Kioti No start

IXLR8 · Jul 28, 2013

ra- I am curious, what year is your tractor and your location, SOUTH GRAFTON where?

Coyote machine · Jul 28, 2013

ra5451 said:
BTW...My meter is off

Couple of things: Glad to be of service. Your battery should not read over 12.xx volts with the engine off.
How do you think the connector(s) got the way they are? Immersion in water?
With battery disconnected I'd use a brass brush to get those male prongs as clean as possible and see what you can do with the female socket connector with electric contact cleaner.
Post back pics of clean connector before re-installing it so we can see it.

ra5451 · Jul 28, 2013

Water emersion is most likely from the farm....I think my meter is broke because it read 15.75 on my truck battery....I will do the cleaning in the next week as time permits....

Ku0a....Don't worry, i'll be back

FYI...South Grafton, MA

Coyote machine said:
Couple of things: Glad to be of service. Your battery should not read over 12.xx volts with the engine off.
How do you think the connector(s) got the way they are? Immersion in water?
With battery disconnected I'd use a brass brush to get those male prongs as clean as possible and see what you can do with the female socket connector with electric contact cleaner.
Post back pics of clean connector before re-installing it so we can see it.

Coyote machine · Jul 28, 2013

ra5451 said:
Water emersion is most likely from the farm....I think my meter is broke because it read 15.75 on my truck battery....I will do the cleaning in the next week as time permits....

Ku0a....Don't worry, i'll be back

FYI...South Grafton, MA

Sorry to beat this point home- but NEVER assume anything, especially when it comes to electrical issues. If your meter reads that high on your truck, you may actually have a problem with the truck, and not the meter. Test your meter on a known source of 12 volts. Check it's batteries too- they should be removed when the meter sits for long periods. Verify whether the meter is inaccurate ASAP.

ra5451 · Jul 28, 2013

Coyote machine said:
Sorry to beat this point home- but NEVER assume anything, especially when it comes to electrical issues. If your meter reads that high on your truck, you may actually have a problem with the truck, and not the meter. Test your meter on a known source of 12 volts. Check it's batteries too- they should be removed when the meter sits for long periods. Verify whether the meter is inaccurate ASAP.

I verified it on 3 different car batteries...I will be changing the batteries or **** canning it and getting another

ra5451 · Jul 29, 2013

Ok...Today I cleaned the contacts and put some dielectric grease on and put them together. Still no luck....So I started from the top and re-checked everything again. Low and behold the 60A fuse was blown (i know I said 30A before, but I didn't have me glasses on). So I replaced it and poof...It works....When I look at the old fuse i couldn't tell that it was blown because there was no indicators like black or discoloring????

Thankx for all you help!

robarosa · Jul 29, 2013

Had rats get in mine. Had lunch on relay wiring in the engine compartment. Fix all that, wouldn't start. Found they got to a wire on the back of the ignition switch and light switch. Fixed that and all is good. I keep moth balls around there now.

Good luck with yours.

murphy1244 · Jul 29, 2013

ra5451 said:
Ok...Today I cleaned the contacts and put some dielectric grease on and put them together. Still no luck....So I started from the top and re-checked everything again. Low and behold the 60A fuse was blown (i know I said 30A before, but I didn't have me glasses on). So I replaced it and poof...It works....When I look at the old fuse i couldn't tell that it was blown because there was no indicators like black or discoloring????

Thankx for all you help!

Good job!

Coyote machine · Jul 29, 2013

Some say 'bounce' dryer sheets will deter the mice too!? I cannot say whether they work or not.

k0ua · Jul 29, 2013

It looked like you had some arcing in that one connector That is likely what blew the 60 amp fuse the first and second time. When you cleaned it up, and replaced the fuse the second time... your good to go. Hopefully all of the corrosion and arcing is behind you, and you will stay fixed.. if not..go back to the connector, and decide what to do from there.

james K0UA

ra5451 · Jul 30, 2013

Back to the drawing board. I started to use the Kioti and in about 5 minutes blew the fuse. Pullin my hair out?

ritcheyvs · Jul 30, 2013

This really sounds like a short circuit somewhere, perhaps a chafed wire, Fuses tend to blow fast, unlike circuit breakers that require high current over a period of time. I would (first buy a bunch of fuses) use the schematic to identify any unnecessary circuits that can be disconnected by unplugging connectors and pulling fuses, In this case the only "necessary" circuits are what you need to start the tractor (starter and glow). Once you pull the plug on all the unnecessary stuff (lights, radio, etc.) use the tractor and see if the fuse blows. If it does the problem is in those few remaining circuits and you've narrowed it down. If it's OK running just the starter and the glow system add the disconnected circuits back ONE AT A TIME until you find the offending circuit. When you isolate the problem to one or two circuits examine the associated wires carefully until you find the cause.

Intermittant problems stink but you have the time to really find the cause using a systematic approach. If you take it to a pro, he can never be sure he found or fixed the real problem. You can. So get out your schematic and see how many unnecessary things you can disconnect.

murphy1244 · Jul 30, 2013

Put a ammeter between battery and hot wires. do not start. see if there is a power draw. report back

Coyote machine · Jul 30, 2013

ra5451 said:
Back to the drawing board. I started to use the Kioti and in about 5 minutes blew the fuse. Pullin my hair out?

Seems you have a dead short in the starting circuit for some reason. You're going to need a few more 60A fuses to get this under control- don't give up, we'll help you get it.
I suggest you start back at square one and go over everything again. I suspect you may not have effected a clean connection at the connectors under the floor board, so check for any arcing or bent pins, etc.

Just took a look at the male end connector you shot a pic of. I am thinking maybe a pic of the female end would be useful for diagnostic purposes. I suspect you may end up having to replace both connectors to solve a part if not all of your blown fuse issue(s).

ritcheyvs · Jul 31, 2013

Looking at a schematic, all the "unnecessary" loads seem to be protected by smaller (smaller than 60 amp) fuses. So the short must be somewhere in the start circuit. the glow circuit, or the wires from the key switch to the fuse panel.

murphy1244 · Jul 31, 2013

ritcheyvs said:
Looking at a schematic, all the "unnecessary" loads seem to be protected by smaller (smaller than 60 amp) fuses. So the short must be somewhere in the start circuit. the glow circuit, or the wires from the key switch to the fuse panel.

Going to be in the starter circuit to blow a fuse that big. Some big main.

Coyote machine · Jul 31, 2013

For purposes of eliminating certain simple locations of possible mouse/rodent caused shorts, remove the fuse block and check the back of the block and it's wires for any visible damage. Tug on each wire from the block's back and verify each wire is intact upstream of the panel. Do same to ignition switch backside.
Report back results with pic of female underfloor connector.

ra5451 · Jul 31, 2013

Ok I'll check the connection again...Can someone post a "perfect" male connection. I'd like to see the difference. Specifically, is there a prong in the dead center.
I will be doing this probably over the w/e...Thankx for all your help!

RandyT · Jul 31, 2013

Used dryer sheets in one of my shop heaters a few years because mice were basically eating the entire wiring harness. A few months later went to use the heater, and it wouldn't work removed the cover, and the mice has used the dryer sheet for bedding, and then ate the wires again.

Coyote machine · Jul 31, 2013

ra5451 said:
Ok I'll check the connection again...Can someone post a "perfect" male connection. I'd like to see the difference. Specifically, is there a prong in the dead center.
I will be doing this probably over the w/e...Thankx for all your help!

Can you determine that by looking at the female end?