Kioti CK20 vs New Holland TC29

sjohnson79 · Jun 9, 2011

Hello!

Have a question as I'm new to buying a tractor.

I recently perchased 5 acres to build a home on. Land is very flat with 12-14 trees (will have more at some point), I plan on having a garden and building a large deck, and a fence around the back half of the property (auger use at some point). And of course a lot of grass to mow.

So...

Here are my options:

Kioti CK20 with loader KL120, 21-22hp, 4X4, hydro, 60" belly mower mm20-60, and a rear PTO tiller for $8500 (not sure if the tiller is in the deal or not but the seller has committed to the load and deck for $8500 but I will offer $8500 with the tiller) CK20 has 420 hours and is 5 years old.

NH TC 29, 4x4, 29hp, hydro ..on eBay.. ending soon! 550 hours, 72" belly mower, loader, priced at $9600 right now but I think it will go for 10,000+

New Holland 7308 TC29 Tractor w front loader & 72"mower - eBay (item 120731428414 end time Jun-09-11 13:19:46 PDT)

Thoughts, opinions, suggestions?

Thank you in advance!

JDGreenGrass · Jun 9, 2011

5 acres points to the Hew Holland.

Best of luck with your purchase.

tcartwri · Jun 9, 2011

Neither.

for 5 acres of lawn, you should be looking at a zero turn mower with at least a 72" deck. My neighbour just bought a used commercial unit, and it is amazing how fast he can cut grass. It kills my 50" lawn tractor.

sjohnson79 · Jun 9, 2011

tcartwri said:
Neither.

for 5 acres of lawn, you should be looking at a zero turn mower with at least a 72" deck. My neighbour just bought a used commercial unit, and it is amazing how fast he can cut grass. It kills my 50" lawn tractor.

Very true but just not in the market for a zero turn, I need the tractor outside of mowing.

JDGreenGrass · Jun 9, 2011

tcartwri said:
Neither.

for 5 acres of lawn, you should be looking at a zero turn mower with at least a 72" deck. My neighbour just bought a used commercial unit, and it is amazing how fast he can cut grass. It kills my 50" lawn tractor.

Sure, if that was his only task.

He is going to be building a house and maintaining that 5 acres.

The man deserves and the tasks require a tractor.:thumbsup:

WM75Guy · Jun 9, 2011

I'm partial to NH. That said you need to look at dealer availability in your area. At some point all machines require parts and service.

BillBeyer · Jun 9, 2011

I have a TC29 and it handles a 6 ft. finish mower with no problems. Never operated Kioti, but several people swear by them. Have had zero problems with TC29 in 3 years. Most of my mowing is done with zero turn.

Loren49 · Jun 9, 2011

The NH is 25% heavier than the Kioti (2500 vs under 2000 lbs) and 29hp compared to 20hp. Depends what you feel you need (or would like)

Loren

V1Rotate · Jun 9, 2011

I have a TC29D with loaded R4 tires, the tractor is great but it will make ruts in your lawn.

Dmace · Jun 9, 2011

Personally, I feel the 29HP NH is too much tractor for your needs and will only be a larger heavier tractor using more fuel doing the same task a much smaller tractor can accomplish. A 20 +/- HP tractor would fit your needs perfect so I would start with tractors in the same class as the CK20 like a Kubota B-series, JD 2300 series, TYM 273, etc...

Of course I'm a little biased towards the Kioti since mine has been outstanding so far at 6 years and 460 hours but I've never mowed with it either.

sjohnson79 · Jun 9, 2011

Thank you for all your responses! Very helpful and everyone had some great points but I think Dmace hit the nail on the head for me and made perfect sense... with that said I did go with the Kioti. I cut the deal earlier today, $8250 for CK60HST 60" deck and loader. I get the tractor Saturday and I'm very excited! Thank you again...

KiotiBob · Jun 10, 2011

sjohnson79 said:
Thank you for all your responses! Very helpful and everyone had some great points but I think Dmace hit the nail on the head for me and made perfect sense... with that said I did go with the Kioti. I cut the deal earlier today, $8250 for CK60HST 60" deck and loader. I get the tractor Saturday and I'm very excited! Thank you again...

Sounds like a good deal, and a good choice. Post some photos, or it isn't really real!

Dmace · Jun 10, 2011

sjohnson79 said:
I cut the deal earlier today, $8250 for CK60HST 60" deck and loader. I get the tractor Saturday and I'm very excited! Thank you again...

Congrats and Welcome to the pack!
I'm looking forward to pics and your first impression!

JDGreenGrass · Jun 10, 2011

sjohnson79 said:
Thank you for all your responses! Very helpful and everyone had some great points but I think Dmace hit the nail on the head for me and made perfect sense... with that said I did go with the Kioti. I cut the deal earlier today, $8250 for CK60HST 60" deck and loader. I get the tractor Saturday and I'm very excited! Thank you again...

Nice little tractor.

Best wishes with it's operation.

sjohnson79 · Jun 12, 2011

Update:

Did not buy the Kioti... had an hydraulic issue. Something in the steering, on a hard turn it would pull on the engine so hard it would kill the engine. Not sure what was wrong with it and in general the 21hp just didn't seem to have enough for a 2200lb tractor

search continues...

JDGreenGrass · Jun 13, 2011

sjohnson79 said:
Update:

Did not buy the Kioti... had an hydraulic issue. Something in the steering, on a hard turn it would pull on the engine so hard it would kill the engine. Not sure what was wrong with it and in general the 21hp just didn't seem to have enough for a 2200lb tractor

search continues...

IMO, with 5 acres....I would be looking at 24 to 35hp tractors.

Best wishes in your continued search.

sjohnson79 · Jun 13, 2011

JDGreenGrass said:
IMO, with 5 acres....I would be looking at 24 to 35hp tractors.

Best wishes in your continued search.

I completely agree. Sent out a few emails to local dealers for 24hp to 35hp. I hope I'm able to find something soon :licking:

ChuckinNH · Jun 14, 2011

sjohnson79 said:
Update:

Did not buy the Kioti... had an hydraulic issue. Something in the steering, on a hard turn it would pull on the engine so hard it would kill the engine. Not sure what was wrong with it and in general the 21hp just didn't seem to have enough for a 2200lb tractor

search continues...

Sorry to hear the deal didn't work out, but you may be happy in the end. The mmm on a Kioti is an afterthought, and Kioti gave up offering them not long after they made them available. For mowing a Kubota B series, sub cut, or JD 2000 series, or the older 4110's, etc. would be much better. Don't get me wrong, the Kioti is one tough animal for digging, pulling, and other tractor chores.

ZR900MAN · Mar 22, 2015

I like the TC29 for 5 acres....but get a good Zero turn for mowing.....maybe a Bad Boy 60 to 72 inch...the zero turn is so much better.....I have a 60" deck for my Deere 2305 that I no longer use as my 48" Zero turn does the work in half the time...not even a great Zero turn either, just a Deere 445 home owner grade unit....might upgrade to a Bad Boy this year

chim · Mar 23, 2015

In my opinion, you're better off having the Kioti deal go south. Everyone has an opinion and it's usually based on justifying their equipment. I'm no different.

Since we built in '89 I've had a few different tractors. The most recent is perfect for our 3-1/2 acres (mostly grass with a bunch of trees, a couple sheds and a creek). It has 32HP, filled R4's, hydro, a loader that is off and on lickety split, and a 6' rear finish mower for summer / blade or blower for winter. Of course there are brush forks, rake etc for tasks.

It mows the 3-1/2 acres in 1-1/4 hours. When the creek floods, I can get mow sooner than I could with the B7500 it replaced. I guess the larger footprint negates the extra weight pretty well. It handles everything I need to do without having to strain.