Comparison John Deere 2305 verse 3720

[ZettaDeere]

Hi I'm a newbie here. I've got a JD 425 AWS now but I'm looking to upgrade to something with a FEL and backhoe. For the longest time I was convinced that the model of tractor I wanted was the JD 3720. But just recently I found a JD 2305 that was close by so I went to see it. The owner is a mechanic who works at a local JD dealer and this thing looks brand new with less than 100 hours. Its got a 200CX FEL, a 260 back hoe, 54" mower and some specail hydraulics to allow the mower and FEL to work with just the flip of a valve. He is asking about $15K and is offering a dual stage snow blower for another $2,800.

He is my issue - I'm concerned that the 24HP that the 2305 won't be enough power. I need to dig out a few stumps, cut sod out for patio and side walk, and dig out for footings on a home remodel I'm undertaking. I will also use it to bust up an old driveway, help with tree cutting related chores and snowblowing.

Whatever tractor I buy, I'll be trailering the thing often (nothing longer than 45min though).

Does anyone have experience with the 2305? I like the compactness of it for getting into tight places, but in the end, the 3720 has almost double the HP. For an extra $10 to $12K maybe its worth it to buy a 3720? I have never operated an FEL or back hoe so I don't any experience in regards to HP verse capabilities.

Thoughts?

Thanks

 

[AKfish]

ZettaDeere; Welcome to TBN. There is a considerable difference between the 2 tractor's. Both in frame size, weight and hydraulic capability - ability to do work - as well as the different implements and attachments that are available for each machine.

If possible, you might invest some time looking each machine over and getting a feel for the respective differences.

Hopefully, you will have an opportunity to find one or both models on the lot of a dealership close to home.

AKfish

 

[pdp11]

Often the difference isn't wether or not you can do a certain task, but how long it will take to do it. If you have a heavier machine with more HP and faster hydraulics, then you will get all of those tasks done faster.

You mentioned some specific one-time tasks that you wish to perform. Honestly, you could rent a machine to accomplish those. The real question is what will the tractor spend most of its time doing?

For me, mowing 3.5 acres, grading a gravel drive and road, spraying, and moving material with the FEL are the most common tasks, with the mowing taking up most of the operating hours.

 

[Gator6x4]

I have a 2305. I would not plan on doing some of the tasks you have listed. Small stumps, less than six (6) inches yes, larger and you may be able to remove after spending considerable time digging and then use something else to extract the stump from the hole.

It is easy to maneuver. It is great for when the wife says I want a hole here for this bush. Mows good and the front end loader is strong for a small tractor.

If this was going to be my only tractor, used for everything, mowing, backhoe and front end loader I think I would climb the ant hill a little farther. The 3720 is a large tractor. You may look at units between the 2305 and 3720 and ask yourself will this do what I want to do.

 

[ZettaDeere]

Thanks for the repy everyone. I took Gator6X4's advice and went to the dealership today and took a look at the 2000 series. I really like the size of the 2720. At 31HP I think it might be worth it.

The one thing that I found was disappointing though was that the 2720 can not have the back hoe sub-frame on it with the mower deck. So converting between mowing and using the model 46 back hoe seems like it would be a big hassle. Has anyone found a work around?

Again, thanks very much for the help.

 

[JiminGa]

you won't want to mow with the hoe on anyway, and really it's not that big of a job to change, maybe 10 minutes once you get the hang of it. the 2720 is a pretty nice rig, but the 2520 has the same hydraulics with just a few less engine hp, which unless you have hilly property or intend on heavy pto work you won't miss.
good luck in your decision. fwiw, the 2305 will do the tasks you describe, just slower than the bigger machines. I have a Kubota bx25 (comparable to the 2305) and have removed 12 inch stumps with it, slow going, but it got it done. It also dug the 18" deep footings for my shop, and like someone else said has dug a few holes when the wife wanted a bush planted.

 

[Victory Pete]

Hi
I had a 2305 for 4 years, it is a great tractor. 2 months ago I traded it in for a 2320. It is the perfect tractor for me. The 2305 didnt have enough clearance for my liking, I got stuck plowing in snow alot, also stumps and sticks get caught underneath. The 2320 is so much better, ample clearance now. I like the 3 point hitch lever better, it stays where you set the lever. The 2305 was either up or down and you had to stop it where you want it, very inaccurate. Good luck with your purchase.

VP

 

[C-Range]

Wow, I've been around a while and I've never seen anyone trying to decide between a 2305 and a 3720! Thats sort of like comparing a Subaru Baja to an F350!

Since Deere offers an amazing number of graduations (at least 7) between those two tractors, I'd recommend going to their website and configuring some tractors with your desired attachments. See how the cost boils down. That might help. Jumping from the 2000 series to the 3000 series can be a huge cost difference depending on the options.

I've owned the 2305/260 and judging by your work tasks, I'd recommend passing on the 2305, especially for his retail range pricing. You might be satisfied with a 2520 or 2720.

Of course, if the price of the 3720 doesn't flinch your pulse rate, you won't likely regret your purchase of one.

 

[Martian]

I see your considering a 2720 now and not to just advertise for myself but I have a 3120 I am looking to sell. No BH or MMM but has the mid PTO and power beyond so you can just get them. I am willing to make a deal on it though great machine and you have a larger frame size.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/private-party-ads/226966-john-deere-3120-only-154-a.html

Either way could you be a little more clear on you purposes? I think you want something to mow and something to do work. I think you would do better with a 3x20 series and a ZTR and then you have the best of both worlds. When I was looking I could have got a 2520 or 2720 (can't remember which model exactly) with a BH for less than I could have got my 3120 but the larger frame size gave me more loader strength and an overall bigger and stronger tractor.

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

Only you can decide what frame size is best for your needs. Keep in mind implements for 3x20 will be more expensive.

Once into a 3x20 the additional HP of a 3720 will be mostly wasted unless major PTO work is contemplated. As for ground engaging - will probably run out of traction before HP, so whether buying new or used evaluate the $$$ difference compared to HP and see if the extra $$$ are justifiable.

With 3x20 the BH and MMM and FEL can all be mounted at the same time. Especially with Turf Tires it is entirely debatable and depends on the quality of your lawn.as to whether mowing with the BH attached works or not. It's not that difficult to remove the BH or FEL for mowing.

The 3x20 gives you a choice of two BH sizes - 375 & 485. Both are more powerful than the 2xxx BH. In addition to actually digging deeper (7.5' or 8.5') the reach of the BH is longer which provides several advantages, not the least of which is not having to move the tractor as often.

As for MTM's 3120 he has the mid PTO and Power Beyond. The PTO especially, is expensive as a dealer add on. With that tractor you would need the 3rd Rear SCV for use of MMM. On a 3x20 the preferred FEL would be the 300CX.

If not in a rush used 447 / 375 /448 / 485 BH's come on the market from time to time, in fact there is one in Private Party ads for $3,500 plus cost of mounting brackets. Woods and & Wallenstein also make aftermarket BH's to fit the 3x20 series.