

 

[jimfuel100]

I share the same sentiments as Gittyup. I need a more compact 30 hp compact. The 2720 and B2920 are just too big framed for me. I need just a little more traction and three point capacity than a SCUT. I need a little more horsepower to deal with my slopes as well. I would love to have steering brakes, but feel insulted by manufactures that insist on putting them on top of the directional pedal. I'm also really put off by the bx, max, and other "long reach" mid SCV joysticks. Right now the tym 293 seems to have all the right features, but seems too cheap.

For me it is going to be waiting it out until the next greatest thing hits the market, just like an iPhone 5 or iPad 4...

Very interested in hearing more about slope mowing with the 1026R. I have about 4.5 acres to mow...about .75 ac is on a steep slope. I really like the 1026R and mowing will be what it does most of the time...with some gravel driveway repairs and minor shaping the land. Does the slope bog the mower?

Also looking hard at the Mahindra 2516 / max 28. Will use a RFM with the Mahindra and 60 auto connect MMM with the 1026R.

10 minutes later I seem to think the BX 25 would be perfect! I am losing my mind over picking a tractor.

 

[shownuff]

the kubota bx 25 is not considered a full cat 1 3 point hitch,I purchased a cat 1 post hole digger and it is too big for the 3 point hook up

 

[Gittyup]

Very interested in hearing more about slope mowing with the 1026R. I have about 4.5 acres to mow...about .75 ac is on a steep slope. I really like the 1026R and mowing will be what it does most of the time...with some gravel driveway repairs and minor shaping the land. Does the slope bog the mower?

Also looking hard at the Mahindra 2516 / max 28. Will use a RFM with the Mahindra and 60 auto connect MMM with the 1026R.

10 minutes later I seem to think the BX 25 would be perfect! I am losing my mind over picking a tractor.

Doesn't the Max take a MMM?

 

[DavesTractor]

But the point is they are breaking into the BX market with a B-sized machine. Not really an accurate comparison. I envision a customer looking at a Max, and listenting to a dealers sales pitch on it vs the BX, and then visiting the BX dealer and seeing how much bigger/stronger the max is. And at that moment, all a competent kubota salesman need to do is say "here, take a look at this B2620, it is closer to the size of the max"

Nothing against the Max, and I'm not saying its a bad tractor. I am saying that it is a deceptive marketing strategy. The max is more the size of the deere 2x20 and b2x20 series. If they want to build a SCUT to compete with the massey GC, deere 10 series, or BX, then do it honestly. All of these MFG's have those "competitive comparisons charts". And I dont see kubota saying how great a B is compared to a deere 10, no, they do it honestly and compare it to the 2x20.

And another final thought....someone looking for a Bx sized machine is probaball doing yard work. Mowing, mulching, etc. So is all that hyped "built in weight" and "heavier capacities" really a good thing?

LD1,
You know, words mean something, even when you are just behind a keyboard. "Dishonest", "deceptive", and in a later post, "shady" are words you use for Mahindra because they are defining the Max as a SCUT. I'd like to suggest, meaning no offense, that you are out of line if you really agree with what you have written. I think different words would have been better.

SCUT isn't clearly defined, and certainly not legally defined. If Mahindra feels a SCUT should be slightly bigger, so be it. They have listed the sizes and weights and other specs, and this is what a SCUT should be in our opinion. Kubota can define a SCUT differently if they like, and I won't slander them.

But I'd like your opinion. What do you think about the BX25 from a marketing perspective? They take a little 58 cu in engine, spin it to a screaming 3200 rpm and get 23HP from it. Then they call it a BX23? No, they call it a BX25! Is that deceptive in your opinion? The BX1860 is 18HP, the BX2360 is 23HP, and so on, so the Kubota customer would surely think the BX25 is 25HP. Let me know your thoughts on this.

LD1, I can see your points on the MAX series trying to redefine the SCUT market. You don't agree, and that is fine, but let's be careful. Differences in opinions are just fine, saying the other guy is dishonest is a little further down the path then I'd like to go.

Just for full disclosure, the Max 22 has a 68 cu in engine and is rated at 22HP at a leisurely 2500 rpm. The Max 25 has a 80 cu in engine rated at 25HP at 2500 rpm.

And your comment about weight is good. Some people need a light tractor. It depends on the intended use of the machine.

 

[LD1]

LD1,
You know, words mean something, even when you are just behind a keyboard. "Dishonest", "deceptive", and in a later post, "shady" are words you use for Mahindra because they are defining the Max as a SCUT. I'd like to suggest, meaning no offense, that you are out of line if you really agree with what you have written. I think different words would have been better.

Wow. I think someone got up on the wrong side of the bead this morning. And yes, I mean what I said. I think the way they are marketing the tractor (by DIRECTLY calling out the 10 series deere and BX kubota) IS a bit shady.They can call it whatever they want, the point is they are comparing their LARGER tractor to a SMALLER bx and 10-deere. OFCOURSE the mahindra is going to liike "bigger and badder". BUT....why not make it fair and compare to the 20 series deere and the B kubotas. because THAT is what size the max is.

But I'd like your opinion. What do you think about the BX25 from a marketing perspective? They take a little 58 cu in engine, spin it to a screaming 3200 rpm and get 23HP from it. Then they call it a BX23? No, they call it a BX25! Is that deceptive in your opinion? The BX1860 is 18HP, the BX2360 is 23HP, and so on, so the Kubota customer would surely think the BX25 is 25HP. Let me know your thoughts on this.

Not deceptive at all. It is just a model #. While I'll admit that most tractor mfg's now have model #'s that make sense, think back when model #'s meant absolutly nothing. And if you want to nit-pick, what about the 6010 and 6110 mahindras that only have 59HP?

LD1, I can see your points on the MAX series trying to redefine the SCUT market. You don't agree, and that is fine, but let's be careful. Differences in opinions are just fine, saying the other guy is dishonest is a little further down the path then I'd like to go.

I dont think MAX is trying to re-define anything. That wheel has already been invented in the form of the b-kubotas and 20 deeres. And THOSE are also still SCUTS. It is just that they ALSO offer an even smaller SCUT (bx and 10 series)

I have nothing against mahindra. They are good tractors and get high marks here on TBN. And if/when I ever purchase another tractor mahindra will be on my list of ones to look at. I just have to look through the advertizing BS. Heck, kubota could build an overweight pig based on the 50HP Grand L platform and put an underpowered 28-30HP engine in it and compare it to a 2816 mahindra, but would that be fair?

Proudly comparing a MAx25 to a little BX makes about as much sense as comparing a max22 to their little GR 21HP lawnmower IMO. It would be a different story if the max fell inbetween two sizes of kubotas and they chose to compare it to the smaller one for lack of similar sized machines. But when the fact is that kubota and deere BOTH already make a machine that is (for all intents and puropses) the exact same size as the MAX, wouldnt it make sense to compare to those??? Unless ofcourse by doing so would make the max not look so good?

Edit: and you never did give a price for the Max25 with FEL and MMM??? And how they would compare to potential prices I listed in post #50? The only reference you even made to price was that "you could PROBABALLY beat the price of a B"

 

[DavesTractor]

Wow. I think someone got up on the wrong side of the bead this morning. And yes, I mean what I said. I think the way they are marketing the tractor (by DIRECTLY calling out the 10 series deere and BX kubota) IS a bit shady.They can call it whatever they want, the point is they are comparing their LARGER tractor to a SMALLER bx and 10-deere. OFCOURSE the mahindra is going to liike "bigger and badder". BUT....why not make it fair and compare to the 20 series deere and the B kubotas. because THAT is what size the max is.




Not deceptive at all. It is just a model #. While I'll admit that most tractor mfg's now have model #'s that make sense, think back when model #'s meant absolutly nothing. And if you want to nit-pick, what about the 6010 and 6110 mahindras that only have 59HP?




I dont think MAX is trying to re-define anything. That wheel has already been invented in the form of the b-kubotas and 20 deeres. And THOSE are also still SCUTS. It is just that they ALSO offer an even smaller SCUT (bx and 10 series)

I have nothing against mahindra. They are good tractors and get high marks here on TBN. And if/when I ever purchase another tractor mahindra will be on my list of ones to look at. I just have to look through the advertizing BS. Heck, kubota could build an overweight pig based on the 50HP Grand L platform and put an underpowered 28-30HP engine in it and compare it to a 2816 mahindra, but would that be fair?

Proudly comparing a MAx25 to a little BX makes about as much sense as comparing a max22 to their little GR 21HP lawnmower IMO. It would be a different story if the max fell inbetween two sizes of kubotas and they chose to compare it to the smaller one for lack of similar sized machines. But when the fact is that kubota and deere BOTH already make a machine that is (for all intents and puropses) the exact same size as the MAX, wouldnt it make sense to compare to those??? Unless ofcourse by doing so would make the max not look so good?

I understand your points, even if I disagree with each one! But that is OK. It is the "dishonest, deceptive, shady" nonsense that is silly and detracts from an otherwise good discussion.

Kubota and JD have not permanently defined the SCUT, because even they have grown it to more HP and a slightly larger footprint over the years. I think you are calling the B-series a SCUT. Maybe so, but wouldn't many people say that isn't so? Wouldn't some say a SCUT is a BX and a B-series is just a really light CUT? The point is that you have the right to your opinion, but so do others without the need for vitriolic criticism as it takes away from the discussion and tends to make us line up and defend our color instead of offering good commentary.

Even so, I appreciate your thoughts.