Junk Kubota Tires

[Giles]

I just went out to do a little loader work with my B2320. FLAT TIRE
Had a small nail this time but the other front tire had lost 5 pounds in three days.
What is the most disturbing is that the max poundage for these "Bicycle Quality Tires" is 22#. Written in the sidewall--it warns not to inflate above Max poundage for fear of explosion
Now I have to worry about how much pressure is inside the tire with a max load of wet dirt
I will definately change the tires to a higher quality:thumbsup:
I don't want Carlisle tires even if they are free

 

[Green Acres Homestead]

Ya I am with you. I am sick of spending good money and getting junk. I had a set of Titan tires and less then a year they were cracked. Instead of getting new tires I got lip service. Mad.

 

[TimP]

Seems like many have had problems with the Carlisle and the Titans. I wonder if the Titan are made by Carlisle ?

I have a B2150 and need new tires. I have Bridgestone on the Front and Firestone in the rear and have been happy wiht them. Never had a flat or even a leak.

But they Bridgestones are extremely hard to find. I learned they do stil make them, but are pretty much in Europe. The Firestones are still being made, but most local Kubota dealers don't seem to want to sell them to me.

They have been offering Carlisle or Goodyear Turfs for the Front and Carlisle or Titan Turfs fro the back.

I had planned to go ahead and get the Goodyear front and Titan for the rear, but after reading gthese posts, I am getting scared.

I found a tire dealer about 50 miles awya who has BOTH the oem Bridgestone and Firestones but I have to take the Old tires and rims to him to mount. For me, that is no easy task.

 

[BeezFun]

I have a B2150 and need new tires. I have Bridgestone on the Front and Firestone in the rear and have been happy wiht them. Never had a flat or even a leak.

I replaced my junk Carlisles a few years ago, had them put in tubes when I did that. No more slow leaks. Can't remember what brand they are, went to an industrial truck place down the street.

 

[Lefty7]

Thanks for this topic, its discussion, and info in this thread - although it's too bad that it comes at the expense of Giles and others. This kind of stuff fries me.

Over the years, I've had constant nagging problems with tires going down on everything from little suburban mower tractors and rototillers to log splitters and wheelbarrows. In every case I can think of when it was a rim leak, (and not a bad valve stem or a puncture), they were Carlisles w/turf tread or simple line tread. Some were broken down and remounted w/a bead sealer, after which they often (but not always) held their air, at least for a while. Ended up tubing many of them, which holds good - until you puncture one, then its a whole breakdown - but I was doing a lot of that anyway. It's a pain to have to deal with the air issue every blessed time you go to do some work.

Thanks for this reminder about the Carlisle brand. Planning my 'bota purchase, and I will definitely be sure to negotiate away from, or steer around them. Moot point for me, I guess, as I'm going with R1 ags, so we'll see what the dealer offers.

If I understood correctly, it doesn't sound like there's much choice as to R1 makers - but they're NOT Carlisle.

 

[nspec]

Mad...mad

 

[B2400]

Replaced my Carlisle "Turf Chief's" with the Multi-trac C/S in 6 ply on my B2400. Haven't had a flat tire in 6 years and they don't "squat" as bad when using FEL.

 

[Racer11]

IMHO all carlisle tires are crap,,, I had a enclosed two axle car hauler shod with carlisle tires. I experienced all 4 tires blowing out one at a time before I completed a 300 mile trip. The carlisle's on my B2400 are not any better either, all they are good for is mowing the yard, I have a different set for winter traction and hauling wood out of the timber.

 

[Ken]

Well I believe you in spades...

I have a B2920 with Carlisle brand turf tires and the left front is always leaking down. I also belong to the forum rv.net and I can tell you there that Carlisle tires have the reputation as being the worst tires that you can have on a RV, and there are many threads there that back it up.

Larry

A agree the Carlisle tires for R.V. do quit quickly bought a new /used camper 5th whl. at 300 miles the 1st blew took part of fender with it. put on spare. at 1 thousand of same trip another tire blew. Found out Carslile only will warrenty to first owner so dealer has warrenty not you.
Went to tires for less and purchase 5 tires. and had the installer cut large plug out of removed tires so would never be used again.
Expensive yes but never had a problem again with camper in 2010 sold to another man and purchased a camper new and would not look at a trailer with Carlisle tires.
ken

 

[raptor749]

Here is another thought , maintance guys always having flats on front of there tractors , my boss had them foam filled by local tire dealer , ONLY thing is when the tires are worn out you have to cut them off the rims . I'm thinking of the same thing for my front R4's ..:thumbsup:

 

[tiredguy]

IMHO all carlisle tires are crap,,, I had a enclosed two axle car hauler shod with carlisle tires. I experienced all 4 tires blowing out one at a time before I completed a 300 mile trip. The carlisle's on my B2400 are not any better either, all they are good for is mowing the yard, I have a different set for winter traction and hauling wood out of the timber.

I've read this thread when it first started and after this simply can't refrain from putting in my 2 cents worth and some hard to believe facts for some of you.

First off I'm speaking from 40 years experience in the tire business and have pretty much seen it all. I happen to also be a Carlisle distributor for one very important reason: They are hands down the very best quality brand on the market bar none in both radial recreational trailer tires and lawn and garden.
Their recent increase in sizes and types of AG type tires are all made here in the USA and much of what they had built in China has been brought back home here too, and being built in their new TN plant.

The number one problem with trailer tire failures is caused by the person that owns the trailer. Prime example is one customer that twice now after explaining to him ( he's a deputy sheriff no less ) that he's the type of driver I pray gets pulled over and a safety inspection performed where he gets a fist full of tickets along with having his trailer towed off the road by someone else. You can't leave them sitting around unused for months and in many cases years at a time without first and foremost checking and inflating the tires before traveling. If it has sat nearly flat for a year or so out in the elements just how would you expect it to hold up? Air carries the load and air pressure that's adequate to the ply rating for that load has to be there pure and simple. Keep them aired up properly and when stored for long periods of time block them up to take the weight off and put something/anything over them to block out the sunlight when outdoors. You'll save $$ no matter what brand you have along with being safer and less problems.
Don't do what the cop I was telling you about-hook onto the trailer that's been sitting in the backyard for 2 years on the truck you haven't moved in 6 months and get going 75mph on the freeway as fast as you can never mind that the tires were half flat last year when you happened to see them while mowing the yard around it last summer..DUH!

Now let's address the front turf tires that are always going flat. My thoughts would be more to indicate that the rim is undersized or the flange etc out of specification if everyone is having the same problem. You just can't no matter what manufacture make that many bad tires for that long of a period of time and not know or figure out if you have a problem. I noticed one who said he replaced his Trac Cheifs with Multi Trac C/S's: Good move buddy you went from the cheapest tire they make for original equipment to the heavy duty Commercial Service tire they build. All compact tractors usually don't have enough tire if it's equipped with a front end loader especially.
Take the issue up with the dealer that sold it to you as soon as you discover the problem. It's their responsability to handle warranty especially when something on the tractor doesn't work. If it's a legitimate tire problem like a separation in the tire not caused by abuse ( impact break is the number one compact tractor tire killer bar none mostly due to the tire being overinflated because the owner thinks it "squats" to much which eliminates the tires ability to flex and absorb/deflect something and instead explodes when something is hit like a baloon popping by a pin )
Rim bead leaks are usually not the fault of the tire unless it's obviously defective. If it's new and they leak let the dealer pay for and install tubes and they can worry about getting the mfg to repay them. That's dealer service they signed up for when they sold you the tractor pure and simple.If they won't make it right make them take it back!!!

Bottom line is: "the best is none to good" when it comes to todays modern compact tractor tires with attachments. The hydralics are so good today it's easy to overload the tires especially when taking into account going up over something or hitting a big bump that shifts the load to the side. When a tractor leans just so far it's shifting the weight enough to overload that side.

It's all about common sense operation just like checking the oil before you take it out and work it, or greasing up and implement to keep the bearings from going to ****. Pay now or pay dearly later it's always your choice on how it all goes when it comes to preventative measures to insure a safe long lasting stretch of your hard earned dollars.
Tired

 

[Artisan]

Next time you get tires, watch the process. You will be VERY hard pressed to see the tech so much as look at both the "seat" areas of the rim, let alone give it a good wipe w/ a damp rag. It SLAYS me that people let this go by. Chipped paint and powdercoat, dirt & rocks, and the same on the "seat" areas of the tires. It NEVER gets reviewed and wiped down first. Debris can be in the seated area, it makes areas prone to leakage IMO.

Tires used to last longer though. IMO the manufacturers have come to the realization that making them last longer only benefits the customer, if they make them as crappy as they can, YOU BUY MORE TIRES!


It is the same w/ water heaters. They used to last 20-30 years, the junk at the big box stores all die at 5 years max anymore, and 25% of them start dieing at 2. If you have one lasting longer count your blessings, it is only because the stars are aligned! Yea, RIGHT! Been there, done this, seen it ,I know this for fact. So much so I REFUSE to install a home center heater. I would rather make zero then have you call me in 2 years and complain, even though YOU bought the pile of junk. I get calls almost weekly, :yea my water heater is broke and I called the company and there sending me parts, we need you to come and fix it" LOL :laughing: Not on your life pal, so now I warrant the junkpile? You bought a pile, go buy another pile or hire a legit contractor to do it right. EVEN THEN the heaters we install are ONLY the lesser of all the evils! Be Forewarned.

 

[Green Acres Homestead]

I hate buying stuff finding out it is junk. I like to pay the price and get a quality product like Honda and kubota. Evan Kubota goes and put junk tires on. Everybody got try to screw you. . As for a water cooler I bought a igloo which broke in a week. I called to the company and they said they directed me to the company that made them. I said it was sold under your name. They refused to help sent me to the company who made it. Mad other company send me back. Then I demanded the part. Send me the wrong part. There got to be a recourse for selling junk if not I got a bunch of stuff I could sell and it doesn't have to work.

Igloo.... Asses. Forums are great to warn people. Guess it is the only recourse consumers have.

As for kubota tires somebody has to be liable. Things have to last a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Ken]

I've read this thread when it first started and after this simply can't refrain from putting in my 2 cents worth and some hard to believe facts for some of you.

First off I'm speaking from 40 years experience in the tire business and have pretty much seen it all. I happen to also be a Carlisle distributor for one very important reason: They are hands down the very best quality brand on the market bar none in both radial recreational trailer tires and lawn and garden.
Their recent increase in sizes and types of AG type tires are all made here in the USA and much of what they had built in China has been brought back home here too, and being built in their new TN plant.

The number one problem with trailer tire failures is caused by the person that owns the trailer. Prime example is one customer that twice now after explaining to him ( he's a deputy sheriff no less ) that he's the type of driver I pray gets pulled over and a safety inspection performed where he gets a fist full of tickets along with having his trailer towed off the road by someone else. You can't leave them sitting around unused for months and in many cases years at a time without first and foremost checking and inflating the tires before traveling. If it has sat nearly flat for a year or so out in the elements just how would you expect it to hold up? Air carries the load and air pressure that's adequate to the ply rating for that load has to be there pure and simple. Keep them aired up properly and when stored for long periods of time block them up to take the weight off and put something/anything over them to block out the sunlight when outdoors. You'll save $$ no matter what brand you have along with being safer and less problems.
Don't do what the cop I was telling you about-hook onto the trailer that's been sitting in the backyard for 2 years on the truck you haven't moved in 6 months and get going 75mph on the freeway as fast as you can never mind that the tires were half flat last year when you happened to see them while mowing the yard around it last summer..DUH!

Now let's address the front turf tires that are always going flat. My thoughts would be more to indicate that the rim is undersized or the flange etc out of specification if everyone is having the same problem. You just can't no matter what manufacture make that many bad tires for that long of a period of time and not know or figure out if you have a problem. I noticed one who said he replaced his Trac Cheifs with Multi Trac C/S's: Good move buddy you went from the cheapest tire they make for original equipment to the heavy duty Commercial Service tire they build. All compact tractors usually don't have enough tire if it's equipped with a front end loader especially.
Take the issue up with the dealer that sold it to you as soon as you discover the problem. It's their responsability to handle warranty especially when something on the tractor doesn't work. If it's a legitimate tire problem like a separation in the tire not caused by abuse ( impact break is the number one compact tractor tire killer bar none mostly due to the tire being overinflated because the owner thinks it "squats" to much which eliminates the tires ability to flex and absorb/deflect something and instead explodes when something is hit like a baloon popping by a pin )
Rim bead leaks are usually not the fault of the tire unless it's obviously defective. If it's new and they leak let the dealer pay for and install tubes and they can worry about getting the mfg to repay them. That's dealer service they signed up for when they sold you the tractor pure and simple.If they won't make it right make them take it back!!!

Bottom line is: "the best is none to good" when it comes to todays modern compact tractor tires with attachments. The hydralics are so good today it's easy to overload the tires especially when taking into account going up over something or hitting a big bump that shifts the load to the side. When a tractor leans just so far it's shifting the weight enough to overload that side.

It's all about common sense operation just like checking the oil before you take it out and work it, or greasing up and implement to keep the bearings from going to ****. Pay now or pay dearly later it's always your choice on how it all goes when it comes to preventative measures to insure a safe long lasting stretch of your hard earned dollars.
Tired

Tired guy where were you when I tried to get warrenty on new tires and 300 miles on highway and one blows, pressure had been checked . tire was not that old just side wall was not attached to tread. When getting tire replacment the Tires for Less man showed me the all the tires including the new spare was about to fail bubbles in side wall. Replaced all the tires. never had another problem with tires.
Go to the tire posts on R.V.sites almost always Carlile tire blowing and putting end of the trip.
You mentioned Carlile is the best of tires. for what use.
Stop at a truck stop and walk around the trucks and trailers. Where is the best of the tires no Carlile. Very seldom
Had one r.v. dealer explain the method of getting out of warrenty. The original tire is not built for long term use only designed to get from the builder of r.v. to dealer site. then he is supossed to install replacement tire. designed for loaded highway use.
it just caused me to put this dealer on my never again visit as well the Carlile tire list. No Way will I purchase any vehicle or trailer or tractor with Carlile tires. If the seller doesn't want to put decent tires on what I'm looking at he has lost the sale.
ken

 

[Green Acres Homestead]

I hate buying stuff finding out it is junk. I like to pay the price and get a quality product like Honda and kubota. Evan Kubota goes and put junk tires on. Everybody got try to screw you. . As for a water cooler I bought a igloo which broke in a week. I called to the company and they said they directed me to the company that made them. I said it was sold under your name. They refused to help sent me to the company who made it. Mad other company send me back. Then I demanded the part. Send me the wrong part. There got to be a recourse for selling junk if not I got a bunch of stuff I could sell and it doesn't have to work.

Igloo.... Asses. Forums are great to warn people. Guess it is the only recourse consumers have.

As for kubota tires somebody has to be liable. Things have to last a reasonable amount of time.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

We stock hundreses of tractors, from dozens of companies representing every tire company. I'm not sure I can tell you the last time I saw a flat on a newer piece of equipment.

 

[Green Acres Homestead]

If any manufacturer reads this please not in summary consumers are getting gd sick of being taken and all the excuses do not work anymore because the people are well informed.

 

[Ted Summey]

I have experience with three boat trailers, two campers, a single axle utility trailer and an 18' utility trailer (that's 22 tires not including spares). All have had Carlisle tires on them at some point. On the boat trailers I believe the manufacturers installed tires that did not have the proper load rating. It wasn't until I went through 6 tires on my first tandem axle boat trailer that I determined I needed a higher load rating. Once the load rating was increased I had no more tread separations and blowouts. Similar experiences on the utility trailer and campers. I moved up in size and load rating ABOVE what came on the original equipment. This solved my problems. I would have switched to a different trailer tire manufacturer but no one around here sells anything else.

I am meticulous about tire pressures and maintain them but I still had multiple failures until I moved up in load rating.

It is MY EXPERIENCE that either manufacturers choose Carlisle tires that are below the proper load rating OR Carlisle tires don't meet the load rating as printed on the side of the tire. I tend to think it is the tires don't meet the load rating as printed on the tire. This is simply my opinion based on my experiences with trailer tires over 26 years.

I've owned my MX5100 for 4 months with Titan Ag tires on the rear and Goodyear Ag tires on the front without incident yet - let's hope I haven't jinxed myself.

 

[ultrarunner]

Tiredguy... thanks for sharing your insight...

I grew up around the auto business and own several trailers and fair number of antique cars.

I must be really blessed because I have yet to have a tire problem with anything other than new tires...

Some of the tires on my cars are sets that I bought new in the early 70's from Sears and Montgomery Wards and Firestone... they don't even go down when sitting for 12 months...

All the antique and older trailers have tubes... and the trailers have nylon 6-ply or better...

Seems reliable tires were not hard to come by or expensive back in the day... my Wards Model a tires cost less then $50 for set including tax... Riverside and made in USA...

For my modern trucks and vehicles... I have only bought Michelin... never a problem either.

My Grandfather's 1950 farm tractor has Semperit tires that he bought in 1960 and the tractor was used daily well into the early 80's

 

[sw03]

We stock hundreses of tractors, from dozens of companies representing every tire company. I'm not sure I can tell you the last time I saw a flat on a newer piece of equipment.

I will say the tires on my bx24 are the worst! I had an old bx22, never issues in this area. This BX24, both front had flats and one rear...and this is no using in woods! Also had the valve seams (rears)...just break off! WTF...Kubota Kaizen is lacking bigtime!!!!