dougtrr2: I can get it out by cutting it into a couple pieces but then I'm wondering about getting the new one reinstalled. I usually do the reverse of taking something out to get the replacement back in. I was thinking about using a rubber replacement but was hoping to hear from someone more experienced as to weather that is am acceptable option. might do it as a temp fix and change it out if need be once the weather gets warmer. I'll zip tie it along the same path as the original. thanks for your input.